U.S. Government Begins Shutting Down P2P Networks with multistate Raids

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Bozo Galora

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...against_edonkey_sites/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2..._raid_bittorrent_site/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12/10/sc_p2p_case/


http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/5885.cfm

ShareReactor, ShareConnector, Releases4u and Finreactor

Each of the above sites had thousands of links to illegal files on the eDonkey2000 network, yet you have to question if legal action is justified. Whether or not an eD2K link is legal or not, is up for debate. In fact, it gets more interesting if you look at the cases of ShareReactor and ShareConnector. ShareReactor was a site that would receive angry "cease and desist" letters from corporations because of the links that were on the site on a regular basis, but in all that time, no serious action was taken until weeks after a pretty large amount of money was donated by the users to the site. Now in the case of ShareConnector, it is also in recent weeks that they started to receive donations from users for the site. Now if you look back again at the ShareReactor case, you will see that an anti-piracy organization, SAFE, had well over-estimated the revenue ShareReactor produced. This is a quote from an interview with Simon Moon, SR owner.


Q. Dela: Back to the Police Station for a moment. They kept you in for about 9 hours? What did they do all the time?

Simon Moon: Asked about SR. Asked me where money came in and where it went to. The whole thing lost pretty fast steam as they saw how big a loss SR produced every month, and how little money in total was flowing at all. SAFE told them something about 15'000 Euros income a month, while they told papers something about 76'000 Euros.

ShareReactor however, made nothing near these figures in revenue, and you will find this out if you read through the interview. So the question is; where did SAFE get these figures? Since these figures were probably a major part of convincing the Swiss authorities to investigate ShareReactor, it's only fair that SAFE would provide the information they had which lead to the 15,000 euro a month claim they made to the authorities and the 76,000 euro claim that appeared in newspapers. Not many details are available yet on the ShareConnector case, but I don't think any of us will be surprised if we hear that the donated money was a huge reason behind the raids and arrests that took place.

On the 16th December, RespectP2P.org had a small announcement stating that the Admins of ShareConnector and Releases4u were released, but no more details were made available just yet. So it seems that one possibility is that the anti-piracy organizations need the sites to generate money to convince authorities to investigate, even though such linking sites have not exactly yet been declared illegal.

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Bozo Galora

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Suprnova?s new Exeem
Posted Dec 11, 2004, 8:04 AM ET by Alberto Escarlate

Rumors in the blogosphere of a new Bit Torrent application being developed by the folks at SuprNova.org. The name is Exeem and it?s supposedly a ?decentralized BitTorrent network that basically makes everyone a Tracker. Individuals will share Torrents, and seed shared files to the network.?

At this time, details and the full potential of this project are being kept very quiet. However it appears this P2P application will completely replace SuprNova.org; no more web mirrors, no more bottle necks and no more slow downs.

http://p2p.weblogsinc.com/entry/1234000290023347
 

Klixxer

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I love how people are upset over things like anti-piracy, i am ALL for it, fvcking thieves belong in jail.

People have no problem stealing software for 10K+ but if i were to stal their car (worth 8K) they would be pissed, now WHERE is the logic in that?

For some STUPID reason people, or should i just say thieves, think it is ok to steal in some cases but not in other cases? Well, you're wrong!

Stealing is stealing is stealing, whether you shoplift or mug or download.

True idiots don't get that though, "gotta use windows" Well guess what you stupid fvck, if more people would use a free alternative the games would be sold working on the alternatives. Christ, people are so incredibly daft.

Priates should burn along with their copies!
 

Zebo

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Klix

While I agree with your general sentiment you are making a stupid comparison. If someone steals your car you are out an real tangible asset. If I DL word microsoft is'nt out anything and are no more worse off than if I DL'ed open office they lost nothing from this IP theft. Unlike If I walked into MS and ealked away with their 737 excutive airplace.

What would you loose if I plagerize you in another forum? VS. Steal all your books from your house.
 

edm917

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
So, what happens if you are sharing nothing more than live Phish shows which is legal or other "legal" material? You know hte morons at the DOJ will go after you.


There are plenty of legal uses for P2P technology if you think about it. Imagine having software that only connected you with people you knew, kind of like extending your network neighborhood out around your friends. With something like this, you could share private files, photos, etc. The reason P2P has gotten a bad name is that people start using it to share with strangers and things get out of hand.
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: edm917
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
So, what happens if you are sharing nothing more than live Phish shows which is legal or other "legal" material? You know hte morons at the DOJ will go after you.


There are plenty of legal uses for P2P technology if you think about it. Imagine having software that only connected you with people you knew, kind of like extending your network neighborhood out around your friends. With something like this, you could share private files, photos, etc. The reason P2P has gotten a bad name is that people start using it to share with strangers and things get out of hand.

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drinkmorejava

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Well, talking about other things they could be spending money on; violent crimes are actually at all time lows. But anyway, if property right laws go to hell, the whole point of creating new concepts and ideas bascially goes to hell along with them. I'm sure the movie industry will never not make money in theaters, but thats not the point; people don't want to publish stuff if it can't be protected.
 

whistleclient

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc<BR>We all know Arsecroft is arguably one of GWB's greatest blights on American society but I have little compassion for these guys. There's no justification for taking what doesn't belong to you . . . copyrighted material. But these guys were sharing a minimum of 100GB on an elite/limited access network. They might as well have put a big sign in the yard "Hey we are stealing like mad in here!"
<BR>I agree. One has to question, however, why the federal government is acting as rent-a-cops for the entertainment industry. Copyright infringements are -- or at least were -- civil violations that should be addressed in civil court. The studios are perfectly capable of hiring attorneys and pursuing these alleged violations themselves. Why am I footing their legal bills?

Wrong. Check out the FBI warning in front of a movie.

 

ahurtt

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
We all know Arsecroft is arguably one of GWB's greatest blights on American society but I have little compassion for these guys. There's no justification for taking what doesn't belong to you . . . copyrighted material. But these guys were sharing a minimum of 100GB on an elite/limited access network. They might as well have put a big sign in the yard "Hey we are stealing like mad in here!"

Agreed. And I'd also wager that a lot of the "people" (and I use the term loosely) who run these ultra-elite underground private p2p networks are also some of the ones running things like kiddie p0rn rings.
 

ahurtt

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc<BR>We all know Arsecroft is arguably one of GWB's greatest blights on American society but I have little compassion for these guys. There's no justification for taking what doesn't belong to you . . . copyrighted material. But these guys were sharing a minimum of 100GB on an elite/limited access network. They might as well have put a big sign in the yard "Hey we are stealing like mad in here!"
<BR>I agree. One has to question, however, why the federal government is acting as rent-a-cops for the entertainment industry. Copyright infringements are -- or at least were -- civil violations that should be addressed in civil court. The studios are perfectly capable of hiring attorneys and pursuing these alleged violations themselves. Why am I footing their legal bills?

Why are they making a federal case out of it you mean? Because it's a Federal offense.
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
We all know Arsecroft is arguably one of GWB's greatest blights on American society but I have little compassion for these guys. There's no justification for taking what doesn't belong to you . . . copyrighted material. But these guys were sharing a minimum of 100GB on an elite/limited access network. They might as well have put a big sign in the yard "Hey we are stealing like mad in here!"

Agreed. And I'd also wager that a lot of the "people" (and I use the term loosely) who run these ultra-elite underground private p2p networks are also some of the ones running things like kiddie p0rn rings.

The networks they run on aren't p2p. They are run on dedicated servers on gigabit connections with terabytes of space on each. DVD's are transfered between sites in a matter of 3-4 minutes, right after they are released. A DVD will have been spread to every server like this in the world within 15 mins.
 

ahurtt

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
We all know Arsecroft is arguably one of GWB's greatest blights on American society but I have little compassion for these guys. There's no justification for taking what doesn't belong to you . . . copyrighted material. But these guys were sharing a minimum of 100GB on an elite/limited access network. They might as well have put a big sign in the yard "Hey we are stealing like mad in here!"

Agreed. And I'd also wager that a lot of the "people" (and I use the term loosely) who run these ultra-elite underground private p2p networks are also some of the ones running things like kiddie p0rn rings.

The networks they run on aren't p2p. They are run on dedicated servers on gigabit connections with terabytes of space on each. DVD's are transfered between sites in a matter of 3-4 minutes, right after they are released. A DVD will have been spread to every server like this in the world within 15 mins.

Wow, you seem to know an awful lot about it. A little too much if you ask me ;)
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: NightCrawler
I wonder how they got into the private network, they must have weaseled their way in.

I guess they had to share at least 100 GB of pirated software in order to get into these hubs!

Talk about hypocrites :p
 

totalcommand

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Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
We all know Arsecroft is arguably one of GWB's greatest blights on American society but I have little compassion for these guys. There's no justification for taking what doesn't belong to you . . . copyrighted material. But these guys were sharing a minimum of 100GB on an elite/limited access network. They might as well have put a big sign in the yard "Hey we are stealing like mad in here!"

Agreed. And I'd also wager that a lot of the "people" (and I use the term loosely) who run these ultra-elite underground private p2p networks are also some of the ones running things like kiddie p0rn rings.

Right. I'm sure the people who run I2HUB are doing kiddie p0rn... :roll: