U.S. judge won't remove marijuana from most-dangerous drug list

[nickqt]

The judge herself said she had the power to rule it unconstitutional, she just didn't want to do it at this time:



End of argument. Even the anti pot judge thinks she can rule against the scheduling, she just didn't feel like it that day. I wonder why?

Having the power to rule something unconstitutional does not mean that something is unconstitutional.

So no, it's not the end of the argument.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Tell that to someone infected with MRSA

Drug-resistant diseases are a big problem already and the problem is getting worse. Sticking your head in the sand isn't going to change that fact.

I didn't know China's lack of regulation on antibiotics caused MRSA! Wow! Someone better let the Chinese government know so they can get to cracking down!

According to your link the first cases of MRSA were in a lot of places not called China and none were related to a medical setting. So the trail between MSRA and overuse of antibiotics ends here. Shame, but hey, you tried! Right?

Where in China do these mass murdering bacteria exist? Surely if your premise is that you'd not have the general public access to over the counter antibiotics that we'd see some sort of evidence to your claim. We do not. Can you explain why? Otherwise we are at a point where evidence is needed where none exists and I submit to the court that the erroneous charges against people and their own judgement in self medication be dismissed and hereby never heard from again!

 

[touchstone]

I didn't know China's lack of regulation on antibiotics caused MRSA! Wow! Someone better let the Chinese government know so they can get to cracking down!

According to your link the first cases of MRSA were in a lot of places not called China and none were related to a medical setting. So the trail between MSRA and overuse of antibiotics ends here. Shame, but hey, you tried! Right?

Where in China do these mass murdering bacteria exist? Surely if your premise is that you'd not have the general public access to over the counter antibiotics that we'd see some sort of evidence to your claim. We do not. Can you explain why? Otherwise we are at a point where evidence is needed where none exists and I submit to the court that the erroneous charges against people and their own judgement in self medication be dismissed and hereby never heard from again!

This is a good point, why do we see MRSA in places where antibiotics are strictly controlled? And if China has such a huge problem why don't we see any evidence to that effect?

The sheer numbers of people taking antibiotics in huge quantities while living in densely packed urban neighborhoods would cause thousands of deaths if we take the usual explanation for the U.S. Govt. But we don't see that at all.

 

[NoStateofMind]

This is a good point, why do we see MRSA in places where antibiotics are strictly controlled? And if China has such a huge problem why don't we see any evidence to that effect?

The sheer numbers of people taking antibiotics in huge quantities while living in densely packed urban neighborhoods would cause thousands of deaths if we take the usual explanation for the U.S. Govt. But we don't see that at all.

Well to be fair they do put in this as well on wikipedia:

"On January 6, 2008, half of 64 non-Chinese cases of MRSA infections in Hong Kong in 2007 were Filipino domestic helpers. Ho Pak-leung, professor of microbiology at the University of Hong Kong, traced the cause to high use of antibiotics. In 2007, there were 166 community cases in Hong Kong compared with 8,000 hospital-acquired MRSA cases (155 recorded cases—91 involved Chinese locals, 33 Filipinos, 5 each for Americans and Indians, and 2 each from Nepal, Australia, Denmark and England)"

A whole 166 cases.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Here ya go.

"With this joint promotion by both physicians and patients, antibiotics are excessively prescribed in the Chinese medical system, even to children. Newborn babies are often given intravenous injections. It is shocking that in China the overuse of antibiotics results in 80,000 deaths every year, directly or indirectly, as well as immeasurable human organ damage and the production of antibiotic-resistant bacteria. This issue has drawn much attention from the international community."

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/opi...isk-due-to-overuse-of-antibioti-30207488.html

"Chinese are on average taking 10 times as many antibiotics as other nations' populations, a leading drug official said yesterday.
This raises serious questions about antibiotics abuse and associated health risks, said Wu Zhen, vice director of the State Food and Drug Administration."
"Antibiotics are the top cause of adverse reactions in the city. Local hospitals recorded 20,000 cases of adverse reactions in a year. Of these, 40 percent were caused by antibiotics, followed by cardiovascular drugs and traditional Chinese medicine."
http://www.china.org.cn/china/2010-12/17/content_21563175.htm

"Chinese doctors routinely hand out multiple doses of antibiotics for simple maladies like the sore throats and the country's farmers excessive dependence on the drugs has tainted the food chain.

Studies in China show a "frightening" increase in antibiotic-resistant bacteria such as staphylococcus aureus bacteria, also know as MRSA . There are warnings that new strains of antibiotic-resistant bugs will spread quickly through international air travel and internation food sourcing.

"We have a lot of data from Chinese hospitals and it shows a very frightening picture of high-level antibiotic resistance," said Dr Andreas Heddini of the Swedish Institute for Infectious Disease Control.

"Doctors are daily finding there is nothing they can do, even third and fourth-line antibiotics are not working.

"There is a real risk that globally we will return to a pre-antibiotic era of medicine, where we face a situation where a number of medical treatment options would no longer be there. What happens in China matters for the rest of the world."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-health-by-unleashing-waves-of-superbugs.html

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J/K

No really though. If this is such a threat then why isn't there a cry for China to regulate their antibiotics like they do Cannabis? heh I kid....

 

[Rakehellion]

To be fair, cocaine was originally developed for medical purposes

So was heroin.

 

[nickqt]

I didn't know China's lack of regulation on antibiotics caused MRSA! Wow! Someone better let the Chinese government know so they can get to cracking down!

According to your link the first cases of MRSA were in a lot of places not called China and none were related to a medical setting. So the trail between MSRA and overuse of antibiotics ends here. Shame, but hey, you tried! Right?

Where in China do these mass murdering bacteria exist? Surely if your premise is that you'd not have the general public access to over the counter antibiotics that we'd see some sort of evidence to your claim. We do not. Can you explain why? Otherwise we are at a point where evidence is needed where none exists and I submit to the court that the erroneous charges against people and their own judgement in self medication be dismissed and hereby never heard from again!

Wow. So much confusion here.

MRSA simply means a bacteria is resistant to methicillin. It's going to pop up in healthcare settings and prisons because a bunch of sick people are next to each other with bacteria developing resistances. MRSA is going to pop up where antibiotics are being used and where bacteria can move between people. Which is what the wikipedia link says...since you appear to not have actually looked at it.

MRSA bacteria aren't mass-murdering because you can still use other antibiotics to fight them, but it is more expensive, and usually the person receiving treatment will suffer from more adverse effects.

I'd argue that antibiotic misuse stemming from doctors overprescribing them is 99% more responsible for the various resistant bacteria that exist (VRE, CRE, and especially mycobacteria that develop resistance (tuberculosis)).

That said, people misusing antibiotics for viral infections, or against bacteria that literally won't be killed by the antibiotics is a problem. Not just because it creates bacteria that are resistant, but because killing the trillions of good bacteria in your body often allows for bacterial super-infections and extremely unpleasant and dangerous situations such as Pseudomembranous colitis.

this is a good point, why do we see mrsa in places where antibiotics are strictly controlled? And if china has such a huge problem why don't we see any evidence to that effect?

The sheer numbers of people taking antibiotics in huge quantities while living in densely packed urban neighborhoods would cause thousands of deaths if we take the usual explanation for the u.s. Govt. But we don't see that at all.

We see MRSA in healthcare settings because bacteria that are able to survive methicillin antibiotics are the resistant ones, and it's in the hospital where one person's bacteria gets transferred to another person. Usually because of ineffective hand-washing or indwelling catheters.

Note that MRSA infections are treated with other antibiotics here in the West, which is why you don't see more deaths from it. MRSA means it is resistant to methicillin, not all antibiotics. And luckily, because of sensitivity tests, we know which antibiotics are still effective for particular infections.

well to be fair they do put in this as well on wikipedia:
A whole 166 cases.

That's what has been reported. In Hong Kong. I'm no China-hater, but let's not pretend that it's a super-open society or anything.

i've got nothing.
J/k

no really though. If this is such a threat then why isn't there a cry for china to regulate their antibiotics like they do cannabis? Heh i kid....

Because China will either tighten up their antibiotic usage or they won't regardless of what...someone...tells China to do.

 

[Victorian Gray]

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J/K

No really though. If this is such a threat then why isn't there a cry for China to regulate their antibiotics like they do Cannabis? heh I kid....

You could always try reading the linked articles. Who knows, there might even be answers to your questions in them.

 

[IGBT]

I'm not a doper fan but this makes no sense. I'll bet this judge believes in global cooling.

 

[Subyman]

Seems like she made the right choice. I don't see how banning substances could be considered unconstitutional, so that is the only choice she could have made. The work will need to be done through congress as others have said. Can't side step the heavy work.

 

[Jhhnn]

Seems like she made the right choice. I don't see how banning substances could be considered unconstitutional, so that is the only choice she could have made. The work will need to be done through congress as others have said. Can't side step the heavy work.

Well, yeh, kinda, except that the Govt needs to demonstrate that they act in the public welfare when doing so. That has never been done wrt cannabis. By your reasoning, Congress could ban baking soda.

It's never been more than one of those "Because we say so!" deals.

The judge allowed an enormous amount of evidence entered into the record, evidence indicating that cannabis has legitimate medical uses. That evidence is now passed along to the 9th circuit court of appeals- You know, soft headed libruhls who don't care about protecting white women from their secret sexual cravings released from cannabis consumption.

 

[Subyman]

Well, yeh, kinda, except that the Govt needs to demonstrate that they act in the public welfare when doing so. That has never been done wrt cannabis. By your reasoning, Congress could ban baking soda.

It's never been more than one of those "Because we say so!" deals.

The judge allowed an enormous amount of evidence entered into the record, evidence indicating that cannabis has legitimate medical uses. That evidence is now passed along to the 9th circuit court of appeals- You know, soft headed libruhls who don't care about protecting white women from their secret cravings for negro dick.

They could ban baking soda, but I don't think many would be reelected afterwards :thumbsup: