U.K. actress's death highlights Que.'s lack of medical helicopter

[desy]

UHC as it relates to this incident

1 Every province is allowed to interpret the Canada Health Act differently so you will find differences among all provinces
eg Quebec is the only one who spends their money on providing gov't run day care, priority trade-off, less helicopters.

2 UHC in every part of the world runs cheaper than the US and according to the WHO, and on average performs better than the US system.

3 Where the US shines is in specialized care and treatments, expensive yes, but top notch

 

[Carmen813]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: Carmen813
Something like 4 companies control 90% of private health insurance. How is that not a monopoly anyway

Four companies. By definition, not a monopoly. Read your dictionary.

My apologies, I should have said how is that not an oligopoly, which is the same damn thing in principle.

 

[ZzZGuy]

Perhaps the USA should opt for a two tier health care system. This involves private and public health care, though everyone still pays taxes for public wither you want to or not.

This is being debated in Canada where we have some problems with specialization (eg, trips to the USA) and long wait times. A private tier would help take a burden off of public HC and hopefully create centers for more specialized care. There will still be insurance for private health care, if you can afford it. So if you have the money you can still get the care you feel entitled to while taking a burden off the public system and no one is left to die because they are too poor. Heck, private costs might go down as they have to compete with the public system.

For Canadians the two major arguments against two tier health care is the "slippery slope", fewer and fewer things covered under UHC until all that is left is private and the "brain drain", how do you keep good doctors in public if private pays better.

 

[jhbball]

How many helicopters would it take for me to live to the age of 200?

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
Perhaps the USA should opt for a two tier health care system. This involves private and public health care, though everyone still pays taxes for public wither you want to or not.

This is being debated in Canada where we have some problems with specialization (eg, trips to the USA) and long wait times. A private tier would help take a burden off of public HC and hopefully create centers for more specialized care. There will still be insurance for private health care, if you can afford it. So if you have the money you can still get the care you feel entitled to while taking a burden off the public system and no one is left to die because they are too poor. Heck, private costs might go down as they have to compete with the public system.

For Canadians the two major arguments against two tier health care is the "slippery slope", fewer and fewer things covered under UHC until all that is left is private and the "brain drain", how do you keep good doctors in public if private pays better.

We already have a 2 tier healthcare system. What we would need is what we have now but the 1st tier is a uhc style system. 2nd tier I doubt anyone on these forums can afford anyhow so the point is mute. We already have private insurance trying to dictate what a health care provider can be paid for a service. Lets remove the "money making" insurer and pay the providers more. Sure that fucks a lot of people who make money off others pain but I say fuck you to them.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: jhbball
How many helicopters would it take for me to live to the age of 200?

We've already proven that each Hovering Machine of Doom lowers your life expectancy, so you'd somehow need to have negative 240 choppas (and UHC) to live that long. (It's scientifical: +6 = -3 years, so -240 would add +120 years.)

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

*shakes head*

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: jhbball
How many helicopters would it take for me to live to the age of 200?

We've already proven that each Hovering Machine of Doom lowers your life expectancy, so you'd somehow need to have negative 240 choppas (and UHC) to live that long. (It's scientifical: +6 = -3 years, so -240 would add +120 years.)

OK, this has me laughing out loud at work.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: villageidiot111
18,000 deaths highlight US's lack of universal healthcare
yet another example of why private healthcare sucks

More people die from seeing a doctor than do from not seeing a doctor, it would appear.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/11856.php

I guess if the uninsured want to increase their mortality rate they're welcome to it.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: villageidiot111
18,000 deaths highlight US's lack of universal healthcare
yet another example of why private healthcare sucks

More people die from seeing a doctor than do from not seeing a doctor, it would appear.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/11856.php

I guess if the uninsured want to increase their mortality rate they're welcome to it.

More people who see a doctor might see a doctor BECAUSE there is something wrong with them?

I think the biggest difference (between the US and the EU, that explains why you still pay more taxes per treated patient than we do even though you pay 3x that for insurance) is that if i would get the flue i wouldn't go to a doc, nor would i go to a doc unless my kids get a fever +40C while in the US you seem to check in with your doc six times a month is you have a runny nose, your butt hurts after drinking too much beer and getting a diahreea or simply feeling under the weather some day not to mention checkups every now and then.

I don't go to the doc unless i absolutely have to, i don't go for checkups, i don't go for anything except when i'm forced to.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
Perhaps the USA should opt for a two tier health care system. This involves private and public health care, though everyone still pays taxes for public wither you want to or not.

This is being debated in Canada where we have some problems with specialization (eg, trips to the USA) and long wait times. A private tier would help take a burden off of public HC and hopefully create centers for more specialized care. There will still be insurance for private health care, if you can afford it. So if you have the money you can still get the care you feel entitled to while taking a burden off the public system and no one is left to die because they are too poor. Heck, private costs might go down as they have to compete with the public system.

For Canadians the two major arguments against two tier health care is the "slippery slope", fewer and fewer things covered under UHC until all that is left is private and the "brain drain", how do you keep good doctors in public if private pays better.

We already have a 2 tier healthcare system. What we would need is what we have now but the 1st tier is a uhc style system. 2nd tier I doubt anyone on these forums can afford anyhow so the point is mute. We already have private insurance trying to dictate what a health care provider can be paid for a service. Lets remove the "money making" insurer and pay the providers more. Sure that fucks a lot of people who make money off others pain but I say fuck you to them.

Actually, the opposite is true.

In a 2 tier system private health insurance is cheap because expensive operations like a heart bypass are always done by the UHC.

I personally believe our (Australia's) system is the best model. UHC for everyone, and private health care for those that don't want to go on waiting lists for non-life threatening surgury.

My private health insurance costs about $100 a month. Our UHC is world class. We are world leaders in many fields, and we have a lot of medical tourism.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Actually, the opposite is true.

In a 2 tier system private health insurance is cheap because expensive operations like a heart bypass are always done by the UHC.

I personally believe our (Australia's) system is the best model. UHC for everyone, and private health care for those that don't want to go on waiting lists for non-life threatening surgury.

My private health insurance costs about $100 a month. Our UHC is world class. We are world leaders in many fields, and we have a lot of medical tourism.

Then 3 tier

The push back from trying to stop someone from taking cash only in their "brain operation business" if you will would be huge. The cream do and will take cash only. They won't let insurance dictate what they charge. These are the guys making 5 or more million a year doing 1 type of surgery that makes you like 4 months longer.

Honestly you give good examples and I would love to see such a system but we have to account for the ultra wealthy otherwise they will buy up sheeple and fight it.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Actually, the opposite is true.

In a 2 tier system private health insurance is cheap because expensive operations like a heart bypass are always done by the UHC.

I personally believe our (Australia's) system is the best model. UHC for everyone, and private health care for those that don't want to go on waiting lists for non-life threatening surgury.

My private health insurance costs about $100 a month. Our UHC is world class. We are world leaders in many fields, and we have a lot of medical tourism.

Then 3 tier

The push back from trying to stop someone from taking cash only in their "brain operation business" if you will would be huge. The cream do and will take cash only. They won't let insurance dictate what they charge. These are the guys making 5 or more million a year doing 1 type of surgery that makes you like 4 months longer.

Honestly you give good examples and I would love to see such a system but we have to account for the ultra wealthy otherwise they will buy up sheeple and fight it.

Err, we have that dude.

Insurance will cover what is reasonable, but you need to make up the rest if you want to go see some super doctor.

Lets say need a knee reconstruction. The insurance company will go "Ok, the average cost for a knee reconstruction is $12,000." If you want to see the best guy in the country who charges $24k, the insurance company will pay $12k and you need to kick in the rest.

Or if you don't have insurance you can pay the whole 24k out of your own pocket. Or you can go on a waiting list and get it done by UHC.

What did you think rich people did? What do you think our sports stars do? You reckon they just go see the dodgy town surgen when they tear a muscle? Hell no, they pay big bucks and go see the experts.

 

[GeezerMan]

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

I personally believe our (Australia's) system is the best model. UHC for everyone, and private health care for those that don't want to go on waiting lists for non-life threatening surgury.

My private health insurance costs about $100 a month. Our UHC is world class. We are world leaders in many fields, and we have a lot of medical tourism.

Get real man. You and I know the real reason for healthy Australians. It's a well kept secret:

Link

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

I personally believe our (Australia's) system is the best model. UHC for everyone, and private health care for those that don't want to go on waiting lists for non-life threatening surgury.

My private health insurance costs about $100 a month. Our UHC is world class. We are world leaders in many fields, and we have a lot of medical tourism.

Get real man. You and I know the real reason for healthy Australians. It's a well kept secret:

Link

No doubt.

That shit is awsome. Vegemite on toast. Mmm...

 

[GeezerMan]

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

I personally believe our (Australia's) system is the best model. UHC for everyone, and private health care for those that don't want to go on waiting lists for non-life threatening surgury.

My private health insurance costs about $100 a month. Our UHC is world class. We are world leaders in many fields, and we have a lot of medical tourism.

Get real man. You and I know the real reason for healthy Australians. It's a well kept secret:

Link

No doubt.

That shit is awsome. Vegemite on toast. Mmm...

I lived in Adelaide for a year back in 72'. I still remember my first, and last, taste of Vegemite. It's an acquired taste.