U.S. citizen from Georgia held for ICE under Florida’s new anti-immigration law

[nakedfrog]

The state trooper pulled over the car Lopez-Gomez was in because the driver was going 78 mph in a 65 mph zone, according to the arrest report.

Consider me skeptical. Possible? Yeah.
Also possible they were also pulled over for driving while brown in Florida.

 

[Brainonska511]

Seems a bit odd that a 20 year old born in the US doesn’t speak any english. Understandable if the parents don’t. But either way if he is a US citizen, this is bullshit.

No requirement to, and plenty of places you can live where you don't need English to get by.

Hell, if you listen to people that have worked for IHS, there are people that speak only the language of their people and zero English.

 

[outriding]

That explanation is in the linked story. Scroll up, click the link, read it. My hunch is that the arresting officer misunderstood the fellows broken English. The judge involved clearly understood the fellow was a citizen when presented with his birth certificate, but had to follow the ICE holding order. ICE agent arrived, reviewed the case, and released him.
I'm sure it was a very unpleasant experience, I'd be mad as a wet hen if it happened to me, but these things do happen. In the end he was unharmed and released.

So someone who cannot speak perfect English is grounds is grounds to be arrested?

Because that is what you are saying

 

[mikeymikec]

Imagine Greenman et al losing their shit because they got arrested for repeating bigoted MAGA talking points in public and an officer thought they "sounded like terrorists".

It's ok though, you got released 24 hours later, right?

 

[eelw]

Imagine Greenman et al losing their shit because they got arrested for repeating bigoted MAGA talking points in public and an officer thought they "sounded like terrorists".

It's ok though, you got released 24 hours later, right?

Nah let’s wait for a Dem to abuse their powers and deport all fascists

 

[UNCjigga]

He should have never been detained in the first place, But since he was, he should have immedialty been released when they saw his birth certificate, which didn't happen. I know, because you are one of the white pieces of shit, you don't have any issues with how it went down, because it won't happen to you.

The article clearly states that this individual lived outside the US in Mexico for most of his life, only speaking a local Mayan dialect (not even clear whether he speaks Spanish.)

Definitely seems like more of an “anchor baby” situation, which is something Dems can agree needs to be reformed by Congress (not Executive Orders).

 

[Brainonska511]

The article clearly states that this individual lived outside the US in Mexico for most of his life, only speaking a local Mayan dialect (not even clear whether he speaks Spanish.)

Definitely seems like more of an “anchor baby” situation, which is something Dems can agree needs to be reformed by Congress (not Executive Orders).

"Anchor babies" are not really a problem at all. It's just something conservatives like to bring up to chip away at birthright citizenship that is guaranteed by the 14th amendment and to be used as an anti-immigrant cudgel.

 

[NWRMidnight]

The article clearly states that this individual lived outside the US in Mexico for most of his life, only speaking a local Mayan dialect (not even clear whether he speaks Spanish.)

Definitely seems like more of an “anchor baby” situation, which is something Dems can agree needs to be reformed by Congress (not Executive Orders).

Can you show us in the constitution the language, that to be a us born citizen, you have to stay in the united states after your birth to maintain that citizenship? "anchar baby" is just another form of discrimination as far as I am concerned. There really isn't any "reform" that needs to be done. But if such a move did happen, it goes beyond Congress as it would require a constitutional amendment, which requires 2/3 ratification by the states. Well, unless the SCOTUS calven balls another bullshit ruling.

With that said, you are trying to use information that was learned thru journalist investigative reporting, after the fact, to justify that a us citizen was detained, even after proving he was a us born citiznen by presenting his birth certificate, all because he spoke broken english.

 

[DZero]

Heck, even black people will be affected eventually.

 

[UNCjigga]

"Anchor babies" are not really a problem at all. It's just something conservatives like to bring up to chip away at birthright citizenship that is guaranteed by the 14th amendment and to be used as an anti-immigrant cudgel.

I disagree. Anchor babies are definitely an issue, and I think it would make more sense to treat any native-born of non-citizen parentage who’ve lived in the US for less time than a standard residency visa like we do any other permanent resident once they reach adulthood. They can apply for citizenship and go through the process like any other green card holder, but they have to live and work here while doing it. I’m not advocating for deportation—just some basic security considering how many people abuse the system.

The problem with conservatives is they believe in different rules for millionaires and Europeans vs. brown people. I want consistency.

 

[APU_Fusion]

Good old greenman doing his Nazi thing. He is a sad little man. The bigliest of little men

 

[APU_Fusion]

I disagree. Anchor babies are definitely an issue, and I think it would make more sense to treat any native-born of non-citizen parentage who’ve lived in the US for less time than a standard residency visa like we do any other permanent resident once they reach adulthood. They can apply for citizenship and go through the process like any other green card holder, but they have to live and work here while doing it. I’m not advocating for deportation—just some basic security considering how many people abuse the system.

The problem with conservatives is they believe in different rules for millionaires and Europeans vs. brown people. I want consistency.

Nope. Don’t like the way it is? Amend the Constitution. Don’t have the votes or states to do it. Too bad.

 

[Brainonska511]

I disagree. Anchor babies are definitely an issue, and I think it would make more sense to treat any native-born of non-citizen parentage who’ve lived in the US for less time than a standard residency visa like we do any other permanent resident once they reach adulthood. They can apply for citizenship and go through the process like any other green card holder, but they have to live and work here while doing it. I’m not advocating for deportation—just some basic security considering how many people abuse the system.

The problem with conservatives is they believe in different rules for millionaires and Europeans vs. brown people. I want consistency.

Nah. I'd rather not create loopholes for future governments to use and abuse to limit citizenship.

Birthright citizenship is one of the great things of the North/South American legal doctrine.

 

[brycejones]

How about not illegally detaining people in the first place?

Greenman is ok with random state sanctioned kidnappings.

 

[Brainonska511]

Greenman is ok with random state sanctioned kidnappings.

Because it's not him or any of his family. Typical conservative bullshit where there is just zero ability to put one's self in another's shoes.

 

[sandorski]

How about not illegally detaining people in the first place?

I remember a time when a Drinking Driving checkpoint was decried as a violation. On this very Forum even, IIRC. People have very special standards for the Them.

 

[brycejones]

The article clearly states that this individual lived outside the US in Mexico for most of his life, only speaking a local Mayan dialect (not even clear whether he speaks Spanish.)

Definitely seems like more of an “anchor baby” situation, which is something Dems can agree needs to be reformed by Congress (not Executive Orders).

Ahh.. the anchor baby canard.

You want to change how citizenship works for people born here? You’ll have to amend the constitution.

Seriously though it’s such a bullshit thing to focus on in the first place.

 

[eelw]

Nah. I'd rather not create loopholes for future governments to use and abuse to limit citizenship.

Birthright citizenship is one of the great things of the North/South American legal doctrine.

Oh come on, a power hungry Dem should be able to deport all the fascists just as easily

 

[Brainonska511]

Oh come on, a power hungry Dem should be able to deport all the fascists just as easily

I'm fine just trying the fascists for their crimes, locking them up, and baring them from elected office.

 

[DZero]

Nope. Don’t like the way it is? Amend the Constitution. Don’t have the votes or states to do it. Too bad.

Trump will override (or try to pull it) the Constitution at any means. If that happens is over for the US to be the nation is supposed to be.

 

[ivwshane]

Well someone certainly showed their true colors today. I thought that some posters were going too far with their “they are evil pieces of shit” talk but apparently they were right after all. To dismiss the detention of a US citizen as no big deal because they were released within 24 hours is certainly a new low. How brainwashed does one have to be to hand wave away such a thing happening in the USA? Disgusting.

 

[pmv]

Born in Georgia? Given the standard of education in Florida I reckon he's lucky they didn't put him on a plane to Tbilisi.

 

[Indus]

Well someone certainly showed their true colors today. I thought that some posters were going too far with their “they are evil pieces of shit” talk but apparently they were right after all. To dismiss the detention of a US citizen as no big deal because they were released within 24 hours is certainly a new low. How brainwashed does one have to be to hand wave away such a thing happening in the USA? Disgusting.

Not to go on a tangent, but I've had a lot of pushback on this forum for saying out some stuff but I understand religious hate.

And now you're starting to understand it too.. there are some people who's entire point in life is to exist for 1 thing.. destruction of their perceived enemy. Everything else is secondary.

MAGA is exactly the same kind of religious hate except with whiter skin and English language. They are using that hate as a religious propaganda with a target and the followers will not change or give it up.. to them their target is all that's responsible for every wrong in their world.

They didn't change over Russia, they didn't change over an insurrection, they aren't changing over the economy going down the gutter.

I just hope people realize who they are dealing with.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Not to go on a tangent, but I've had a lot of pushback on this forum for saying out some stuff but I understand religious hate.

And now you're starting to understand it too.. there are some people who's entire point in life is to exist for 1 thing.. destruction of their perceived enemy. Everything else is secondary.

MAGA is exactly the same kind of religious hate except with whiter skin and English language. They are using that hate as a religious propaganda with a target and the followers will not change or give it up.. to them their target is all that's responsible for every wrong in their world.

They didn't change over Russia, they didn't change over an insurrection, they aren't changing over the economy going down the gutter.

I just hope people realize who they are dealing with.

If I recall, you targeted a group of people because of an altercation between them, your wife, and shopping cart in a home depot parking lot. So which group that you are trying to say "I told you so about", do you belong too, because you seem to be talking about yourself as well.

 

[Indus]

If I recall, you targeted a group of people because of an altercation between them, your wife, and shopping cart in a home depot parking lot. So which group that you are trying to argue targets people, do you belong, because your argument seems to be talking about yourself as well.

Think I commented I've lived in the same area for almost 40 years.. seen tons of illegals looking for work outside Home Depot.. no one ever harassed me.. at most they give me a business card with their skills and leave it to me to call.. because they're not looking to rob.. they're looking for customers for roofing/ tiling.. whatever.

But yes the shopping cart mafia took it up a couple of notches so yeah I definitely won't be speaking well of them!

But blind religious hateful belief is where I draw the line. That propaganda is taught to them and they learned willingly.

It's time we accept that MAGA and Nazis are extremist religious beliefs and they will not change!