U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: zendari
People don't take care of themselves. Not suprising.

Why is it not surprising? This completely violates common sense. How do you account for this obvious paradox?

Text

Because they can dump responsibility elsewhere.

what does that have to do with people not taking care of themselves? the biological cause is the focus, not the reasons..that is ridiculous to assume that it has anything to do with morality or excuses, it violates the very fabric of being alive ..which in mind, leads us to biological factors that obviously include poor control of toxins in the air, ground, food, etc..and on top of it lack of health care

You are certainly right. His explanation explains nothing about why people sabotage their own interests. The explanation can only lie in the fact that despite whatever anybody may think, we actually hate ourselves. That is why the answer to all these social dilemmas lies not in personal responsibility, because without self love such a think is impossible. Conservatives just hate the self hate in themselves that they cannot see in themselves but see the results of in others.

 

[ericlp]

here is the real reason...

It began as a low-key campaign among conservative Christians to discourage their children from having sex. Last week the abstinence movement emerged as a key plank of President George W. Bush's reform of American welfare policy.

Yep idiot bush polling condom vending machines out of high schools and pushing out sex education. Is it any wonder?

That and americans are pretty f'en stupid... Abstenency hasen't worked in the past... Why would work today? Hey... I know lets waste some MORE $$$$!!!!!!!!! We got tons to burn!

 

[piasabird]

Here is my other rant on this subject.

It is fine to say what is on your mind. There may be some inherent issue we are not looking at. For instance we could look at demographics and populations of different races or different ethnic groups or even illegal immigrants and try to find some indicators of what states or cities are better or worse than others. I know in St Louis, MO we use to see and hear articles all the time about women leaving their babies in dupsters, but lately I have not heard that much. Either that or it is not reported much.

I dont think it has to do with Christianity or Secularism. I also find it hard to believe that health care is unavailable. However, there may be some other states or areas inside of states where health care providers are not as common as in my area. For instance I know there is a clinic in a nearby city that is almost free, but you have to look for it. I also know that there is a problem with premature babies. They are studying this in several hospitals in St Louis, MO. I truly believe it boils down to greed. Some people care more about partying and buying clothes and cars than they do about children. If anything this is a product of our throw away nanny state society. Perhaps people in America just choose to have different priorities. This does not mean all people in the USA are animals, but there are certain segments of society that for some reason dont care much for children or dont believe in the future.

Finally the main point. I dont trust figures from other countries. They may not be as forthcoming as we are with the truth. America is also the land to which many poor immigrants want to come to, while in Europe many people want to leave to come here. Even this may be flawed reasoning. Apparently we dont look for solutions, we just look for problems. America is funny that way. When it comes right down to it, you can only look our for yourself and your own extended family.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: piasabird
I dont think it has to do with Christianity or Secularism. I also find it hard to believe that health care is unavailable. However, there may be some other states or areas inside of states where health care providers are not as common as in my area. For instance I know there is a clinic in a nearby city that is almost free, but you have to look for it.

There are free clinics within St. Louis city even. I know there is one on North Grand, for example, right by the symphony hall near the VA hospital. It usually has a fairly long line, and I've seen people walk away when they see how long the line is. It must be nice to have that option, I suppose.

 

[TravisT]

I believe a lot of it would have to do with the general health of the women here in the United States. Everyone knows obesity is already an issue, but on top of that, I would be inclined to think that exercise is more prevenlant in other countries. A lack of exercise for the woman on top of not eating right can certainly cause birth defects.

Granted, in some other 3rd world countries eating a ton isn't typically an option I don't imagine. And considering many women are probably getting exercise through physical labor, if they don't have miscarrage (sp?) they probably have generally healthier babies.

Diseases and other problems that plague the area i'm sure is a totally different issue.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I'll speculate that the reason is not because of poor healthcare availability. In fact, it may well be the opposite. We try to sustain babies that are born more and more prematurely. This will inevitably increase the apparent infant death rate, as we are pushing the envelope of what the human body can do outside the womb. I don't see where the study accounts for this, but it would be interesting to see the statistics.

In some countries abortion is illegal. And so it seems logical that more children would be born in those countries with severe life threating defects. This would seem to negate your position.

Name a first world country where abortion is illegal. This is what we're talking about here.

The post is about INDUSTRIALIZED countries.
And anyway Ireland bans abortion except in cases where the life of the MOTHER is threatened.
btw EVERY time you challenge me to prove a statement I make which is or should be common knowledge to every educated American you either show your lack of education or your 9 year old age.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I'll speculate that the reason is not because of poor healthcare availability. In fact, it may well be the opposite. We try to sustain babies that are born more and more prematurely. This will inevitably increase the apparent infant death rate, as we are pushing the envelope of what the human body can do outside the womb. I don't see where the study accounts for this, but it would be interesting to see the statistics.

Very good point. I would say a large majority of pregnant women would not even need to see a doctor during pregnancy, its a natural process and with a little education any woman can carry a healthy child by eating right, avoiding certain acitivies, and not doing drugs (nicotine and caffeine included). Fitness also plays a significant role. Women go to a doctor during pregnancy generally as a preventative measure. More often than not I would say a doctor does nothing more than monitor progress.

Is there a correlation between living a non-healthy life style and not being able to afford decent healthcare? A little off topic but here in tennessee there is a program for people who cannot afford insurance called tenncare. People on tenncare have average three times the number of prescriptions as those who pay their own insurance. Maybe I will have to look to see where Tennessee's infant mortality stastistics fall in the scheme of things.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Obligatory Link:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/parenting/05/08/mothers.index/index.html

U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world

You can read the whole report if you want. I think the logic flaw in this report is that Women live longer in the USA, We do more Drugs, Wait longer to have children.

If women live longer they tend to be able to have more children and the liklihood is that more women having children later in life may increas infant mortality. Another possibility is that we may be leaving a lot more children in dumpsters and purposely letting them die.

Drug and alcohol use probably accounts for a large percentage of premature births. Also more women are probably working stressful jobs and not taking enough time off before the birth. Being such an industrialized country exposure to chemicals at higher concentrations may also cause problems with premature births.

I visited a young boy in a children's hospital in St Louis, MO and I think an awful lot of premature infants were African American. This report points out that a lot of the infant deaths were from people of African Descent. It could be genetics, or it could be some African Americans have more children. If that were the case though you would think the Infant Death rate would be high among Mormons that have more children also. You can come to your own conclusions.

its been established that it's because poor peope in america get the shaft on healthcare.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I'll speculate that the reason is not because of poor healthcare availability. In fact, it may well be the opposite. We try to sustain babies that are born more and more prematurely. This will inevitably increase the apparent infant death rate, as we are pushing the envelope of what the human body can do outside the womb. I don't see where the study accounts for this, but it would be interesting to see the statistics.

In some countries abortion is illegal. And so it seems logical that more children would be born in those countries with severe life threating defects. This would seem to negate your position.

I would think those numbers would be small as to be insignificant.

The fact is the US has always been low compared to other countries. And it's numerous reasons, including diet, environment and lifestyle. Our medical quality is greater than all other countries and the fact that healthcare is not nationalized doesn't mean that women are having babies on the street. When is the last time a hospital denied a birth for an uninsured mother-to-be?

do you live in a rural area? Clearly not.

 

[waggy]

i think its part lifestyle and how we in the US respond to pregnant women compared to other nations.


here in the US many women work up until the day they give birth. This is even in hard physical jobs. they also get what i consider sub0standard pre-natel care. I have gottne on a few pregnancy forums and ones related to fathers about pregnancy. Anyway other countries treat pregnant women far better then we do in the US. France is really good on how they treat them.

 

[Czar]

from another article

"Our health care system focuses on providing high-tech services for complicated cases. We do this very well...What we do not do is provide basic primary and preventive health care services. "
Kenneth Thorpe, Emory University health policy expert

 

[ECUHITMAN]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I'll speculate that the reason is not because of poor healthcare availability. In fact, it may well be the opposite. We try to sustain babies that are born more and more prematurely. This will inevitably increase the apparent infant death rate, as we are pushing the envelope of what the human body can do outside the womb. I don't see where the study accounts for this, but it would be interesting to see the statistics.

In some countries abortion is illegal. And so it seems logical that more children would be born in those countries with severe life threating defects. This would seem to negate your position.

Name a first world country where abortion is illegal. This is what we're talking about here.

The post is about INDUSTRIALIZED countries.
And anyway Ireland bans abortion except in cases where the life of the MOTHER is threatened.
btw EVERY time you challenge me to prove a statement I make which is or should be common knowledge to every educated American you either show your lack of education or your 9 year old age.

First I am not sure why you made the effort to point out the post is about INDUSTRIALIZED countries, which the name industrialized is a synonym with: developed, and first world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developed_country

I wonder if there is some study that gives the age of the mother and the rate of infant mortality. I would imagine that being very young and being very old would increase the likelihood of infant deaths. Also, I would imagine, socioeconomic status plays a big part.

Also, I know that no hospital would turn away a mother giving birth because she can't pay, but would that same hospital give away prenatal healthcare for free? How about prenatal drugs and testing? Is it readily available to everyone? I suspect that it is not.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I'll speculate that the reason is not because of poor healthcare availability. In fact, it may well be the opposite. We try to sustain babies that are born more and more prematurely. This will inevitably increase the apparent infant death rate, as we are pushing the envelope of what the human body can do outside the womb. I don't see where the study accounts for this, but it would be interesting to see the statistics.

In some countries abortion is illegal. And so it seems logical that more children would be born in those countries with severe life threating defects. This would seem to negate your position.

I would think those numbers would be small as to be insignificant.

The fact is the US has always been low compared to other countries. And it's numerous reasons, including diet, environment and lifestyle. Our medical quality is greater than all other countries and the fact that healthcare is not nationalized doesn't mean that women are having babies on the street. When is the last time a hospital denied a birth for an uninsured mother-to-be?

Hay there CPA, let us agree on what medical care is in the USA, not "health" care, but "illness" care. And than not even curing the patients disease, but medicating them so they can live with the illness, real, made up, or manufactured by the drug companies.

 

[Velk]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I'll speculate that the reason is not because of poor healthcare availability. In fact, it may well be the opposite. We try to sustain babies that are born more and more prematurely. This will inevitably increase the apparent infant death rate, as we are pushing the envelope of what the human body can do outside the womb. I don't see where the study accounts for this, but it would be interesting to see the statistics.

I am not sure what you mean - surely if there was no attempt made to sustain a prematurely born baby it would die and increase the infant mortality rate. How can trying to keep it alive increase the apparent infant mortality rate beyond that ?