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U.S., Iraqi Agents Apprehend Weapons Smugglers in Iraq
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Which border?
Proletariat
Diamond Member
The Resistance cannot and will not be stopped.
Why has Guerilla warfare been the most common form of warfare since 1945?
The Struggle of Asian and African people against colonial rule which meant conventional warfare was out of the question.
Guerilla warfare according to Mao Tse-Tung:
Organization Phase:
Build up a structure of ?cadres? to organize population support (?agit-prop? teams to develop popular awareness / use of ?selective terror? against government officials, to eliminate landlords and others the population disliked, and to deter informers.
Guerilla Phase:
Introduce guerilla attacks and ambushes (to acquire weapons and blow up infrastructure) à make it difficult for governments to maintain a military presence (creation of ?liberated areas?)
Mobile War (Third Phase)
Amounted to civil war / force government forces to retreat to major cities until these were surrounded by a hostile countryside.
You may kill every brown man in the world, but they will not care. The fundamental error in judgement that people in the West attribute to the Middle East and South Asia is that they will be as easy to conquer socially and economically as the rest of the world. This is just the beginning, you started it I hope you will have the balls to see it out to the end.
Why has Guerilla warfare been the most common form of warfare since 1945?
The Struggle of Asian and African people against colonial rule which meant conventional warfare was out of the question.
Guerilla warfare according to Mao Tse-Tung:
Organization Phase:
Build up a structure of ?cadres? to organize population support (?agit-prop? teams to develop popular awareness / use of ?selective terror? against government officials, to eliminate landlords and others the population disliked, and to deter informers.
Guerilla Phase:
Introduce guerilla attacks and ambushes (to acquire weapons and blow up infrastructure) à make it difficult for governments to maintain a military presence (creation of ?liberated areas?)
Mobile War (Third Phase)
Amounted to civil war / force government forces to retreat to major cities until these were surrounded by a hostile countryside.
You may kill every brown man in the world, but they will not care. The fundamental error in judgement that people in the West attribute to the Middle East and South Asia is that they will be as easy to conquer socially and economically as the rest of the world. This is just the beginning, you started it I hope you will have the balls to see it out to the end.
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
Someone else that has apparently been snowed by the liberal media that doesn't exist.
jjsole, you see....Tastes knows what is going on in Iraq - don't listen to reporters that are there, don't listen to soldiers that are asking for better protection...just ask Tastes, he was a military weatherman and was also in charge of the USA's armed forces....
You are right Tastes, the situation in Iraq is great, what was jjsole thinking?
You are right Tastes, the situation in Iraq is great, what was jjsole thinking?
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
Poor Neo. Only sees in black or white and doesn't seem to realize that are many shades in between "going great" and "chaos."
Have you even been in the military at all? Do you have any relatives in Iraq? My brother-in-law has been there for over a year and my son is leaving for Iraq next month. I speak with my b-i-l occassioally and with my son frequently about his friends that are over there currently and the situation from their pov. How about you? I suppose you get all your knowledge of the "chaos" from the MSM, the liberal media that doesn't exist?
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
Such progress has been in place and working for some time already. Border interdiction of arms, smuggled contraband, foreign terrorists, and money going into and out of Iraq is nothing new.
http://www.1id.army.mil/1ID/Ne...icle_17/Article_17.htm
slowly remove foot from mouth......
lets see...
does a cousin, a co-worker, a former college roomate, and a high school friend count as knowing and talking to people over there?
Not one of them paints a pretty picture at all about what is going on over there - are you telling me you are excited that your son is headed over there?
My ex-college roomate is in the special forces - in fact, he was among the group that found Saddam - I have some digital pictures he sent me of that event too, ones that weren't published anywhere, they are pretty cool to see. He was also involved in some of the pre-assault 'scouting' in Falluja.
Does any of that count for you?
The only positive thing in this thread is that it wasn't stricly US forces making a stop like this, but how many of the very people we are training and arming are going to turn on us, and their fellow well-intentioned countrymen, when we aren't around? How long has it taken for Iraqi police/military units to be functional?
Where were you when nearly 100 newly trained Iraqi police were slaughtered a month ago in two seperate incidents? Where does that fit on your sliding scale of going great and chaos?
Read the latest damn CIA assesment of the situation over there - or are they liberallly slanted as well?
READ THIS Yes, I already know you are going to discredit it since it isn't from Fox news or your brother-in-law, but too bad, it's been reported all over. Keep hiding your head in the sand..things are great over there.
In all honesty, I can't believe your optimistic outlook on things over there with a son headed there soon...I have 3 children and it's beyond my comprehension...
lets see...
does a cousin, a co-worker, a former college roomate, and a high school friend count as knowing and talking to people over there?
Not one of them paints a pretty picture at all about what is going on over there - are you telling me you are excited that your son is headed over there?
My ex-college roomate is in the special forces - in fact, he was among the group that found Saddam - I have some digital pictures he sent me of that event too, ones that weren't published anywhere, they are pretty cool to see. He was also involved in some of the pre-assault 'scouting' in Falluja.
Does any of that count for you?
The only positive thing in this thread is that it wasn't stricly US forces making a stop like this, but how many of the very people we are training and arming are going to turn on us, and their fellow well-intentioned countrymen, when we aren't around? How long has it taken for Iraqi police/military units to be functional?
Where were you when nearly 100 newly trained Iraqi police were slaughtered a month ago in two seperate incidents? Where does that fit on your sliding scale of going great and chaos?
Read the latest damn CIA assesment of the situation over there - or are they liberallly slanted as well?
READ THIS Yes, I already know you are going to discredit it since it isn't from Fox news or your brother-in-law, but too bad, it's been reported all over. Keep hiding your head in the sand..things are great over there.
In all honesty, I can't believe your optimistic outlook on things over there with a son headed there soon...I have 3 children and it's beyond my comprehension...
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
How many of them claim that the MSM provides the correct view of what's going on in Iraq? I've heard that complaint pretty universally from the folks in Iraq - that the MSM is painting a distorted picture - which is why I don't agree with ascribing Iraq as in chaos.
It does, because as "weatherman" my job was providing support to Army Special Forces in Germany. I bet I can still break down an M-16 damn skippy.
In your opinion, how long is it supposed to take? What makes you think that < 1-1/2 years is adequate time to accomplish this feat?
I might have been riding out a hurricane. It was chaos when they hit. Because of localized chaos should I claim the entire US was in a quagmire due to the hurricanes?
iow, localized problems != chaos all over.
Is this the same CIA whose claim of WMDs in Iraq I'm pretty sure you disagreed with?
READ THIS Yes, I already know you are going to discredit it since it isn't from Fox news or your brother-in-law, but too bad, it's been reported all over. Keep hiding your head in the sand..things are great over there.
In all honesty, I can't believe your optimistic outlook on things over there with a son headed there soon...I have 3 children and it's beyond my comprehension...[/quote]
I never said things are going great, so stop acting the twit and stop putting words in my mouth. All I'm saying is, unlike the doom & gloomers such as yourself, it's not total and complete chaos in Iraq. Do lots of ugly things happen? Of course. It that preventing overall progress, despite your seeming wish for it to be otherwise? No.
Tomorrow will begin our new policy or returning to the "good old days" under Saddam. Every Iraqi citizen will have boiling water poured into their anus, another of Saddam's regular torture practices.
For those that do not wish to see or hear about the progress being made in Iraq they don't have to work too hard, not much of it is being printed, anywhere.....
For those that do not wish to see or hear about the progress being made in Iraq they don't have to work too hard, not much of it is being printed, anywhere.....
look, it's Alistar, the lunatic fringe of the right...with his sig being yet another attempt to justify this war.....with intel so shoddy even this administration didn't use it as justification, and has not tried to do so since....
Tastes..
I don't know what you breaking down an M-16 has to do with anything we've discussed
The reference to the slaughter of 100 newly trained Iraqi's was meant to show the fact that many of the very people we are arming and training are in fact going to turn on us and their fellow countrymen - I'll let the CIA speak for me on the curent state of Iraq....and as far as your point on the CIA goes, their pre-war intel was without anyone in the CIA actually being in Iraq.....I'm pretty sure they've got a few people there now, so yes, I trust their assesment of the current situation, nice try to debunk it though...if we aren't to trust anything the CIA now says, where does that leave us?
I don't see/hear/read anything that says the CIA's assesment of Iraq isn't accurate - unless you listen to Bush and Cheney talk about it.....and finally tastes, what is your reaction to the troops applauding the question posed to Rummy, and your reaction to his awful response?
Are they making that up too?
And this..."Kerry's solo overseas trip comes after several senators endured a harrowing flight out of Baghdad, and amid increased security concerns as violence there continues to escalate.
Last week, a group of senators, including Sen. Lincoln Chafee, R-R.I., traveled to Iraq and found conditions far more dangerous than during a similar trip a year ago. Chafee described a frightening helicopter flight out of Baghdad as the aircraft weaved to avoid enemy fire."
That is a Republican Senator, is he lying? Isn't Baghdad supposed to be safe, and not in chaos? What major city over there is stable or safe?
Let me conclude by saying that at least you have a good head on your shoulders - you are well above the spew put forth by Cad, Rip, and our new friend in this thread, Alistar....but I still laugh every time you try to say you are a liberal!
Tastes..
I don't know what you breaking down an M-16 has to do with anything we've discussed
The reference to the slaughter of 100 newly trained Iraqi's was meant to show the fact that many of the very people we are arming and training are in fact going to turn on us and their fellow countrymen - I'll let the CIA speak for me on the curent state of Iraq....and as far as your point on the CIA goes, their pre-war intel was without anyone in the CIA actually being in Iraq.....I'm pretty sure they've got a few people there now, so yes, I trust their assesment of the current situation, nice try to debunk it though...if we aren't to trust anything the CIA now says, where does that leave us?
I don't see/hear/read anything that says the CIA's assesment of Iraq isn't accurate - unless you listen to Bush and Cheney talk about it.....and finally tastes, what is your reaction to the troops applauding the question posed to Rummy, and your reaction to his awful response?
Are they making that up too?
And this..."Kerry's solo overseas trip comes after several senators endured a harrowing flight out of Baghdad, and amid increased security concerns as violence there continues to escalate.
Last week, a group of senators, including Sen. Lincoln Chafee, R-R.I., traveled to Iraq and found conditions far more dangerous than during a similar trip a year ago. Chafee described a frightening helicopter flight out of Baghdad as the aircraft weaved to avoid enemy fire."
That is a Republican Senator, is he lying? Isn't Baghdad supposed to be safe, and not in chaos? What major city over there is stable or safe?
Let me conclude by saying that at least you have a good head on your shoulders - you are well above the spew put forth by Cad, Rip, and our new friend in this thread, Alistar....but I still laugh every time you try to say you are a liberal!
Neov, I am a quote liberal, would you be shocked to hear I have voted straight line democratic party pretty much my entire life?
The shoddy intel Bush and everyone believed at the time is hardly a "lie" by Bush. The fact remains there are still WMD that were known to exist that are still unaccounted for to this day.
The shoddy intel Bush and everyone believed at the time is hardly a "lie" by Bush. The fact remains there are still WMD that were known to exist that are still unaccounted for to this day.
"What major city over there is stable or safe?" - NeoV
You remember Sadr city of course:
Baghdad's Sadr City Embraces Reconstruction
http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...e_mi_ea/iraq_sadr_city
BAGHDAD, Iraq - After spending much of the year as a battlefield between militiamen and U.S. forces, Baghdad's Sadr City district is now embracing peace and reconstruction.
The outdoor markets are busy again and the gridlocked traffic is back. The bands of excited children who walked behind local militiamen heading to battle in the fall now clamor around machinery laying down new water pipes.
Workers in orange jumpsuits are laying asphalt in dozens of potholes dug by the fighters to conceal roadside bombs meant to kill American soldiers. The clerics who replaced their turbans and robes with track suits to join the fight are back in mosques and seminaries.
The daily lives of Sadr City's estimated 2.5 million people have not seen much improvement in the two months since fighting ended. But the large Baghdad neighborhood appears on such a euphoric high that the mounds of festering garbage, the constant seepage of sewage and shortage of clean water seem to matter little.
You remember Sadr city of course:
Baghdad's Sadr City Embraces Reconstruction
http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...e_mi_ea/iraq_sadr_city
BAGHDAD, Iraq - After spending much of the year as a battlefield between militiamen and U.S. forces, Baghdad's Sadr City district is now embracing peace and reconstruction.
The outdoor markets are busy again and the gridlocked traffic is back. The bands of excited children who walked behind local militiamen heading to battle in the fall now clamor around machinery laying down new water pipes.
Workers in orange jumpsuits are laying asphalt in dozens of potholes dug by the fighters to conceal roadside bombs meant to kill American soldiers. The clerics who replaced their turbans and robes with track suits to join the fight are back in mosques and seminaries.
The daily lives of Sadr City's estimated 2.5 million people have not seen much improvement in the two months since fighting ended. But the large Baghdad neighborhood appears on such a euphoric high that the mounds of festering garbage, the constant seepage of sewage and shortage of clean water seem to matter little.
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
I was just reminscing about the old days and providing some clarification on my military service as a "weatherman."
It leaves us in the same place we've always been - selectively deciding what we want to believe to be true or not.
So I assume you are privy to the actual contents of this cable and have read it? Or are you merely parroting the party-line put forth by the MSM concerning the memo?
And it wasn't the "CIA's" assessment, btw (I love that spin). It was the assessment of the station chief for the CIA in Baghdad who sent it out at the end of his year-long tour in Iraq. iow, it was one man's opinion of the situation in Iraq, a man in an obviously stressful position.
Well according to what I read, there is no truth to the claim of soldiers searching junk piles for scrap metal to reinsforce their vehicles, if that's what you mean.
Standard procedure for every flight out of Baghdad is to perform certain airiel avoidance manuevers upon take-off, just in case someone decides to fire a shoulder-fired rocket at a departing aircraft. Everyone flying out of there experiences those as a security precaution, because if it weren't done and a missile were fired and hit a jet, all the whiners would be shouting at the top of their lungs how every precaution wasn't taken, it's all Bush's fault, yada, yada, yada, ad naseum.
So if someone is not 100% safe they are in chaos? Is that how it works? That was never my understanding. Nor was it my understanding that Baghdad = all of Iraq. I can show you stories of places that are perfectly peaceful in Iraq. Should I use them to demonstrate that everything is peaceful all around the country? Doesn't work that way, does it? Neither is the inverse true.
Also, didn't Rummy state a couple of months ago that the situation in Iraq would get worse as we got closer to the elections? This has been expected.
You do understand there's such thing as a liberal hawk, right? Being pro-war doesn't disqualify someone from being a liberal.
wow alistar...."The daily lives of Sadr City's estimated 2.5 million people have not seen much improvement in the two months since fighting ended. But the large Baghdad neighborhood appears on such a euphoric high that the mounds of festering garbage, the constant seepage of sewage and shortage of clean water seem to matter little"
great example of a stable place in Iraq....
TLC, I hate to point this out to you, but now you are calling the solder and the applauding group of soldiers who questioned Rummy, a bunch of liars?
great example of a stable place in Iraq....
TLC, I hate to point this out to you, but now you are calling the solder and the applauding group of soldiers who questioned Rummy, a bunch of liars?
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