U.S. cartoonist in hiding after cleric's threat

[woolfe9999]

Serious questions. Why do religious people concern themselves with the "sins" of people outside their religion? So far as I know, according to these fundies, everyone not accepting their religion is going to burn in hellfire anyway, so what difference does it make if they draw Mohammed? If their God is going to punish the infidel in the afterlife anyway just for being an infidel, why is it their concern if the infidel does things that blaspheme the religion? If it was a Muslim doing it, then I guess I could understand that they worry about a soul that would have been saved, but why should they care about the infidel? And the threats of violence are supposed to be them "defending" their deities? Why do these all powerful supernatural beings need defense? If Mohammed and Allah don't like us drawing the prophet, they can burn us to a crisp, here or in the afterlife, right?

I just don't see any coherent rationale for any of this, even within the confines of the their own supernatural framework. It seems internally inconsistent.

- wolf

 

[dfuze]

The fact that Trey and Matt were threatened in the first place is the problem here. Why again do non-Muslims have to respect Muslim rules when these same Muslims do not respect the laws/rules of non-Muslims?

Shes doesn't have to respect them, just not broadcast insults to them, antagonize them, and then not expect the situation to go south. It would be like me being shocked if I went on the news here and said things about local gangs; yes I can say what I want here but I better be prepared for crap to happen if they don't like it.

 

[PJABBER]

Shes doesn't have to respect them, just not broadcast insults to them, antagonize them, and then not expect the situation to go south. It would be like me being shocked if I went on the news here and said things about local gangs; yes I can say what I want here but I better be prepared for crap to happen if they don't like it.

Are you saying Muslims are gangbangers?

 

[OCGuy]

Are you saying Muslims are gangbangers?

I'm saying fundamentalist Muslims probably sleep with children and goats.

Now where are all those images of their prophet....

 

[PJABBER]

I'm saying fundamentalist Muslims probably sleep with children and goats.

Now where are all those images of their prophet....

You mean like this one?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Serious questions. Why do religious people concern themselves with the "sins" of people outside their religion? So far as I know, according to these fundies, everyone not accepting their religion is going to burn in hellfire anyway, so what difference does it make if they draw Mohammed? If their God is going to punish the infidel in the afterlife anyway just for being an infidel, why is it their concern if the infidel does things that blaspheme the religion? If it was a Muslim doing it, then I guess I could understand that they worry about a soul that would have been saved, but why should they care about the infidel? And the threats of violence are supposed to be them "defending" their deities? Why do these all powerful supernatural beings need defense? If Mohammed and Allah don't like us drawing the prophet, they can burn us to a crisp, here or in the afterlife, right?

I just don't see any coherent rationale for any of this, even within the confines of the their own supernatural framework. It seems internally inconsistent.

- wolf

Such is the nature of man...especially those whose self-identity is totally based on political or religious ideologies. People who have no 'center' will gravitate to anything they perceive will give their lives 'meaning' and 'affirm' their self-worth.

It's human nature to believe deep down that we are a 'good' person and the ideology we've chosen to believe is best for us personally as well as all mankind, and in doing so, many chose to believe a lie...that those who don't share our ideological viewpoint are not 'good' people....and therein lies the rub. That's my 2 cents.

 

[spacejamz]

Shes doesn't have to respect them, just not broadcast insults to them, antagonize them, and then not expect the situation to go south. It would be like me being shocked if I went on the news here and said things about local gangs; yes I can say what I want here but I better be prepared for crap to happen if they don't like it.

Please explain why she, or anyone else for that matter, should not be able to broadcast insults without fear of retribution...After all, our laws ALLOW freedom of speech and expression, do they not???

What gives these Muslims the right to issue death threats against 'non-believers'? It is total bullshit that they expect everyone to respect their beliefs while they show a blatant disregard for the beliefs and laws of others...

 

[Infohawk]

She knew that this would happen when she went out of her way to piss off people that are wound too tight.

I guess she wanted to be a martyr for the cause of free speech?

That being said, I hope no harm comes to her.

Sounds like you think it's her fault... or maybe just that she should have censored herself out of fear of angering idiots.

 

[OCGuy]

She knew that Stone and Parker were 'threatened' for what they did, did she not think she would get the same? Yes we have free speach here, but they don't follow our same rules over there. She was trying to incite the religious fanatics, not the ones who can just roll their eyes and ignore, and she got what she wanted.

Kind of like how if a scantily clad woman is raped, she brought it on herself. Right? Right?

 

[Narmer]

Kind of like how if a scantily clad woman is raped, she brought it on herself. Right? Right?

Exactly. All the reactions are illegal. No one should stand for it. No one should cower in fear.

 

[peonyu]

Easy solution for her. Apologize to the Muslim Community and dont draw pictures of Muhammed again. It offends Muslims so she knew she was putting herself at risk by doing that.

 

[OCGuy]

Easy solution for her. Apologize to the rapist and dont dress like that again. It excites men, so she knew she was putting herself at risk by doing that.

Fixed that for you.

 

[bfdd]

Such is the nature of man...especially those whose self-identity is totally based on political or religious ideologies. People who have no 'center' will gravitate to anything they perceive will give their lives 'meaning' and 'affirm' their self-worth.

It's human nature to believe deep down that we are a 'good' person and the ideology we've chosen to believe is best for us personally as well as all mankind, and in doing so, many chose to believe a lie...that those who don't share our ideological viewpoint are not 'good' people....and therein lies the rub. That's my 2 cents.

So what you're saying is people are fucking retarded?

 

[bfdd]

The fact that Trey and Matt were threatened in the first place is the problem here. Why again do non-Muslims have to respect Muslim rules when these same Muslims do not respect the laws/rules of non-Muslims?

Because we're intolerant of different cultures duh. It's all our fault for our ignorance. If we would just tolerate them we wouldn't have this problem.


lol, people actually think like that rofl. it doesn't work to think like that when the other side doesn't. (referring to what I said ^)

 

[WhipperSnapper]

This cleric has threatened the life of an American citizen and is also imperiling our freedom of speech. The only proper response is for the U.S. military to kill him.

 

[child of wonder]

The violence and threats of violence aren't going to stop until EVERYONE starts ignoring them.

Right now if someone even thinks about offending a Muslim there are 500 stories on the news regarding it.

 

[spacejamz]

Because we're intolerant of different cultures duh. It's all our fault for our ignorance. If we would just tolerate them we wouldn't have this problem.

lol, people actually think like that rofl. it doesn't work to think like that when the other side doesn't. (referring to what I said ^)

This is the United States....We have right to be intolerant of other cultures...Just because you or I disagree with someone's views does not mean they can't or shouldn't have those views...

If the Muslims want us to respect their beliefs, they should respect the beliefs of others...Their religion won't allow that to happen...If you disagree with their views, you face the death penalty, many non-Muslims have found out. Funny how other modern religions don't call for the death if you stray from their path...

 

[Throckmorton]

1) Exercising your rights is well and good but the world is a dangerous place. Extremists ARE willing to kill for religion because they think God is on their side.
2) The cleric is from New Mexico. We should be worrying about homegrown jihadists, not protesting about moderate Muslims who are on OUR SIDE building interfaith community centers.

 

[OutHouse]

Shes doesn't have to respect them, just not broadcast insults to them, antagonize them, and then not expect the situation to go south. It would be like me being shocked if I went on the news here and said things about local gangs; yes I can say what I want here but I better be prepared for crap to happen if they don't like it.

how about this "cleric" and scumbags like him respect her freedom of speech?

 

[1prophet]

1) Exercising your rights is well and good but the world is a dangerous place. Extremists ARE willing to kill for religion because they think God is on their side.

You might as well have said.

Exercising your rights as a woman to dress provocatively is well and good but the world is a dangerous place full of rapists.

Isn't that the same type of veiled threat mentality that was used in order to keep women and blacks in their place when they wanted to exercise their rights and freedoms.

A lot of white men took great offense and considered it provocative to have women and colored people be considered equal to them and believed it was their God given right to set things straight. Imagine if we backed down then in the same manner people back down now everytime an extremist issues a threat when someone wants to exercise their rights.

It seems that too many people in western countries take their freedoms for granted and have forgotten the price many have paid, some with their lives, in order to have those freedoms and rights today, yet are willing to compromise these hard fought freedoms in some foolish Neville Chamberlain type compromise in order to save themselves from the threat of violence.

 

[Throckmorton]

That is the most extreme strawman I've ever seen, 1prophet...

Having the right to do something doesn't mean it's safe to do it. The Constitution can't physically protect you from assassins.

I have the right to say Jesus isn't real, but I don't go to redneck neighborhoods and blare it from a PA system because I don't want to get shot. Does that mean I'm somehow capitulating to rednecks?

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Easy solution for her. Apologize to the Muslim Community and dont draw pictures of Muhammed again. It offends Muslims so she knew she was putting herself at risk by doing that.

Wow, that's the most blatantly anti-constitutional thing that I've ever heard. You're saying that because she did something that offends a few people, she should apologize and stop doing it? Draw some pictures that make fun of Jesus. I guarantee you that no priests/ministers will put out a hit on you. Same with Krishna, Buddha, and probably even Xenu.

Muslims demand that because their religion says the prophet can't be made fun of, no one should be able to make fun of him. Hell, South Park didn't even make fun of him. Stone/Parker just put him in a bear suit so you couldn't even see him and he didn't say a word, and they just made fun of how they couldn't show him. Which was somehow still blasphemous. The very essence of America is being able to make fun of something without fear of being killed for it; Muslims can speak out against it, but we shouldn't back down because of their threats. It's just giving in to barbarism.

Edit: And this cleric should be arrested for making death threats on American soil. No one has the right to do that.

 

[Alienwho]

So when are we going to have the final showdown of the world vs the sandpeople? We are not far from the tipping point when the world will stop bending over backwards to accommodate a people that cause nothing but trouble for everyone (including themselves) and haven't contributed anything of value to the world for half a millennium.

Eventually, complete and total genocide will not only look like a pretty good option to the majority of the world, but the only option. Conveniently, it's also the easiest option. The sandpeople's home is a simple button press away from glass. The rest who have infiltrated other countries are the easiest people to identify on the planet.

And they will have no one to blame but themselves. You don't see people out for blood on the Buddhists do you? Christians aren't prancing around in bikin's and demanding to live according to their western laws and customs in the sand countries.

You thought 6 million Jews was bad? Try 1 billion in a fraction of the time and effort.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

The violence and threats of violence aren't going to stop until EVERYONE starts ignoring them.

Right now if someone even thinks about offending a Muslim there are 500 stories on the news regarding it.

That's exactly right and like I said in another post, if you stop expressing any belief that may offend Muslims, guess what happens? You become exactly like their countries.

No thanks. If I want to draw Mohammed, I'll do it if I please and if they attempt violence -- well, I'll defend myself and do my best to see them on their way to their 72 virgins.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

America and Americans (those who value the Constitution) should not be forced into hiding for exercising a Constitutional right. This is fucking disgraceful that we are being bullied as a nation into accepting an ideology which loathes and continually attempts to undermine Western values and culture.