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U.S. ambassador to Libya killed in Benghazi attack

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I have a solution to the Middle East. Lets fund and place radical dictators as the head of all the governments. Supply all the dictators with weapons and arrange for them to fight each other. Cannot fail!
 
Phokus said:
I grew up in a Christian household, if i followed the Bible growing up, i'd have to stone everyone who didn't follow the Sabbath (so basically everyone).
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They were actively teaching this when you were a child?

Or are you being intellectually dishonest and trying to compare modern Western Christianity with modern Islam?
 
MooseNSquirrel said:
I did not use the word "harm", I said consequences.

The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic. [...] The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent.
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There are always consequences to every act.

Note I said that there are limitations on speech, but the courts haven't forbidden everything which has the potential of negative consequences. That's why chose the words I did. The courts have not determined that films about Mohammed, however distasteful, meet the criteria for censorship you would have.

So we have a clash of two societies. One which allows offensive expression (I note "Piss Christ" as an example) which may have adverse consequences and another where merely having a painting of Mohammed merits punishment. Granted this went beyond that, but the possible consequences of a pictorial representation of Mohammed may result in havoc. Shall we ban them? Punish South Park? If the criteria for censorship is that something might offend another and then murder results, then I'm all for the fight. Note I rarely say such things, but I will not be cowed.
 
Thump553 said:
I am furious at Romney for politicizing this international crisis while (a) grossly distorting the US Embassy in Eygpt's actual statement (ala Doc Savage Fan's post at #10 above) and neglecting the fact that the US Embassy's statement had not been approved by the State Dept or the Obama Adminstration and (b) crassly instructing the reporters to delay their reporting so it doesn't have a 9/11 dateline.

Face it, Romney is a total neophyte in foreign affairs, and either has no competent advisors or is ignoring them. His gross stumbles in England and Israel were, in the end, harmless. Odds are in less than 60 days he will be back to his financier life again and will amount to little more than a footnote in history. BUT YOU THINK THE GUY WOULD TAKE SOME RESPONSIBLITY FOR, AND CONTROL OVER STATEMENTS ISSUED IN HIS NAME-staements that will endanger American interests and the lives of Americans overseas. His naked ambition has overriden whatever patriotism he has.
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Save the drama for your mama.
 
Northern Lawn said:
I have a solution to the Middle East. Lets fund and place radical dictators as the head of all the governments. Supply all the dictators with weapons and arrange for them to fight each other. Cannot fail!
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lol
That has been done
Is being done right now
Fail all over again and again
 
Phokus said:
I grew up in a Christian household, if i followed the Bible growing up, i'd have to stone everyone who didn't follow the Sabbath (so basically everyone).
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Really? Then reconcile your statement with this.

3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

11 “No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
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Yep, Jesus yelled "STONE HER!!" Oh, wait, he didn't

Want me to pull up references to the Jesus healing on the Sabbath? I can if you like.
 
Phokus said:
I grew up in a Christian household, if i followed the Bible growing up, i'd have to stone everyone who didn't follow the Sabbath (so basically everyone).
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Please, name me one Christian religion that calls for the killing of non-believers as a tenet of that religion.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Christianity doesn't teach this. You are poorly educated.
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You are retarded:

Exodus 31:15 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.

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Hayabusa Rider said:
Really? Then reconcile your statement with this.



Yep, Jesus yelled "STONE HER!!" Oh, wait, he didn't

Want me to pull up references to the Jesus healing on the Sabbath? I can if you like.
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Nobody said there weren't contradictions in the bible. I'm sure you'll find them in the Koran as well.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
I'm going to make my energy sales pitch again.

From now on all public lands drilled for oil will be done on a cost plus fee basis and every drop consumed here. Domestic oil produced anywhere within our borders not be shipped overseas to keep prices propped up. A portion of the feel will be used for a Manhattan type program dedicated to producing energy alternatives completely free from the price pressures of current production and most definitely to remove our dependency on foreign oil and that includes price fluctuations by limiting supply. The money from the proceeds of oil production are awarded on merit to various public and private groups with the caveat that the US government holds in trust any intellectual property. This will be licensed to public or private entities without charge for domestic use only. Any foreign use will be restricted and a royalty paid. Our allies get a preferred rate over others. The ME and other hostile regions can suck eggs.

Yep it's radical, but I'm tired of being tied to nut cases.
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I could see it working but I it would require something that most people wouldn't go for. Nationalizing the oil companies.

As for the topic at hand, I want the perpetrators to be brought to justice.
Preferably with a cheap bullet.
Protest and rhetoric is one thing, murder is another.
 
Nebor said:
The Libyan government (and Egyptian government) failed to protect the consulate as agreed upon.
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The Libyan government certainly did as far as news reports describe attempt to fight off the attackers, they apparently simply did not do a very good job of it. (Remember they are a still fairly new government.) Your second point is speculative, and obviously most likely means subtle advanced infiltration by sympathizers rather than security forces suddenly spilling the beans if this is how they found out about other safe houses in the first place. (Although I would like to see a specific news report addressing the safe house aspect first.)

Its true that in the Egypt case they failed to keep them outside the walls, but it should be noted that the building itself was never breached and Egyptian security later cleared protesters from embassy ground.
 
We are getting way off track.....normal.

These attacks are nothing new and the American response to them is the same. We blame ourselves.
 
Incorruptible said:
Compare that with radical Islam, You wont because your a dishonest coward to scared to criticize them
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I'll gladly call out radical islam. I will, however, not group all muslims together as a singular group, like an idiot such as yourself and the other ATPN posters like you.
 
ichy said:
Acts of war are committed by governments. The Libyan government didn't do this.
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Using such strict terms, you'd say September 11th wasn't either.

I digress, the Libyan government can take sides, and then later act to actualize that promise. I appreciate how difficult that will be given their recent civil war and utter chaos, but the demand I'd make is they begin towards that goal. In doing so they can ensure that consequences from us do not fall on them.

If they fail to work against terrorists who strike us, then the government should be held responsible.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
You're an idiot and too fucking stupid to know it.
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Cry more bitch, i love owning you with bible verses. How much more do i have to own you rightwing morons before you idiots learn not to even DARE challenge me on an intellectual level? YOU FUCKING LIGHTWEIGHT.
 
Jaskalas said:
Acting crazy? Do not denigrate the situation. I believe storming embassies and killing Americans / our Ambassador is an act of war.
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American Embassies are considered U.S. soil. Normally attacking an embassy is a big no no... but with obama in office... probably not that big of a deal.
 
Quote from NBC News coverage of this event.


"Obama's administration in recent weeks had appeared to overcome some of its initial caution following the election of an Islamist Egyptian president, Muhammad Morsi, offering his government desperately needed debt relief and backing for international loans."

Yes, let's give them some more money so they can kick our butts.
 
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Phokus said:
You are retarded:

Exodus 31:15 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.

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Nobody said there weren't contradictions in the bible. I'm sure you'll find them in the Koran as well.
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Which church did you attend that has used this verse during a mass?
 
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