U.S. Constitution? Will be a thing of the past.

[NoStateofMind]

I remember talking to people about the N.A.U (North American Union) and the "Amero" (the proposed currency) a few weeks back. Some used the term "tin foil hat wearers" to those that believed it. Well I now invite you to see proof. The active proof being the borders being blurred, illegals can get an ID in new york and coming over in droves. You not only need integration of people to make this happen, but you also need currency to fall in line with each other. The more the three country's blur the lines in nationality and currency, the easier it will be to create one government.

Vincente Fox states about the Amero being "long term". Obviously bush and Fox discussed it. This shows intent of the bush administration undermining American citizens personal liberty in the name of money. The Constitution of the U.S. will be no more, instead profits and power will dictate your life.

http://video.google.com/videop...&type=search&plindex=5

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I remember talking to people about the N.A.U (North American Union) and the "Amero" (the proposed currency) a few weeks back. Some used the term "tin foil hat wearers" to those that believed it. Well I now invite you to see proof. The active proof being the borders being blurred, illegals can get an ID in new york and coming over in droves. You not only need integration of people to make this happen, but you also need currency to fall in line with each other. The more the three country's blur the lines in nationality and currency, the easier it will be to create one government.

Vincente Fox states about the Amero being "long term". Obviously bush and Fox discussed it. This shows intent of the bush administration undermining American citizens personal liberty in the name of money. The Constitution of the U.S. will be no more, instead profits and power will dictate your life.

http://video.google.com/videop...&type=search&plindex=5

Uh.... See the problem with all this is the EXECUTIVE HAS NO POWER TO DO THAT.

It has to be done by Congress.

Treaties have to ratified by Congress.

Currency is covered in the constitution, and the printing of currency falls under Congress. Some may say the Fed, but if Congress wanted to tomorrow, they could do away with the Fed. Congress has the ultimate control over currency. There will be no "amero".

And technically something along these lines(North American Union) would need a constitutional amendment, and ratified by the States and Congress. The President cannot do sh!t to move something like this forward.

Learn some US Government before you spout off nonsense. Thats why people said it was tin foil hat paranoia.

 

[StageLeft]

you also need currency to fall in line with each other

No you don't, you just trade up whatever you're using for the new standard, like European countries did when they switched to Euro. A US dollar won't be worth a peso any time soon.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I remember talking to people about the N.A.U (North American Union) and the "Amero" (the proposed currency) a few weeks back. Some used the term "tin foil hat wearers" to those that believed it. Well I now invite you to see proof. The active proof being the borders being blurred, illegals can get an ID in new york and coming over in droves. You not only need integration of people to make this happen, but you also need currency to fall in line with each other. The more the three country's blur the lines in nationality and currency, the easier it will be to create one government.

Vincente Fox states about the Amero being "long term". Obviously bush and Fox discussed it. This shows intent of the bush administration undermining American citizens personal liberty in the name of money. The Constitution of the U.S. will be no more, instead profits and power will dictate your life.

http://video.google.com/videop...&type=search&plindex=5

Uh.... See the problem with all this is the EXECUTIVE HAS NO POWER TO DO THAT.

It has to be done by Congress.

Treaties have to ratified by Congress.

Currency is covered in the constitution, and the printing of currency falls under Congress. Some may say the Fed, but if Congress wanted to tomorrow, they could do away with the Fed.

And technically something along these lines(North American Union) would need a constitutional amendment, and ratified by the States and Congress.

Learn some US Government before you spout off nonsense. Thats why people said it was tin foil hat.

HAHAH they don't? Don't get me wrong, I agree with you legally, but has it stopped them (bush administration) yet? The answer is a resounding NO!

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I remember talking to people about the N.A.U (North American Union) and the "Amero" (the proposed currency) a few weeks back. Some used the term "tin foil hat wearers" to those that believed it. Well I now invite you to see proof. The active proof being the borders being blurred, illegals can get an ID in new york and coming over in droves. You not only need integration of people to make this happen, but you also need currency to fall in line with each other. The more the three country's blur the lines in nationality and currency, the easier it will be to create one government.

Vincente Fox states about the Amero being "long term". Obviously bush and Fox discussed it. This shows intent of the bush administration undermining American citizens personal liberty in the name of money. The Constitution of the U.S. will be no more, instead profits and power will dictate your life.

http://video.google.com/videop...&type=search&plindex=5

Uh.... See the problem with all this is the EXECUTIVE HAS NO POWER TO DO THAT.

It has to be done by Congress.

Treaties have to ratified by Congress.

Currency is covered in the constitution, and the printing of currency falls under Congress. Some may say the Fed, but if Congress wanted to tomorrow, they could do away with the Fed.

And technically something along these lines(North American Union) would need a constitutional amendment, and ratified by the States and Congress.

Learn some US Government before you spout off nonsense. Thats why people said it was tin foil hat.

HAHAH they don't? Don't get me wrong, I agree with you legally, but has it stopped them (bush administration) yet? The answer is a resounding NO!

You are completely wrong here.

Bush has not tried to override Congress' constitutional powers. If he had their would be an article of impeachment brought ASAP and would pass unanimously....


Has the Bush admin bent the citizens constitutional rights? Yes, Has he tried to bend article 1-8, HELL NO. Congress would never allow that to happen.

I ask you, name one instance where Bush has usurped Congress constitutionally delegated duties...

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

you also need currency to fall in line with each other

No you don't, you just trade up whatever you're using for the new standard, like European countries did when they switched to Euro. A US dollar won't be worth a peso any time soon.

Agreed, but currency about equal would be easier for citizens (U.S. or otherwise) to accept than one country's currency being greater than all others.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I remember talking to people about the N.A.U (North American Union) and the "Amero" (the proposed currency) a few weeks back. Some used the term "tin foil hat wearers" to those that believed it. Well I now invite you to see proof. The active proof being the borders being blurred, illegals can get an ID in new york and coming over in droves. You not only need integration of people to make this happen, but you also need currency to fall in line with each other. The more the three country's blur the lines in nationality and currency, the easier it will be to create one government.

Vincente Fox states about the Amero being "long term". Obviously bush and Fox discussed it. This shows intent of the bush administration undermining American citizens personal liberty in the name of money. The Constitution of the U.S. will be no more, instead profits and power will dictate your life.

http://video.google.com/videop...&type=search&plindex=5

Uh.... See the problem with all this is the EXECUTIVE HAS NO POWER TO DO THAT.

It has to be done by Congress.

Treaties have to ratified by Congress.

Currency is covered in the constitution, and the printing of currency falls under Congress. Some may say the Fed, but if Congress wanted to tomorrow, they could do away with the Fed.

And technically something along these lines(North American Union) would need a constitutional amendment, and ratified by the States and Congress.

Learn some US Government before you spout off nonsense. Thats why people said it was tin foil hat.

HAHAH they don't? Don't get me wrong, I agree with you legally, but has it stopped them (bush administration) yet? The answer is a resounding NO!

You are completely wrong here.

Bush has not tried to override Congress' constitutional powers. If he had their would be an article of impeachment brought ASAP and would pass unanimously....

I'm sorry, but did you know that in order to have war, congress has to approve it? It didn't stop the bush administration and neither will this.

EDIT: And here's a little education for you on what "executive power" has become.

Cheney's Law

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I remember talking to people about the N.A.U (North American Union) and the "Amero" (the proposed currency) a few weeks back. Some used the term "tin foil hat wearers" to those that believed it. Well I now invite you to see proof. The active proof being the borders being blurred, illegals can get an ID in new york and coming over in droves. You not only need integration of people to make this happen, but you also need currency to fall in line with each other. The more the three country's blur the lines in nationality and currency, the easier it will be to create one government.

Vincente Fox states about the Amero being "long term". Obviously bush and Fox discussed it. This shows intent of the bush administration undermining American citizens personal liberty in the name of money. The Constitution of the U.S. will be no more, instead profits and power will dictate your life.

http://video.google.com/videop...&type=search&plindex=5

Uh.... See the problem with all this is the EXECUTIVE HAS NO POWER TO DO THAT.

It has to be done by Congress.

Treaties have to ratified by Congress.

Currency is covered in the constitution, and the printing of currency falls under Congress. Some may say the Fed, but if Congress wanted to tomorrow, they could do away with the Fed.

And technically something along these lines(North American Union) would need a constitutional amendment, and ratified by the States and Congress.

Learn some US Government before you spout off nonsense. Thats why people said it was tin foil hat.

HAHAH they don't? Don't get me wrong, I agree with you legally, but has it stopped them (bush administration) yet? The answer is a resounding NO!

You are completely wrong here.

Bush has not tried to override Congress' constitutional powers. If he had their would be an article of impeachment brought ASAP and would pass unanimously....

I'm sorry, but did you know that in order to have war, congress has to approve it? It didn't stop the bush administration and neither will this.

Uh, did you know, Congress gave Bush the authorization to go into Iraq?

Yeah... They did. And they havent retracted that authorization, even though they have the power to in the constitution and the War Powers Act of 1974. We can have an immediate withdrawl of US troops tomorrow if there was concurrent resoultions passed by the House and Senate.

Also, in the War Powers Act of 1974, it gives the president the ability to deploy troops for 30 days, before going to Congress to ask for permission. Then he gets another 60 days to draw down troops to zero.

You come off very condesending when it is you who does not know what they are talking about.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I remember talking to people about the N.A.U (North American Union) and the "Amero" (the proposed currency) a few weeks back. Some used the term "tin foil hat wearers" to those that believed it. Well I now invite you to see proof. The active proof being the borders being blurred, illegals can get an ID in new york and coming over in droves. You not only need integration of people to make this happen, but you also need currency to fall in line with each other. The more the three country's blur the lines in nationality and currency, the easier it will be to create one government.

Vincente Fox states about the Amero being "long term". Obviously bush and Fox discussed it. This shows intent of the bush administration undermining American citizens personal liberty in the name of money. The Constitution of the U.S. will be no more, instead profits and power will dictate your life.

http://video.google.com/videop...&type=search&plindex=5

Uh.... See the problem with all this is the EXECUTIVE HAS NO POWER TO DO THAT.

It has to be done by Congress.

Treaties have to ratified by Congress.

Currency is covered in the constitution, and the printing of currency falls under Congress. Some may say the Fed, but if Congress wanted to tomorrow, they could do away with the Fed.

And technically something along these lines(North American Union) would need a constitutional amendment, and ratified by the States and Congress.

Learn some US Government before you spout off nonsense. Thats why people said it was tin foil hat.

HAHAH they don't? Don't get me wrong, I agree with you legally, but has it stopped them (bush administration) yet? The answer is a resounding NO!

You are completely wrong here.

Bush has not tried to override Congress' constitutional powers. If he had their would be an article of impeachment brought ASAP and would pass unanimously....

I'm sorry, but did you know that in order to have war, congress has to approve it? It didn't stop the bush administration and neither will this.

EDIT: And here's a little education for you on what "executive power" has become.

Cheney's Law

Again SHOW ME a specific case WHERE the Bush admin has usurped Congress CONSTITUTIONALLY DEFINED POWERS.

You cannot. You keep point to Bush's expansion of Executive Powers or the Bush Admins DEFIANCE of Congressional oversight. No where HAS the Bush admin usurped Congress constitutionally defined powers...

Back to the Iraq war. Could one argue that the Iraq war is against "international law", one could probably do such a thing.

Saying the war is illegal under American Law and the Consistution wouldnt hold up because of that little thing called the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002. Yeah that pesky little thing gave Bush the authority to do what has been done in Iraq. Congres CAN at ANYTIME tell Bush to stand down and bring the troops home.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I remember talking to people about the N.A.U (North American Union) and the "Amero" (the proposed currency) a few weeks back. Some used the term "tin foil hat wearers" to those that believed it. Well I now invite you to see proof. The active proof being the borders being blurred, illegals can get an ID in new york and coming over in droves. You not only need integration of people to make this happen, but you also need currency to fall in line with each other. The more the three country's blur the lines in nationality and currency, the easier it will be to create one government.

Vincente Fox states about the Amero being "long term". Obviously bush and Fox discussed it. This shows intent of the bush administration undermining American citizens personal liberty in the name of money. The Constitution of the U.S. will be no more, instead profits and power will dictate your life.

http://video.google.com/videop...&type=search&plindex=5

Uh.... See the problem with all this is the EXECUTIVE HAS NO POWER TO DO THAT.

It has to be done by Congress.

Treaties have to ratified by Congress.

Currency is covered in the constitution, and the printing of currency falls under Congress. Some may say the Fed, but if Congress wanted to tomorrow, they could do away with the Fed.

And technically something along these lines(North American Union) would need a constitutional amendment, and ratified by the States and Congress.

Learn some US Government before you spout off nonsense. Thats why people said it was tin foil hat.

HAHAH they don't? Don't get me wrong, I agree with you legally, but has it stopped them (bush administration) yet? The answer is a resounding NO!

You are completely wrong here.

Bush has not tried to override Congress' constitutional powers. If he had their would be an article of impeachment brought ASAP and would pass unanimously....

I'm sorry, but did you know that in order to have war, congress has to approve it? It didn't stop the bush administration and neither will this.

EDIT: And here's a little education for you on what "executive power" has become.

Cheney's Law

Again SHOW ME a specific case WHERE the Bush admin has usurped Congress CONSTITUTIONALLY DEFINED OBJECTIVES.

You cannot. You keep point to Bush's expansion of Executive Powers or the Bush Admins DEFIANCE of Congress. No where HAS the Bush admin usurped Congress constitutionally defined objectives...

No. The bush administration hasn't blatantly "usurped" anything over congress. But, congress has failed to usurp any authority at all. This is the same as bush doing whatever he wants. You want to make it sound as if the responsibility belongs on congress, but in reality it belongs on both. Either through congressional complacency or "executive power" this has been thought out and is in the works as we speak.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I remember talking to people about the N.A.U (North American Union) and the "Amero" (the proposed currency) a few weeks back. Some used the term "tin foil hat wearers" to those that believed it. Well I now invite you to see proof. The active proof being the borders being blurred, illegals can get an ID in new york and coming over in droves. You not only need integration of people to make this happen, but you also need currency to fall in line with each other. The more the three country's blur the lines in nationality and currency, the easier it will be to create one government.

Vincente Fox states about the Amero being "long term". Obviously bush and Fox discussed it. This shows intent of the bush administration undermining American citizens personal liberty in the name of money. The Constitution of the U.S. will be no more, instead profits and power will dictate your life.

http://video.google.com/videop...&type=search&plindex=5

Uh.... See the problem with all this is the EXECUTIVE HAS NO POWER TO DO THAT.

It has to be done by Congress.

Treaties have to ratified by Congress.

Currency is covered in the constitution, and the printing of currency falls under Congress. Some may say the Fed, but if Congress wanted to tomorrow, they could do away with the Fed. Congress has the ultimate control over currency. There will be no "amero".

And technically something along these lines(North American Union) would need a constitutional amendment, and ratified by the States and Congress. The President cannot do sh!t to move something like this forward.

Learn some US Government before you spout off nonsense. Thats why people said it was tin foil hat paranoia.

You have WAY too much faith in Congress.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Saying the war is illegal under American Law and the Consistution wouldnt hold up because of that little thing called the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002. Yeah that pesky little thing gave Bush the authority to do what has been done in Iraq. Congres CAN at ANYTIME tell Bush to stand down and bring the troops home.

Congress never declared war. Thats the truth. We also know that for war to be had, it has to be approved by congress. This wasn't done. So here again we show complacency.

EDIT: this has gotten off topic though. The N.A.U. and the Amero is in the works whether you like it or not. I personally am furious about it. Makes me wonder why you aren't.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Saying the war is illegal under American Law and the Consistution wouldnt hold up because of that little thing called the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002. Yeah that pesky little thing gave Bush the authority to do what has been done in Iraq. Congres CAN at ANYTIME tell Bush to stand down and bring the troops home.

Congress never declared war. Thats the truth. We also know that for war to be had, it has to be approved by congress. This wasn't done. So here again we show complacency.

Yeah and congress never declared war in Korea....

It doesnt matter if they dont give an out right declaration of war. They gave Bush the authority to use force on Iraq without limitations(much like the Korean War).

Everything done has been done constitutionally and legally, at least by US law.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I remember talking to people about the N.A.U (North American Union) and the "Amero" (the proposed currency) a few weeks back. Some used the term "tin foil hat wearers" to those that believed it. Well I now invite you to see proof. The active proof being the borders being blurred, illegals can get an ID in new york and coming over in droves. You not only need integration of people to make this happen, but you also need currency to fall in line with each other. The more the three country's blur the lines in nationality and currency, the easier it will be to create one government.

Vincente Fox states about the Amero being "long term". Obviously bush and Fox discussed it. This shows intent of the bush administration undermining American citizens personal liberty in the name of money. The Constitution of the U.S. will be no more, instead profits and power will dictate your life.

http://video.google.com/videop...&type=search&plindex=5

Uh.... See the problem with all this is the EXECUTIVE HAS NO POWER TO DO THAT.

It has to be done by Congress.

Treaties have to ratified by Congress.

Currency is covered in the constitution, and the printing of currency falls under Congress. Some may say the Fed, but if Congress wanted to tomorrow, they could do away with the Fed. Congress has the ultimate control over currency. There will be no "amero".

And technically something along these lines(North American Union) would need a constitutional amendment, and ratified by the States and Congress. The President cannot do sh!t to move something like this forward.

Learn some US Government before you spout off nonsense. Thats why people said it was tin foil hat paranoia.

You have WAY too much faith in Congress.

Yeah, tell me exactly how many republicans would vote to join the NAU? Uh zero.

Democrats would be far more likely to vote for it than Republicans, but not by much.

Hell most Republicans have great disdain for Bush's immigration plan(which BTW got shot down by Congress).

Now, Congress has ZERO control over states giving ids to illegals. See thats an issue left up the states...

Now if there was a national id card which everyone seems to abhor the idea, illegals wouldnt be getting id's because Congress wouldnt let that happen.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I remember talking to people about the N.A.U (North American Union) and the "Amero" (the proposed currency) a few weeks back. Some used the term "tin foil hat wearers" to those that believed it. Well I now invite you to see proof. The active proof being the borders being blurred, illegals can get an ID in new york and coming over in droves. You not only need integration of people to make this happen, but you also need currency to fall in line with each other. The more the three country's blur the lines in nationality and currency, the easier it will be to create one government.

Vincente Fox states about the Amero being "long term". Obviously bush and Fox discussed it. This shows intent of the bush administration undermining American citizens personal liberty in the name of money. The Constitution of the U.S. will be no more, instead profits and power will dictate your life.

http://video.google.com/videop...&type=search&plindex=5

Uh.... See the problem with all this is the EXECUTIVE HAS NO POWER TO DO THAT.

It has to be done by Congress.

Treaties have to ratified by Congress.

Currency is covered in the constitution, and the printing of currency falls under Congress. Some may say the Fed, but if Congress wanted to tomorrow, they could do away with the Fed. Congress has the ultimate control over currency. There will be no "amero".

And technically something along these lines(North American Union) would need a constitutional amendment, and ratified by the States and Congress. The President cannot do sh!t to move something like this forward.

Learn some US Government before you spout off nonsense. Thats why people said it was tin foil hat paranoia.

You have WAY too much faith in Congress.

Yeah, tell me exactly how many republicans would vote to join the NAU? Uh zero.

Democrats would be far more likely to vote for it than Republicans, but not by much.

Hell most Republicans have great disdain for Bush's immigration plan(which BTW got shot down by Congress).

Now, Congress has ZERO control over states giving ids to illegals. See thats an issue left up the states...

Now if there was a national id card which everyone seems to abhor the idea, illegals wouldnt be getting id's because Congress wouldnt let that happen.

Well, it certainly would not be the first time Congress was sold on a horrible idea.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I'm sorry, but did you know that in order to have war, congress has to approve it? It didn't stop the bush administration and neither will this.

No. The President has the executive authority to send troops anywhere for a 90 day period. Without Congressional approval.

And I hate to break it to you, but Congress did approve "this war". Perhaps you should peruse History a bit more.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I'm sorry, but did you know that in order to have war, congress has to approve it? It didn't stop the bush administration and neither will this.

No. The President has the executive authority to send troops anywhere for a 90 day period. Without Congressional approval.

And I hate to break it to you, but Congress did approve "this war". Perhaps you should peruse History a bit more.

To be more precise, its 30 days of active deployment and 60 days to fully withdraw.

 

[Wreckem]

Yeah except see theres no to many american citizens that would ever agree to it, thus their congressmen wont agree to it. See the Iraq war was approved of by a great deal of americans at one time a majority.

This would never ever come close to that, because when you get down to it, even though we are a melting pot americans are racist and xenophobic... Although not nearly as bad as many European countries...

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Saying the war is illegal under American Law and the Consistution wouldnt hold up because of that little thing called the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002. Yeah that pesky little thing gave Bush the authority to do what has been done in Iraq. Congres CAN at ANYTIME tell Bush to stand down and bring the troops home.

Congress never declared war. Thats the truth. We also know that for war to be had, it has to be approved by congress. This wasn't done. So here again we show complacency.

EDIT: this has gotten off topic though. The N.A.U. and the Amero is in the works whether you like it or not. I personally am furious about it. Makes me wonder why you aren't.

Uh because I fully understand what it would take to implement.

It would take Acts of Congress, Constitutional Amendments, AND ratification by the States.

Exactly NONE of those will happen.

And like I said, if Bush usurped Congress explicitly stated constitutional powers. Which is what you are implying is going to happen, they will so smack his ass down.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I remember talking to people about the N.A.U (North American Union) and the "Amero" (the proposed currency) a few weeks back. Some used the term "tin foil hat wearers" to those that believed it. Well I now invite you to see proof. The active proof being the borders being blurred, illegals can get an ID in new york and coming over in droves. You not only need integration of people to make this happen, but you also need currency to fall in line with each other. The more the three country's blur the lines in nationality and currency, the easier it will be to create one government.

Vincente Fox states about the Amero being "long term". Obviously bush and Fox discussed it. This shows intent of the bush administration undermining American citizens personal liberty in the name of money. The Constitution of the U.S. will be no more, instead profits and power will dictate your life.

http://video.google.com/videop...&type=search&plindex=5

Uh.... See the problem with all this is the EXECUTIVE HAS NO POWER TO DO THAT.

It has to be done by Congress.

Treaties have to ratified by Congress.

Currency is covered in the constitution, and the printing of currency falls under Congress. Some may say the Fed, but if Congress wanted to tomorrow, they could do away with the Fed. Congress has the ultimate control over currency. There will be no "amero".

And technically something along these lines(North American Union) would need a constitutional amendment, and ratified by the States and Congress. The President cannot do sh!t to move something like this forward.

Learn some US Government before you spout off nonsense. Thats why people said it was tin foil hat paranoia.

You have WAY too much faith in Congress.

Yeah, tell me exactly how many republicans would vote to join the NAU? Uh zero.

Democrats would be far more likely to vote for it than Republicans, but not by much.

Hell most Republicans have great disdain for Bush's immigration plan(which BTW got shot down by Congress).

Now, Congress has ZERO control over states giving ids to illegals. See thats an issue left up the states...

Now if there was a national id card which everyone seems to abhor the idea, illegals wouldnt be getting id's because Congress wouldnt let that happen.

Well, it certainly would not be the first time Congress was sold on a horrible idea.

Yeah except see theres no to many american citizens that would ever agree to it, thus their congressmen wont agree to it. See the Iraq war was approved of by a great deal of americans at one time a majority.

This would never ever come close to that, because when you get down to it, even though we are a melting pot americans are racist and xenophobic... Although not nearly as bad as many European countries...

Well, it certainly would not be the first time the American public was sold on a horrible idea. 😉

 

[Wreckem]

Yeah and like I said, americans are racist and xenophobic.

They cant be sold on guest workers, amnesty or anything else Bush has tried to get passed in Congress in regards to illegal immigration. I dont see how they can be sold on a North American Union.

What everyone fails to see here, its not the GOP and Republicans that are giving illegals rights, its the democrats.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Wreckem
What everyone fails to see here, its not the GOP and Republicans that are giving illegals rights, its the democrats.

Both parties are culpable, and have been for decades.

It's disgusting.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Wreckem
What everyone fails to see here, its not the GOP and Republicans that are giving illegals rights, its the democrats.

Both parties are culpable, and have been for decades.

It's disgusting.

Well, to be fair, the GOP hasnt really rolled out the red carpet like the Dems have done in California and New York. They have just turned a blind eye to the problem, where as the dems have been giving them rights like, financial aid and drivers licenses.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Yeah and like I said, americans are racist and xenophobic.

They cant be sold on guest workers, amnesty or anything else Bush has tried to get passed in Congress in regards to illegal immigration. I dont see how they can be sold on a North American Union.

What everyone fails to see here, its not the GOP and Republicans that are giving illegals rights, its the democrats.

You are correct, it won't happen for a while, at least.

They have to work the American public into bad ideas. They worked them into Iraq for more than a decade.

 

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Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I'm sorry, but did you know that in order to have war, congress has to approve it? It didn't stop the bush administration and neither will this.

No. The President has the executive authority to send troops anywhere for a 90 day period. Without Congressional approval.

And I hate to break it to you, but Congress did approve "this war". Perhaps you should peruse History a bit more.

Great. So instead of calling it "war" they call it "military action". Excuse me, but you can name it "fruit loops" if you want, it still doesn't change what it is, its war, plain and simple. I think (if it is not already this way) that if "military action" was used, that after 30 days, congress would have to approve it as war. Occupation of foreign nations for 30 days or longer should be declared war. Otherwise its just psychological word play and I am personally insulted that the "executive branch" or their "congressional cohorts" think we are too stupid to notice.