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U.S LCD market sucks!

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Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
How about the quality? Koreans are known to be the pickest consumers in the world when it comes down to electronics and if there's a problem, it's out of the market because the competition is too tight.

Kind of curious why you didn't list something that had quality instead of features if this was an honest point? No LED backlight? I guess if you are in to low quality junk with a lot of checkboxes that monitor is probably pretty good, it may even be better then some of the horrid crap TN panels out there, but seriously- an FM tuner on a monitor as a feature.... Let me know when it comes with an 8 track player 😉

By mentioning quality, I was talking about issues such backlight bleeding, dead pixel, banding, color shift, ...etc. In other world, I was talking about QC of the company.
The one with LED backlight is too expensive for me at this point. And, if money was no concern, I wouldn't bother with the narrow market we have here in North America in the first place as I would have picked up Eizo monitors already.
The problem is that it's impossible to find a monitor that's decent with features. The choices I have is too narrow.
There're far more choices in Korea and if you don't like all those features on this monitor, you can easily find stepped down version of it that costs less.

BTW, it's got a HDTV tuner not a FM tuner.
 
Originally posted by: Martimus
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: Serradifalco
Ok let me explain myself. First of all, I meant people are displaying racism against Asians. My wife is Asian. Secondly, this has become a non-technical discussion. You can't blame me for asking the Mod to lock this.
I'll allow it as long as the thread continues to have something to do with technology, but we will be watching with our finest electron microscope.😉

I would hope you would. The comments asking to lock the thread sound bigotted to me, and it actually offends me that someone would be so brash as to ask to close such a thread, and I rarely get offended (I can't remember the last time I did.) So people in Korea are more likely to understand the differences between LCD monitors than people here because they produce most of them there. So what, the same goes for people here in Detroit, who generally know more about cars than the people elsewhere, because most of us have worked for the automotive industry or have close ties with people who do. It is simple and logical, and I see no reason someone would attack the original poster for showing this obvious observation. Please stop attacking this person, or I am sure the mods will be forced to make you.

I am interested in this situation, and I could see a business opportunity by importing quality LCD's from Korea and reselling them here since the quality LCD market is so light here. If I can see that opportunity, someone else might who is more likely to act on it and maybe the US consumer will have a new option to buy quality LCD monitors.

I, too, see the business opportunity and that's why I'm wondering how nobody's trying to take the empty spot. When I searched for an IPS display, my best choice ended up being DoubleSight DS-263N model as it was the only IPS in that price range . It's currently out of stock due to the high demand and I see many people waiting for this monitor. I just found out DoubleSight is a one of those 3rd party Korean companies that recently entered U.S market under a different name.
And, guess what? It's being sold $300 less in Korea and not so popular because there're are many other IPS LCDs with better price/features.

 
Originally posted by: BassBomb
Just get a NEC 2690 and call it a day. Or wait until more DS 26N's show up in Canada

NEC 2690 is too expensive for me to handle. I was waiting for DS-263N until this "As of right now, our supplier does not list the DS-263N any longer. They don?t normally discontinue a product from their pricing files unless it is gone.. if it is a high-demand, out of stock product, that?s what it will say. An example would be the Intel Q9450 CPU."

Even worse, I found out DS-263N is being sold in Korea $300 less.

With the price I pay for DS-263N in U.S, I can get this[/L], or this in Korea.



 
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
I, too, see the business opportunity and that's why I'm wondering how nobody's trying to take the empty spot. When I searched for an IPS display, my best choice ended up being DoubleSight DS-263N model as it was the only IPS in that price range . It's currently out of stock due to the high demand and I see many people waiting for this monitor. I just found out DoubleSight is a one of those 3rd party Korean companies that recently entered U.S market under a different name.
And, guess what? It's being sold $300 less in Korea and not so popular because there're are many other IPS LCDs with better price/features.

I would love to see a 20" IPS monitor between $300-$400 (I do know of one, but it is a lottery), because that is what I would like to get. Until that time, I will hold on to my 10 year old CRT (Mag 800V).
 
I'm still waiting for my DS-264N :

Visited quite a few places in Asia and my god would I love to bring back some of their electronics. Too bad there was no time to really look into what's what (pretty much stayed one day/city) - argh!
 
Well if you go to seoul, theres one suburb (yong san) thats completely dedicated to computer/IT technology. Every street corner there is a shop selling PC parts, cables, software, and other gadgets. If you go into buildings, each floor is dedicated to one technology, e.g floor1 - all the mp3s, digital cams, ultra mobile devices, floor2 - all the GPs systems you can get your hands on, floor3 - PC parts, pc parts, pc parts and so on.

But i do have to say that theres alot of counterfeiting in korea. Hell i even saw "Gladiator 2" selling in one of the streets. (The DVD cover was a rip from LOTR:ROTC, and a photochopped helmet on Aragorn's head!)

Anyway, im not least bit surprised about LCD choices in korea compared to the US and also the price of those panels. Samsung and LG are both located in Korea (well their HQs anyway), and they have their own fabs to manufacture these panels (and often out sourcing them if they cant meet the demand). Theres not much importing of LCD panels involved in korea (obviously since LCD panels are manufacturered there) so you see LCD panels being charged a whole lot more than overseas where they have to import it, buy it off wholesalers and such and then price it accordingly depending on the kind of margins you want to offset all the cost in getting those products from overseas.

edit - fixed.
 
Originally posted by: craftech
Do they have Republicans in Korea?

No? That explains it. 😉

John

Haha. Touche.

Anyway, I would be all for getting an influx of high-end monitors into the US; however, as I mentioned before Koreans are somewhat materialistic (maybe a better way to put it would be savvy) and the majority of people in the US aren't tech savvy, give them a 24" TN and they'll be super happy/oblivious to better choices.

I'm trying to intern with LG in the future... I'll put in a word for them to market high quality monitors stateside 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Well if you go to seoul, theres one suburb (yong san) thats completely dedicated to computer/IT technology. Every street corner there is a shop selling PC parts, cables, software, and other gadgets. If you go into buildings, each floor is dedicated to one technology, e.g floor1 - all the mp3s, digital cams, ultra mobile devices, floor2 - all the GPs systems you can get your hands on, floor3 - PC parts, pc parts, pc parts and so on.

But i do have to say that theres alot of counterfeiting in korea. Hell i even saw "Gladiator 2" selling in one of the streets. (The DVD cover was a rip from LOTR:ROTC, and a photochopped helmet on Aragorn's head!)

Anyway, im not least bit surprised about LCD choices in korea compared to the US and also the price of those panels. Samsung and LG are both located in Korea (well their HQs anyway), and they have their own fabs to manufacture these panels (and often out sourcing them if they cant meet the demand). Theres no exporting involved inkorea (obviously) so you see LCD panels being charged a whole lot more than overseas where they have to export it, buy it off wholesalers and such and then price it accordingly depending on the kind of margins you want to offset all the cost in getting those products from overseas.

What do you mean there's no exporting involved in Korea?? Busan has one of (if not the) largest ports in the world.
 
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: Serradifalco
Where is the Moderator? This thread should be locked. Not only is it uninformative but it also racist and condescending. This type of discussion had no place in these forums. Enough said!

Originally posted by: taltamir
The term would be ethnicist or bigot. last I checked "korea" wasn't a race.
And "LCDs are cheap in korea" was not a bigoted remark.

i bet you the OP is korean and not a single person calling him racist is.

And it isn't any less informative then most threads around here.


Yup, I am Korean who lived in U.S and now living in Canada.
Thank for saying what I wanted to say. I have no clue why he thinks of me as racist and my thread is uninformative.
I compared the market, gave out examples. I let people know that there should be more choices than we currently do.
How's that uninformative?

That's alright, half the time I mention something about my Jewish family I am called a racist/antisemitic by someone with an AX to grind.

Speaking of different markets... Here in the US I can return ANYTHING I want to the store... I once found out microcenter gives you trouble with returns and I don't buy there at all.

Back in israel there are "No returns, ever, under any circumstances whatsoever".

You bought it and it came broken in the box? your problem!
You bought it and all the color washed out on first wash? your problem!
You bought it and it does not work as advertised? your problem!

The very notion of a return in unthinkable there (well it is thinkable, and people try, and they are laughed out of the store). Which came as a bit of an oddity to me while I last visited (haven't been there for 8 years) because of how CAUTIOUS my family members were about buying ANYTHING.


I have had an idea... how about look at the korean ebay site for an ebay STORE selling those who is willing to ship to America? Cross national shipping is REALLY not all that big of a deal..

For example, I got a new battery for my cellphone from china, 99cents and 5$ shipping, a new screen, same price, a second new screen cause i broke it again, a car charger for 1.99$ and 7$ shipping, and a nice gold neclace with a gold ring and a silver ring (most likely fake, but who cares) for 1.99$ and 4$ shipping.

Actually all those things are from the US ebay site from ebay stores that are registered in the US, but ship their stock directly from china in regular mail. I get it in an envelope or a box through USPS
 
Choices in the US are limited but it's not the end of the world. It can't be that hard to put down $1200 on a monitor that you really, really want. Chances are you won't have to buy another one for awhile.

Until then we can simply wait for newer technology which is bound to arrive here in a couple years or so. I am sure there will be a market in the US for good OLEDs and SEDs if and when they become economically viable.
 
Surely.. it sounds WAY more impressive to average joe. So they sell higher end (read, much more expensive) units with those. Remember when everything had to be named TFT?
 
Originally posted by: Serradifalco
Where is the Moderator? This thread should be locked. Not only is it uninformative but it also racist and condescending. This type of discussion had no place in these forums. Enough said!

acknowledgement to our own weakness is the only way to learn and better ourselves.

you, who retaliate senselessly when confronted with your weakness, is the reason why our economy is going downhill today.

 
Originally posted by: Deadtrees Koreans are known to be the pickest consumers in the world

umm... I think Japense are even more picky and their product are kept at even high quality... but their price is just stupidly high.

Korean products are certainly higher quality, but the price is higher when compared to other asian countries such as : taiwan, thailand, china..

 
So I'm heading to Korea on Sunday. Which areas should I check out in Seoul for computer parts? I'd *love* to snag a cheap 24" IPS while I'm there. Also, I have a more pressing need for a nice power supply.
 
Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
Originally posted by: Serradifalco
Where is the Moderator? This thread should be locked. Not only is it uninformative but it also racist and condescending. This type of discussion had no place in these forums. Enough said!

acknowledgement to our own weakness is the only way to learn and better ourselves.

you, who retaliate senselessly when confronted with your weakness, is the reason why our economy is going downhill today.

I think he meant that it is biggoted towards Koreans...
[sarcasm]It is a well known fact that biggotry cannot be applied to whites and or americans.[/sarcasm]

PS... when I said I bet the OP is korean that was my deductive reasoning at play. I surmised that he could read those links he posted, which were in korean, because he was probably one. 🙂

Back on topic.
Is self importing legal?
OP: do you have family still in korea who can buy one and send it to you?
Anyone knows if he can expect taxes for doing so?

(I know canada is an absolute pain when it comes to border control and taxing).
I helped my mother buy, update firmware, and load up with songs a Cowon iAudio 7. And then we sent it to her sister back in israel. A gift for her to listen to music while in Chemo... She had to pay 9$ in fees before being allowed to receive it. (which is not too bad considering it cost 130$).
 
Originally posted by: xtknight
Choices in the US are limited but it's not the end of the world. It can't be that hard to put down $1200 on a monitor that you really, really want. Chances are you won't have to buy another one for awhile.

Until then we can simply wait for newer technology which is bound to arrive here in a couple years or so. I am sure there will be a market in the US for good OLEDs and SEDs if and when they become economically viable.

Suck to be me but it really is hard to put down $1200 on a monitor that I really, really want.



Originally posted by: gamephile
So I'm heading to Korea on Sunday. Which areas should I check out in Seoul for computer parts? I'd *love* to snag a cheap 24" IPS while I'm there. Also, I have a more pressing need for a nice power supply.

Make sure you inform yourself from a search site like www.danawa.com. Those guys at Yong-San and Technomart are well known for ripping off customers.
The best way to shop is
1. Look around to see monitors in your eyes.
2. Shop directly from registered stores in www.danawa.com.
Ask for "Quick Service" which is a bike delivery service. In Seoul, they'll be in your place less than 2 hours top.
(When I ordered a digital camera, it arrived in 20 min.)

BTW, do you know any Koreans who can help you out with that?
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Originally posted by: taltamir
Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
Originally posted by: Serradifalco
Where is the Moderator? This thread should be locked. Not only is it uninformative but it also racist and condescending. This type of discussion had no place in these forums. Enough said!

acknowledgement to our own weakness is the only way to learn and better ourselves.

you, who retaliate senselessly when confronted with your weakness, is the reason why our economy is going downhill today.

I think he meant that it is biggoted towards Koreans...
[sarcasm]It is a well known fact that biggotry cannot be applied to whites and or americans.[/sarcasm]

PS... when I said I bet the OP is korean that was my deductive reasoning at play. I surmised that he could read those links he posted, which were in korean, because he was probably one. 🙂

Back on topic.
Is self importing legal?
OP: do you have family still in korea who can buy one and send it to you?
Anyone knows if he can expect taxes for doing so?

(I know canada is an absolute pain when it comes to border control and taxing).
I helped my mother buy, update firmware, and load up with songs a Cowon iAudio 7. And then we sent it to her sister back in israel. A gift for her to listen to music while in Chemo... She had to pay 9$ in fees before being allowed to receive it. (which is not too bad considering it cost 130$).


From what I've heard, U.S doesn't charge import tax on computers from Korea. I haven't checked how it is in Canada but I assume Canada probably charges tons of import tax. Well, I just briefly checked and Canada doesn't seem to charge import tax on LCD (http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/tra...-99/tblmod-1-eng.html)

As for importing stuffs from Korea, there's are companies that handle the purchase/shpping matters. The service fee is around 10% of the product. I don't know how it really works and I haven't used one.
I think I'm going to look into it as I have no options here in North America.


 
20 minutes on a bike?
DAMN!
here when I order something it takes 24 - 48 hours before it even leaves the warehouse... then it costs over 50$ to get it the day after it leaves the warehouse (assuming you live close enough), and still a decent bunch for 2nd and 3rd day... although if you shop around you CAN find places with decent 2nd and 3rd day shipping under 10$ for shipping.

10% is not bad at all. If you can find something half price there, then instead of paying 1200$ for such a thing here... you pay 660$... 600$ is what the product costs there, and 60$ for packaging and shipping international. It is really VERY cheap if you think about it.
 
Originally posted by: taltamir
20 minutes on a bike?
DAMN!
here when I order something it takes 24 - 48 hours before it even leaves the warehouse... then it costs over 50$ to get it the day after it leaves the warehouse (assuming you live close enough), and still a decent bunch for 2nd and 3rd day... although if you shop around you CAN find places with decent 2nd and 3rd day shipping under 10$ for shipping.

10% is not bad at all. If you can find something half price there, then instead of paying 1200$ for such a thing here... you pay 660$... 600$ is what the product costs there, and 60$ for packaging and shipping international. It is really VERY cheap if you think about it.

Not only that bike delivery service is fast, it also only costs $20.
When I was in Korea last time, I ordered a Dslr on-line. Here's how it went.

1. Using price search engine, I found a site that sells it the cheapest. <5min.
2. Made a on-line banking payment. <5min.
3. The camera came in front of my door. <20min.

Seoul is the city that has 10.5 millions of poplulation alone and it goes up to 15 million when satellite cities are considered. That's a huge market and that's why services like that exist.
 
Originally posted by: taltamir
20 minutes on a bike? DAMN!
You can live one to ten city blocks from a business district here, too, if that is what you want. But the bigger point is that you can't live further than one to ten blocks from a business district in South Korea, if that is what you want, unless you're wealthy or want to be a farm laborer. They're packed-in like sardines over there. South Korea has 50 million people crammed into an area that is 1/4th the size of California, with an averaged population density over five times higher than California (12th most population-dense state). It is almost exclusively urban metro living.

Of course, that something like 20 times more of the labor force in these countries are employed in the electronics manufacturing sector probably has something to do with the higher rates of technology adoption there as well. I don't get this guy's major malfunction. I cannot think of a single case where the following statement would not be true if filled appropriately:

"More than 85% of the world's [insert product here] is manufactured in or by companies based in [insert country here], where general pricing, selection, and availability of [insert product here] are vastly better than in [insert different country 12,000 miles away here]."

There should be practically nothing manufactured in South Korea, Tawian, or China that is NOT significantly cheaper there than in any country that is 10 days away by ocean freighter, and then distributed throughout a country the size of the US.

When I moved from Michigan to the Central Valley of California, specifically the San Joaquin Valley where so much of the produce is grown that gets shipped to the rest of the country, I couldn't believe how much cheaper produce and other food items were compared to Michigan. The grocery/produce bill here is a full quarter-to-half as much for the exact same cart than you would pay on the other side of the country.

And the really weird thing is, you can actually see the prices on these items increase the further you travel from California. Isn't that totally strange? Gosh, I wonder why that is. I cannot figure it out. I mean, the stuff is freaking grown, harvested, and packaged here, 10 miles from me in every direction. But that shouldn't have anything to do with it being much cheaper here than 3000 miles away. :roll:
 
The LCD2490WUXi (search page) costs around 1,886,500.00 KRW = 1,804.776 USD. It is $1140 at Newegg. Am I using the proper units or search? A big part (LCD module) of this monitor (not the only part) is made in South Korea at the LG Philips factory. (Actually, LG Philips has fabs elsewhere so perhaps it is not being manufactured there and that is why.)
 
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Originally posted by: taltamir
20 minutes on a bike? DAMN!
You can live one to ten city blocks from a business district here, too, if that is what you want. But the bigger point is that you can't live further than one to ten blocks from a business district in South Korea, if that is what you want, unless you're wealthy or want to be a farm laborer. They're packed-in like sardines over there. South Korea has 50 million people crammed into an area that is 1/4th the size of California, with an averaged population density over five times higher than California (12th most population-dense state). It is almost exclusively urban metro living.

In Seoul, there is no such thing as downtown or business district becuase the whole city is downtown and business district. Thus, you can't live "further than one to ten blocks from a business district." Rich people live in the core of the city and that's just the way it is. Outside of Seoul, of course, isn't all farm labor sector. There're other cities and the farm labor sector is quite far from Seoul and they're small.
Korea is, in fact, 1/2th size of California but more than 1/3rd of the whole population live in the Grand Seoul area.


Of course, that something like 20 times more of the labor force in these countries are employed in the electronics manufacturing sector probably has something to do with the higher rates of technology adoption there as well. I don't get this guy's major malfunction. I cannot think of a single case where the following statement would not be true if filled appropriately:

You seem to think majority of Koreans are working in the electronic manufacture sector but they're not. Electronic factories are mostly automated. It's not a labour intensive industry. The technology adoption rate is high because of other reasons rather than the reason you guessed.

"More than 85% of the world's [insert product here] is manufactured in or by companies based in [insert country here], where general pricing, selection, and availability of [insert product here] are vastly better than in [insert different country 12,000 miles away here]."
There should be practically nothing manufactured in South Korea, Tawian, or China that is NOT significantly cheaper there than in any country that is 10 days away by ocean freighter, and then has to be distributed throughout a country the size of the US.

When I moved from Michigan to the Central Valley of California, specifically the San Joaquin Valley where so much of the produce is grown that gets shipped to the rest of the country, I couldn't believe how much cheaper produce and other food items were compared to Michigan. The grocery/produce bill here is a full 1/4 ~ 1/2 as much for the exact same cart than you would pay on the other side of the country.

And the really weird thing is, you can actually see the prices on these items increase the further you travel from California. Isn't that totally strange? Gosh, I wonder why that is. I cannot figure it out. I mean, the stuff is freaking grown, harvested, and packaged here, 10 miles from me in every direction. But that shouldn't have anything to do with it being much cheaper here than 3000 miles away. :roll:[

As I said in the beginning, most of electronics that are made in Korea is, in fact, cheaper in U.S. Even cars that are made in Korea are a lot cheaper in U.S although they have to go through the hassle of shipping and import tax issued by U.S. Why do you think that is? I have already told you so.
And, comparing organic products to matrial products in this case is just silly. I'm sure you know why if you think about it one more time. BTW, organic products that are from U.S to Korea is even cheaper than those of Korean's. Can you figure that out?




 
Originally posted by: xtknight
The LCD2490WUXi (search page) costs around 1,886,500.00 KRW = 1,804.776 USD. It is $1140 at Newegg. Am I using the proper units or search? A big part (LCD module) of this monitor (not the only part) is made in South Korea at the LG Philips factory. (Actually, LG Philips has fabs elsewhere so perhaps it is not being manufactured there and that is why.)

You searched it right. I think it's a lot more expensive in Korea because it's imported from Japan in a small quanity. I'm thinking that way because that's the reason why dslrs are more expensive in Korea compared to Japan and U.S.

EDIT: I just found out NEC doesn't have soild distributors in Korea. Those three distributors you see on the link are private importers like the one you see on E-bay sellers.


 
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