U.S. Drops U.N. Bid for War Crime Shield

[InfectedMushroom]

Yahoo News Story

 

[ciba]

What is the impact of this and our constitutional protection against double-jeopardy?

 

[f95toli]

As far as I remember the International Criminal Court will only get involved if a country refuses to prosecute its citizens for war-crimes.
E.g us the U.S: had decided never to prosecute soldiers in Iray who comitt war crimes (for example torture or other violations of the Geneva convention) another country could in princple arrest the soldiers and hand them over to the ICC.
I.e. as long as a country follows the Geneva convention none of its citetizens will ever come before ICC.

The ICC is basically a permament version of the war tribunals that are handling war crimes in for example former Yugoslavie and Rwanda.

By the way, the ICC us NOT controversial in any way in Europe AFAIK.

 

[ciba]

The word the article used was "justice" not "prosecute".

If the ICC determines "justice" was insufficient when the person was already prosecuted for the occurrence, will the ICC prosecute the individual? How is this impacted by the UN's recognition of our Constitution, and its associated prohibition of double jeopardy.

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: f95toli
As far as I remember the International Criminal Court will only get involved if a country refuses to prosecute its citizens for war-crimes.
E.g us the U.S: had decided never to prosecute soldiers in Iray who comitt war crimes (for example torture or other violations of the Geneva convention) another country could in princple arrest the soldiers and hand them over to the ICC.
I.e. as long as a country follows the Geneva convention none of its citetizens will ever come before ICC.

The ICC is basically a permament version of the war tribunals that are handling war crimes in for example former Yugoslavie and Rwanda.

By the way, the ICC us NOT controversial in any way in Europe AFAIK.

The ICC is a toothless watchdog. It a.) cannot prosecute and follow through with trial if any country on the UN Security Council with veto powers (i.e. nuclear powers) blocks the indictment. b.) It can only take over if a sovereign nation fails to prosecute or is determined to not have adequate resources/facilities to prosecute. It is not intended as a replacement to domestic courts, only a supplement. c.) It has not been ratified by the United States.

 

[f95toli]

Well, maybe.
But the ICC has just stated investigating its first case (Congo-Kinshasa).
I support the ICC all the way.
Right now there are several organizations handling war crimes, one for each conflict (Yugoslavia, Rwanda and so on). It must be better (and more efficient) to have a permanent organization to handle this.

And as long as the U.S. is not planning to commit war crimes in an organized way I do not really see why it is such a big deal?
I guess there could be issues with "national independence" but there are plenty of treaties signed by the U.S. that limits its ?independence? in some way.
And, in my opinion there are limits to this independence. AFAIK everyone agrees that genocide is a crime even if it is perpetuated by a government targeting parts of its own citizens (like in Yugoslavia and Rwanda)

 

[CanOWorms]

they should have set up the ICC in a more respectable country

 

[rcomo]

So, our soldiers can be tried for keeping people awake for hours but combatants can behead innocents?

 

[markuskidd]

Originally posted by: rcomo
So, our soldiers can be tried for keeping people awake for hours but combatants can behead innocents?

nope

 

[arsbanned]

So, our soldiers can be tried for keeping people awake for hours but combatants can behead innocents?

Hello black? Meet white.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: rcomo
So, our soldiers can be tried for keeping people awake for hours but combatants can behead innocents?

Wow, how simple are we?

 

[AnImuS]

woopy doo

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
they should have set up the ICC in a more respectable country

FOAD troll.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: rcomo
So, our soldiers can be tried for keeping people awake for hours but combatants can behead innocents?

Are you a real idiot or do you just pretend to be one on the net?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
they should have set up the ICC in a more respectable country

FOAD troll.

No thanks, Mr. Fuhrer.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
they should have set up the ICC in a more respectable country

FOAD troll.

No thanks, Mr. Fuhrer.

N/M

Now i'll /ignore the troll.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
they should have set up the ICC in a more respectable country

FOAD troll.

No thanks, Mr. Fuhrer.

It's f?hrer you fvcking troll.

Now i'll /ignore the troll.

It sure is common to have a question mark in the middle of a word. Maybe I spelled it wrong, but at least I don't pretend it's normal to have a question mark in the middle of a word.

Now I'll /ignore the genocidal white supremacist racist troll.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
they should have set up the ICC in a more respectable country

FOAD troll.

No thanks, Mr. Fuhrer.

It's f?hrer you fvcking troll.

Now i'll /ignore the troll.

It sure is common to have a question mark in the middle of a word.

The forums won't accept a german y it becomes a ?.

Of course a man with one ounce of intelligence would have figured out that that is why there was a question mark, you obviously lack that intelligence.

 

[Zephyr106]

I really think it is time for CanoWorms to get off his anti-Europe trip. From what I've seen Klixxer isn't a white supremacist, unless there are specific posts someone would like to point out?

Zephyr

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
they should have set up the ICC in a more respectable country

FOAD troll.

No thanks, Mr. Fuhrer.

It's f?hrer you fvcking troll.

Now i'll /ignore the troll.

It sure is common to have a question mark in the middle of a word.

The forums won't accept a german y it becomes a ?.

Of course a man with one ounce of intelligence would have figured out that that is why there was a question mark, you obviously lack that intelligence.

No, I think you put in a question mark on purpose.

Yes, I lack intelligence. I wish I was like you. A 34 year old man that uses childish insults (including ones relying upon male genitalia), has to include the word "fvcking" in almost every post, and tells people to go die is a man of high intelligence.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
I really think it is time for CanoWorms to get off his anti-Europe trip. From what I've seen Klixxer isn't a white supremacist, unless there are specific posts someone would like to point out?

Zephyr

I haven't read what you post recently, but I think someone that is part of the bandwagon obscene sarcasm group here hardly has any room to suggest me what to do.

Anyways, I post about human rights, government legislation, society's attitudes, etc. concerning this. I've posted positive things in Europe and even abuses in the USA. This forum is so blind. Anyone that has a different view is anti-American, or anti-Europe, or anti-Israel and demonized for having those views when it's only a fraction of what they think. They want everyone to be the same. This reminds me of the thread Czar posted where someone just like you claimed he was anti-Israel because he posts about Israeli human rights issues. How can you call someone anti-(insert country here) when you only have a slice of their view? Disagreeing or being critical about one issue doesn't mean that it overcomes all other issues concerning the country or region.

I don't know if he's a white supremacist, but if he's going to hope that I die, then I'm going to spout off insults. However, he believes people were equal under apartheid. He believes it's ok to discriminate against people that are different. He also belives that it's ok to pass legislation to discriminate against minorities.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
I really think it is time for CanoWorms to get off his anti-Europe trip. From what I've seen Klixxer isn't a white supremacist, unless there are specific posts someone would like to point out?

Zephyr

Just ignore the troll, he calls me a racist because i believe all people of all races are equal, he isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

And i am neither withe nor a supremacist, not that those little details bother CanOWorms though, he will happily continue to spew his garbage on this forum.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
they should have set up the ICC in a more respectable country

FOAD troll.

No thanks, Mr. Fuhrer.

It's f?hrer you fvcking troll.

Now i'll /ignore the troll.

It sure is common to have a question mark in the middle of a word.

The forums won't accept a german y it becomes a ?.

Of course a man with one ounce of intelligence would have figured out that that is why there was a question mark, you obviously lack that intelligence.

No, I think you put in a question mark on purpose.

Yes, I lack intelligence. I wish I was like you. A 34 year old man that uses childish insults (including ones relying upon male genitalia), has to include the word "fvcking" in almost every post, and tells people to go die is a man of high intelligence.

/ignore

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
I really think it is time for CanoWorms to get off his anti-Europe trip. From what I've seen Klixxer isn't a white supremacist, unless there are specific posts someone would like to point out?

Zephyr

Just ignore the troll, he calls me a racist because i believe all people of all races are equal, he isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

And i am neither withe nor a supremacist, not that those little details bother CanOWorms though, he will happily continue to spew his garbage on this forum.

Too bad your multiple posts in multiple threads supporting racist legislations doesn't support that view.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
I really think it is time for CanoWorms to get off his anti-Europe trip. From what I've seen Klixxer isn't a white supremacist, unless there are specific posts someone would like to point out?

Zephyr

Just ignore the troll, he calls me a racist because i believe all people of all races are equal, he isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

And i am neither withe nor a supremacist, not that those little details bother CanOWorms though, he will happily continue to spew his garbage on this forum.

Too bad your multiple posts in multiple threads supporting racist legislations doesn't support that view.

Too bad you didn't understand my posts. It's not my fault that you are too stupid to understand them.

Others understood them just fine, i had a meaningful discussion with them, however, with a troll such as yourself it is impossible to try to explain anything, hence my /ignore to your posts.

/Ignore