U.N.: Brutality against women in Congo 'beyond rape'

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: AznAnarchy99

Originally posted by: NanoStuff
Africa sounds like a fun place.

We certainly arent doing much to help.

I'm sure if Africa was a huge source of Oil, Dubya would suddenly be interested in spreading democracy there. Our governments priorities make me sick to my stomach. Even when we're "helping" it seems mostly to be for reasons of greed and little else.

I wonder what Dubya even has to say about sh!t like this in Congo, sad really sad.

yup. US has no interests in africa

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: Homerboy
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WO...o.rape.reut/index.html

"Women are gang-raped, often in front of their families and communities. In numerous cases, male relatives are forced at gun point to rape their own daughters, mothers or sisters," she said.

etc etc.
horrible article.

"Violence against women seems to be perceived by large sectors of society to be normal"

:Q

wow.. rape is perceived as normal in a society 🙁

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Fmr12B

Originally posted by: Mr Incognito
It's shit like this that makes me call into question our governments priorites in bringing 'democracy to the world'.

It's shit like this that makes me call into question our priorities as humans. We are selfish creatures.

Never realized it was the US's problem to police the World. Everyone wants us out of the middle east and Iraq which had atrocities similar to this one happening everyday in Sadams jails but now we feel for the Africans?

Let another country step up and take the lead in this war!

Same shit that is going on in US "defamation centers" all over the world?

Don't throw stones when you live in the biggest glass house in the world buddy.

I agree with him and I'm not american, we really need to do something about it.

I've seen and heard about the same things in the former Taliban camps and for all i know, it's still going on in Pakistan.

You do NOT defeat the enemy by becoming him, you defeat him by holding yourself to a higher morale and send it down throughout the ranks.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: brandonb
Africa is a backwards country, and its their job to change that, not mine. Change comes from within.

Africa isn't a country you fucking dolt.

And changes comes from within? Tell that to the Iraqis, lad.

 

[CanOWorms]

Wow, another screwed up situation aided by the history of European colonialism, and made even more screwed up by various European governments' African policies today.

 

[FleshLight]

We really can't do shit unless we do a large scale infrastructure change like we did in Iraq. And who has the $ for that?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Fmr12B

Originally posted by: Mr Incognito
It's shit like this that makes me call into question our governments priorites in bringing 'democracy to the world'.

It's shit like this that makes me call into question our priorities as humans. We are selfish creatures.

Never realized it was the US's problem to police the World. Everyone wants us out of the middle east and Iraq which had atrocities similar to this one happening everyday in Sadams jails but now we feel for the Africans?

Let another country step up and take the lead in this war!

Same shit that is going on in US "defamation centers" all over the world?

Don't throw stones when you live in the biggest glass house in the world buddy.

I agree with him and I'm not american, we really need to do something about it.

I've seen and heard about the same things in the former Taliban camps and for all i know, it's still going on in Pakistan.

You do NOT defeat the enemy by becoming him, you defeat him by holding yourself to a higher morale and send it down throughout the ranks.

I guess that you do not know your own history. The UK helped defeat the Nazis by becoming even worse than the Nazis. I suggest you read up on some British history not written by your government censors or supremacists.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: AznAnarchy99

Originally posted by: NanoStuff
Africa sounds like a fun place.

We certainly arent doing much to help.

I'm sure if Africa was a huge source of Oil, Dubya would suddenly be interested in spreading democracy there. Our governments priorities make me sick to my stomach. Even when we're "helping" it seems mostly to be for reasons of greed and little else.

I wonder what Dubya even has to say about sh!t like this in Congo, sad really sad.

yup. US has no interests in africa

Ever heard of DeBeers?

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Mr Incognito
It's shit like this that makes me call into question our priorities as humans. We are selfish creatures.

Men are hyper-sexual creatures.

 

[Toonces]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: AznAnarchy99

Originally posted by: NanoStuff
Africa sounds like a fun place.

We certainly arent doing much to help.

I'm sure if Africa was a huge source of Oil, Dubya would suddenly be interested in spreading democracy there. Our governments priorities make me sick to my stomach. Even when we're "helping" it seems mostly to be for reasons of greed and little else.

I wonder what Dubya even has to say about sh!t like this in Congo, sad really sad.

yup. US has no interests in africa

Ever heard of DeBeers?

DeBeers is an African company actually (based out of south africa - founded by two dutch brothers); although the US arms industry is definitely interested in interstate African conflicts.

During the Rwandan genocide a US diplomat remarked after being told of the potential for a genocide (and I'm paraphrasing):

"there's nothing here but people, why would we want to get involved"

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: toonces

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: AznAnarchy99

Originally posted by: NanoStuff
Africa sounds like a fun place.

We certainly arent doing much to help.

I'm sure if Africa was a huge source of Oil, Dubya would suddenly be interested in spreading democracy there. Our governments priorities make me sick to my stomach. Even when we're "helping" it seems mostly to be for reasons of greed and little else.

I wonder what Dubya even has to say about sh!t like this in Congo, sad really sad.

yup. US has no interests in africa

Ever heard of DeBeers?

DeBeers is an African company actually (based out of south africa - founded by two dutch brothers); although the US arms industry is definitely interested in interstate African conflicts.

During the Rwandan genocide a US diplomat remarked after being told of the potential for a genocide (and I'm paraphrasing):

"there's nothing here but people, why would we want to get involved"

I wasnt really suggesting it was an american company, only that there are some things of value over there.

 

[Nebor]

It's easier to swallow if you don't think of them as humans.

That's how I deal with it. Rationality doesn't hold in situations like this.

Africa isn't fit to govern itself. It was better off under imperialism.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Wow, another screwed up situation aided by the history of European colonialism, and made even more screwed up by various European governments' African policies today.

Thats what happens when you go in drawing lines without consulting the people who live there.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Originally posted by: AznAnarchy99

Originally posted by: NanoStuff
Africa sounds like a fun place.

We certainly arent doing much to help.

America, fuck yea...

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Fmr12B

Originally posted by: Mr Incognito
It's shit like this that makes me call into question our governments priorites in bringing 'democracy to the world'.

It's shit like this that makes me call into question our priorities as humans. We are selfish creatures.

Never realized it was the US's problem to police the World. Everyone wants us out of the middle east and Iraq which had atrocities similar to this one happening everyday in Sadams jails but now we feel for the Africans?

Let another country step up and take the lead in this war!

Same shit that is going on in US "defamation centers" all over the world?

Don't throw stones when you live in the biggest glass house in the world buddy.

I agree with him and I'm not american, we really need to do something about it.

I've seen and heard about the same things in the former Taliban camps and for all i know, it's still going on in Pakistan.

You do NOT defeat the enemy by becoming him, you defeat him by holding yourself to a higher morale and send it down throughout the ranks.

I guess that you do not know your own history. The UK helped defeat the Nazis by becoming even worse than the Nazis. I suggest you read up on some British history not written by your government censors or supremacists.

Yeah, all those British concentration camps sucked. We're still digging up the mass graves in Piccadilly Circus.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Fmr12B

Originally posted by: Mr Incognito
It's shit like this that makes me call into question our governments priorites in bringing 'democracy to the world'.

It's shit like this that makes me call into question our priorities as humans. We are selfish creatures.

Never realized it was the US's problem to police the World. Everyone wants us out of the middle east and Iraq which had atrocities similar to this one happening everyday in Sadams jails but now we feel for the Africans?

Let another country step up and take the lead in this war!

Same shit that is going on in US "defamation centers" all over the world?

Don't throw stones when you live in the biggest glass house in the world buddy.

I agree with him and I'm not american, we really need to do something about it.

I've seen and heard about the same things in the former Taliban camps and for all i know, it's still going on in Pakistan.

You do NOT defeat the enemy by becoming him, you defeat him by holding yourself to a higher morale and send it down throughout the ranks.

:thumbsup: All it takes for evil to thrive in the world is for good men to do nothing.

But, as for solutions, I'm all crapped out.

 

[bignateyk]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Fmr12B

Originally posted by: Mr Incognito
It's shit like this that makes me call into question our governments priorites in bringing 'democracy to the world'.

It's shit like this that makes me call into question our priorities as humans. We are selfish creatures.

Never realized it was the US's problem to police the World. Everyone wants us out of the middle east and Iraq which had atrocities similar to this one happening everyday in Sadams jails but now we feel for the Africans?

Let another country step up and take the lead in this war!

Same shit that is going on in US "defamation centers" all over the world?

Don't throw stones when you live in the biggest glass house in the world buddy.

I agree with him and I'm not american, we really need to do something about it.

I've seen and heard about the same things in the former Taliban camps and for all i know, it's still going on in Pakistan.

You do NOT defeat the enemy by becoming him, you defeat him by holding yourself to a higher morale and send it down throughout the ranks.

I guess that you do not know your own history. The UK helped defeat the Nazis by becoming even worse than the Nazis. I suggest you read up on some British history not written by your government censors or supremacists.

LOL

 

[Darwin333]

I guess I am not that up to date on my history but could someone explain to me how European colonialism causes people to gang rape women and make fathers have sex with their daughters?

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: Darwin333
I guess I am not that up to date on my history but could someone explain to me how European colonialism causes people to gang rape women and make fathers have sex with their daughters?

west German porn

 

[KMFJD]

Originally posted by: Darwin333
I guess I am not that up to date on my history but could someone explain to me how European colonialism causes people to gang rape women and make fathers have sex with their daughters?

It's easier to do with an AK-47 in your hands then with spears?

 

[dwcal]

Originally posted by: Darwin333
I guess I am not that up to date on my history but could someone explain to me how European colonialism causes people to gang rape women and make fathers have sex with their daughters?

The Belgians may seem like boring peaceniks today, but they were brutal even compared to the other colonial powers in their day. Even compared to the rest of Africa, The Belgian Congo had a uniquely sad and violent history.

http://stevegilliard.blogspot....nial-warfare-pt-4.html
http://stevegilliard.blogspot....nial-warfare-pt-5.html

As far as why blame colonialism? Unlike the Brits who educated the locals and gave them some responsibility, the Belgians kept the natives helpless and brutalized. A country just doesn't govern itself. You need an educated and skilled professional class.

On the eve of independence, the Congo, a territory larger than Western Europe, bordering on nine other African colonies/states, was seriously underdeveloped. There were no African army officers, only three African managers in the entire civil service, and only 30 university graduates. ...
This disaster was the result of a Belgian policy of paternalism. While the British and the French cultivated a civil service class in their colonies, the Belgians didn't. They wanted children and that left the resource rich country in utter turmoil. Unlike in India, where there was a leadership of trained lawyers and politicians ready to assume power, the Congo had anger, but no one to run the country. The Belgians had no intent on ever letting the Congolese run their own affairs and liked the factionalism which had kept them in control. Remember, Algerians were not only commissioned in the French Army, but attended the Sorbonne. Indians had attended Oxford and Cambridge, including Ghandi and Nehru. India also had a legacy of both civil and military leadership at the lower levels. There were also Indian pilots and sailors. But in the Belgian Congo, the locals were expected to always need a Belgian master. All intellectual prowess was in Belgian hands. Which would turn into a bloody disaster after independence.

 

[KMFJD]

Originally posted by: dwcal

Originally posted by: Darwin333
I guess I am not that up to date on my history but could someone explain to me how European colonialism causes people to gang rape women and make fathers have sex with their daughters?

The Belgians may seem like boring peaceniks today, but they were brutal even compared to the other colonial powers in their day. Even compared to the rest of Africa, The Belgian Congo had a uniquely sad and violent history.

http://stevegilliard.blogspot....nial-warfare-pt-4.html
http://stevegilliard.blogspot....nial-warfare-pt-5.html

As far as why blame colonialism? Unlike the Brits who educated the locals and gave them some responsibility, the Belgians kept the natives helpless and brutalized. A country just doesn't govern itself. You need an educated and skilled professional class.

On the eve of independence, the Congo, a territory larger than Western Europe, bordering on nine other African colonies/states, was seriously underdeveloped. There were no African army officers, only three African managers in the entire civil service, and only 30 university graduates. ...
This disaster was the result of a Belgian policy of paternalism. While the British and the French cultivated a civil service class in their colonies, the Belgians didn't. They wanted children and that left the resource rich country in utter turmoil. Unlike in India, where there was a leadership of trained lawyers and politicians ready to assume power, the Congo had anger, but no one to run the country. The Belgians had no intent on ever letting the Congolese run their own affairs and liked the factionalism which had kept them in control. Remember, Algerians were not only commissioned in the French Army, but attended the Sorbonne. Indians had attended Oxford and Cambridge, including Ghandi and Nehru. India also had a legacy of both civil and military leadership at the lower levels. There were also Indian pilots and sailors. But in the Belgian Congo, the locals were expected to always need a Belgian master. All intellectual prowess was in Belgian hands. Which would turn into a bloody disaster after independence.

That might explain the Congo, but it does not explain the rest of sub-saharan africia, while the British and the French did educate some african's, it's the educated african's that seem to be the ones that are the corrupt ones and sending their country down the shitter for some $$ so that their tribe lives better than their neighbouring tribes. It's a clusterf**** of unimaginable proportions.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: KMFJD

Originally posted by: dwcal

Originally posted by: Darwin333
I guess I am not that up to date on my history but could someone explain to me how European colonialism causes people to gang rape women and make fathers have sex with their daughters?

The Belgians may seem like boring peaceniks today, but they were brutal even compared to the other colonial powers in their day. Even compared to the rest of Africa, The Belgian Congo had a uniquely sad and violent history.

http://stevegilliard.blogspot....nial-warfare-pt-4.html
http://stevegilliard.blogspot....nial-warfare-pt-5.html

As far as why blame colonialism? Unlike the Brits who educated the locals and gave them some responsibility, the Belgians kept the natives helpless and brutalized. A country just doesn't govern itself. You need an educated and skilled professional class.

On the eve of independence, the Congo, a territory larger than Western Europe, bordering on nine other African colonies/states, was seriously underdeveloped. There were no African army officers, only three African managers in the entire civil service, and only 30 university graduates. ...
This disaster was the result of a Belgian policy of paternalism. While the British and the French cultivated a civil service class in their colonies, the Belgians didn't. They wanted children and that left the resource rich country in utter turmoil. Unlike in India, where there was a leadership of trained lawyers and politicians ready to assume power, the Congo had anger, but no one to run the country. The Belgians had no intent on ever letting the Congolese run their own affairs and liked the factionalism which had kept them in control. Remember, Algerians were not only commissioned in the French Army, but attended the Sorbonne. Indians had attended Oxford and Cambridge, including Ghandi and Nehru. India also had a legacy of both civil and military leadership at the lower levels. There were also Indian pilots and sailors. But in the Belgian Congo, the locals were expected to always need a Belgian master. All intellectual prowess was in Belgian hands. Which would turn into a bloody disaster after independence.

That might explain the Congo, but it does not explain the rest of sub-saharan africia, while the British and the French did educate some african's, it's the educated african's that seem to be the ones that are the corrupt ones and sending their country down the shitter for some $$ so that their tribe lives better than their neighbouring tribes. It's a clusterf**** of unimaginable proportions.

Rwanda is also attributed to Belgium, though that was a part of the Belgium Congo.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: KMFJD

Originally posted by: Darwin333
I guess I am not that up to date on my history but could someone explain to me how European colonialism causes people to gang rape women and make fathers have sex with their daughters?

It's easier to do with an AK-47 in your hands then with spears?

ahhh, so if the European countries hadn't colonized most of Africa hundreds of years ago, then modern-day warlords wouldn't have access to Russian weapons. 😕

 

[IceBergSLiM]

I wonder how much of the conflict on the content is the result of some foreign party stirring up trouble for some type of financial benefit. my guess > 80%