U.S. Appeals Court Killed Net Neutrality

[spidey07]

That description does not match with your promise of perfect IP video.

Yes it does if you understand how the technology works. Different applications require different treatment regardless of bandwidth to have the highest quality service for a particular application.

I want ISPs to offer the ability to have high quality streaming video, jitter free low latency gaming, responsive web browsing all at the same time to all customers.

Net Neutrality would prevent all that.

 

[berzerker60]

I want McDonald's to be able to offer burgers of the finest Kobe beef, cooked medium rare. Abolish all regulations on beef imports and food safety laws, they prevent that!

 

[CitizenKain]

I want ISPs to offer the ability to have high quality streaming video, jitter free low latency gaming, responsive web browsing.

Net Neutrality would prevent all that.

Blocking net neutrality won't help with that all, but what it will do is force people to pay more for existing services. Comcast won't want you streaming Netflix while they offer their own on demand platform. Why would Verizon want to let me use Skype when I could use their VoIP service?

 

[spidey07]

Blocking net neutrality won't help with that all, but what it will do is force people to pay more for existing services. Comcast won't want you streaming Netflix while they offer their own on demand platform. Why would Verizon want to let me use Skype when I could use their VoIP service?

If they behaved as you stated then the FCC would rightfully smack them down.

It's a non issue.

And positively preventing net neutrality would allow me to build networks with advanced application recognition and advanced path selection and QoS. That's the future of the Internet, net neutrality seeks to prevent the Internet from offering a robust high performance experience for all users. That's why it's so terrible as it prevents all the advancements in network technology.

 

[Texashiker]

Your service has increased without a price increase thanks to technological innovations that net neutrality would prevent.

Bull crap.

When technology competes the consumer wins.

While should my wife pay $100 a month for a verizon tether service when she can buy an $30 aftermarket software one time?

If verizon had it there way all tether software would be blocked and you would have to spend the extra money for a monthly subscription.

 

[ch33zw1z]

And on this note, I suspect the Comcast bandwidth cap will be renewed. next up, tiered service.

Oh, what's this? You don't have cable TV and want to stream media only from services not making Comcast money? right this way sir...it's all under our "Internet media" service, oh...btw....it's double the price of the standard internet package that's bundled with our cable TV service.

 

[spidey07]

Bull crap.

When technology competes the consumer wins.

While should my wife pay $100 a month for a verizon tether service when she can buy an $30 aftermarket software one time?

If verizon had it there way all tether software would be blocked and you would have to spend the extra money for a monthly subscription.

Because you picked the wrong provider?

 

[MrPickins]

If they behaved as you stated then the FCC would rightfully smack them down.

It's a non issue.

And positively preventing net neutrality would allow me to build networks with advanced application recognition and advanced path selection and QoS. That's the future of the Internet, net neutrality seeks to prevent the Internet from offering a robust high performance experience for all users. That's why it's so terrible as it prevents all the advancements in network technology.

You have your head in the clouds (sorry, couldn't help it) if you think that major ISPs would use this ability to do anything besides milk more money out of their captive client base.

They've already proven themselves...

 

[Texashiker]

Because you picked the wrong provider?

Verizon is the wrong provider? You make it sound like we have dozens of providers out here.

Who is your cell phone provider? How much do they charge for a tether service?

My last cable modem provider throttled game traffic. TF2, l4d2,, just about all of my steam games were throttled to more than 100ms.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You have your head in the clouds (sorry, couldn't help it) if you think that major ISPs would use this ability to do anything besides milk more money out of their captive client base.

They've already proven themselves...

He works for the ISP, this gives him more money. Therefore, he's for it.

 

[CitizenKain]

If they behaved as you stated then the FCC would rightfully smack them down.

It's a non issue.

And positively preventing net neutrality would allow me to build networks with advanced application recognition and advanced path selection and QoS. That's the future of the Internet, net neutrality seeks to prevent the Internet from offering a robust high performance experience for all users. That's why it's so terrible as it prevents all the advancements in network technology.

Considering just today a court says the FCC can't do that, guess not.

How is my telco provider limiting what I use on their network a benefit for me?

 

[Phokus]

And this is why it's better to either a) have the federal government do what japan did and hand out money to ISP's to build out fiber with a LOT of strings attached (rather than just giving $200 billion to the ISP's and letting the pocket the fucking money and doing jack shit like we did) or b) letting local governments build out municipal fiber like Chattanooga Tennessee, Wilson North Carolina, etc.

Landline internet is a natural monopoly in a lot of parts of this country even WITHOUT government sanctioned monopolies because the fixed costs are astronomically high to build out. Internet should be treated like water/electrical utilities.

 

[Texashiker]

Landline internet is a natural monopoly in a lot of parts of this country even WITHOUT government sanctioned monopolies because the fixed costs are astronomically high to build out. Internet should be treated like water/electrical utilities.

The federal government helped subside rural power construction through the 1970s with the Tennessee Valley Authority

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Valley_Authority

This is the only way some rural areas got power.

Why cant we do the same thing with internet.

 

[dmcowen674]

U.S. Appeals Court Killed Net Neutrality

Link to News Site

Wow, well I only have one ISP provider in my area period.

I have no choices.

In addition, I wonder how much these judges really understand the
technology they are ruling on, and understand that there really is no competition.

Sigh.. well get ready for higher prices, throttled sites, and such.

Americans do have a choice, it's has a name - Revolution

 

[Phokus]

The federal government helped subside rural power construction through the 1970s with the Tennessee Valley Authority

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Valley_Authority

This is the only way some rural areas got power.

Why cant we do the same thing with internet.

Because half the population thinks that the federal government shouldn't be doing anything and they'll mess anything up they touch and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy: Instead of an opposition party going, 'hey vote for me, and i'll make sure this government agency does this project well unlike those OTHER guys', we get 'lets cut this and that and this and that, vote for me!'. You really need to be all in to have a government that functions well. This government and the voting population has changed a lot over the years.

 

[Moonbeam]

I have explained how the internet works to you before, I'm not going to do it again.

I don't know much about this issue and it's not in my area of interest. but if it were and I felt a need to understand this issue in depth, I would very much what to hear your opinion. I hear in your words a sense that you have a valuable perspective, an evolved one that may be the result of knowing something. But like I say, what do I know. All I know is that I would want to listen to what you say as part of my education.

 

[Texashiker]

Because half the population thinks that the federal government shouldn't be doing anything and they'll mess anything up they touch and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy: Instead of an opposition party going, 'hey vote for me, and i'll make sure this government agency does this project well unlike those OTHER guys', we get 'lets cut this and that and this and that, vote for me!'. You really need to be all in to have a government that functions well. This government and the voting population has changed a lot over the years.

One of the big problems is the govrenment has its priorities mixed up.\

The government can give 1.5 billion to egypt, but how much are we spending on our technology infrastructure?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ors-expected-to-unveil-omnibus-spending-bill/

The federal reserve is pumping $85 billion into the economy every month. And not a single penny is going to infrastructure.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

GG watch now as ISP resume traffic shaping and anti-competitive practices.

GG Netflix.

 

[BoberFett]

Yes it does if you understand how the technology works. Different applications require different treatment regardless of bandwidth to have the highest quality service for a particular application.

I want ISPs to offer the ability to have high quality streaming video, jitter free low latency gaming, responsive web browsing all at the same time to all customers.

Net Neutrality would prevent all that.

I understand TCP. I understand QoS. What you're suggesting is that there's magic fairy dust which can increase bandwidth so that everybody gets better internet with nobody's bandwidth utilization suffering.

 

[BoberFett]

If they behaved as you stated then the FCC would rightfully smack them down.

It's a non issue.

And positively preventing net neutrality would allow me to build networks with advanced application recognition and advanced path selection and QoS. That's the future of the Internet, net neutrality seeks to prevent the Internet from offering a robust high performance experience for all users. That's why it's so terrible as it prevents all the advancements in network technology.

You sound like the snake oil salesman that peddle "WAN Optimization" that I hear from all the time.

You can shove so many frames down a pipe, I don't care what voodoo device you put at either end.

 

[spidey07]

You sound like the snake oil salesman that peddle "WAN Optimization" that I hear from all the time.

You can shove so many frames down a pipe, I don't care what voodoo device you put at either end.

I'm not selling anything. I'm the guy who builds and designs them.

We're doing this TODAY.

 

[Texashiker]

I'm not selling anything. I'm the guy who builds and designs them.

We're doing this TODAY.

Who is your cell phone provider?

 

[spidey07]

Who is your cell phone provider?

If I said that I would be providing information about my employer and clients. Not gonna happen.

 

[BoberFett]

I'm not selling anything. I'm the guy who builds and designs them.

We're doing this TODAY.

 

[Thebobo]

THis is a good read. Net neutrality is dead. Bow to Comcast and Verizon, your overlords