U.K. actress's death highlights Que.'s lack of medical helicopter

ProfJohn

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So the ENTIRE province of Quebec does not have ONE medical helicopter!!!

The entire PROVINCE!!!

That is an area with the population of seven million and a city with over a million people itself! And yet not one medical helicopter.

Orlando Florida with a population of a around one million has at least three medical helicopters.

I would say this yet another example of why government healthcare is a bad idea.

The death Wednesday of British actress Natasha Richardson after she tumbled on a Quebec ski hill is raising questions about the province's lack of an emergency helicopter system.

The wife of actor Liam Neeson, and member of the Redgrave acting dynasty, suffered what was at first deemed to be a minor fall Monday, while on a beginner's ski hill near Montreal.

Richardson, 45, refused to be taken to hospital after the accident, but her condition worsened about two hours later. The actress was then transported to a hospital in Sainte-Agathe, Que., a 40-minute ambulance ride from the Mont Tremblant ski resort.

After she was stabilized, Richardson was transferred to a Montreal trauma centre by ambulance, because, unlike most provinces, Quebec has no emergency helicopter system. The trip took about one hour while a helicopter ride would have carried her to Montreal in 15 minutes.

Trauma specialists have been warning of this lack of service for years, saying it could lead to unnecessary deaths.

"This is like not having a fire department in a community," said Dr. Tarek Razek, head of the trauma team at the McGill University Health Centre.

Timeliness is crucial after major head traumas, he stressed.

"You need to get to a trauma centre fast, and the faster we can organize that, the more likely you are to live," he said.

He stressed that Quebec is one of the few jurisdictions in North American and Europe that don't have emergency medevac helicopters.

"I'm really worried. What's going on? Why do we have this gap in our services?" he asked, adding even the smaller province of Nova Scotia has this service.

The Quebec Health Ministry has been studying the shortage of medical helicopters, and a report is expected to be handed down to the provincial government in "a few months."

"We are looking at what it would take to get that system in place, the cost and the impact of such services," said Andre Lizotte, co-ordinator of air health services and first respondents for the department.

The province has an air ambulance that takes patients who need urgent medical care, and another one will be added in 2010. But these planes are used for long distances, not to carry patients from an accident site to a hospital.

In Richardson's case, seven hours passed between her fall and her arrival at the specialized trauma hospital in Montreal.

The provincial coroner office said it has no intention of investigating the accident, since the actress died in New York.

Razek declined to comment on the Richardson case, but said the lack of medical helicopter service in the province is decreasing the likelihood that people will survive major traumas.

But paramedics said even a helicopter may not have saved Richardson, because it's difficult to tell if someone has seriously injured the brain in a fall.

"Yes, medical helicopters would be great but, in this case, I don't think it would have made a difference," said paramedic Yves Coderre of Ambulances Radisson, the company that serves Mont Tremblant.

He noted that his paramedic team sent to help Richardson minutes after her fall was turned away, and did not have a chance to check her injury.

"This is very frequent. We try to tell people that they could die from even a minor head trauma and they need to go to the hospital, but most times they laugh at us," he said.

A medical examiner said Thursday that Richardson's death was ruled an accident in which a "blunt impact to the head" caused an "epidural hematoma" ? a type of traumatic brain injury when blood builds up just below the skull. She was not wearing a helmet on the ski hill.
 

Craig234

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What's pathetic is tryingto turn one obscrue anecdote into a claim that it determines the issue of government versus private healthcare, but it's not unexpected, sadly.

Where are the conclusions about the private system's rate of death by infections in hospitals, rate of killing patients with prescribed medicine, outrageious insurance gouging?

Oh, that's right, you aren't discussing, you're propagandizing and only dealing with one side of the issue.
 

theeedude

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OK, fine, let's not have government health care, just universal single payer coverage.
 

OrByte

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"I would say this yet another example of why government healthcare is a bad idea."

Really? because I would say that it is yet another example of why the providence of Quebec needs a medi-copter.

duhhhhhhhh

 

sandorski

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Pathetic. Her death had nothing to do with a lack of a Helicopter to transport patients. Her initial refusal is what doomed her. If anything, they should have insisted she get medical attention.

edit: I see, having read it, that a Helicopter may have helped after all. I also see that Helicopters are common in Europe and most other places in North America. It seems your attempts of attacking Public HC are still Fail.
 

ProfJohn

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Why do you think Quebec doesn't have a medical helicopter???

Could it have anything to do with the fact that it is run by the government and the need to control costs by said government??

The state of Maine has TWO!!!! Medical helicopters!!! TWO for a state with a population similar to just the city of Quebec.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Why do you think Quebec doesn't have a medical helicopter???

Could it have anything to do with the fact that it is run by the government and the need to control costs by said government??

The state of Maine has TWO!!!! Medical helicopters!!! TWO for a state with a population similar to just the city of Quebec.

1 Province, read the article, this has nothing to do with Government run Healthcare.
 

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All the other provinces have such helicopters and government healthcare. It has nothing to do with the latter. She made two bad decisions: refusing to wear a helmet, refusing to go get checked immediately after her fall.
 

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Why do you think Quebec doesn't have a medical helicopter???

Could it have anything to do with the fact that it is run by the government and the need to control costs by said government??

The state of Maine has TWO!!!! Medical helicopters!!! TWO for a state with a population similar to just the city of Quebec.

Average life expectancy:
Maine : 77.6 years
Quebec : 80.6 years
 

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I knew someone on this board would come up with this "Socialized Medicine killed Natasha Richardson" argument; I didn't think it would take this long, and I didn't anticipate PJ being the one to make it.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
TWO for a state with a population similar to just the city of Quebec.

quebec is a province
Yes, it is in the OP.

The province has a population of 7 million and yet no medical helicopter.

Maine has 1.2 million and two medical helicopters. Why is that?
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
I knew someone on this board would come up with this "Socialized Medicine killed Natasha Richardson" argument; I didn't think it would take this long, and I didn't anticipate PJ being the one to make it.
Never claimed that socialized medicine killed her. A helicopter might not have made one bit of a difference.

But the fact that it was not even available is a yet another sign of what is wrong with government healthcare.
 

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Why do you think Quebec doesn't have a medical helicopter???

Could it have anything to do with the fact that it is run by the government and the need to control costs by said government??

The state of Maine has TWO!!!! Medical helicopters!!! TWO for a state with a population similar to just the city of Quebec.

it could be a million reasons

anything from the paperwork didn't get processed

to

The helicopters arent painted the right shade of red...

But you had to make the logical leap and blame it on government healthcare

:laugh: nice one dude!!
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
I knew someone on this board would come up with this "Socialized Medicine killed Natasha Richardson" argument; I didn't think it would take this long, and I didn't anticipate PJ being the one to make it.
Never claimed that socialized medicine killed her. A helicopter might not have made one bit of a difference.

But the fact that it was not even available is a yet another sign of what is wrong with government healthcare.

i don't see the jump
 

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
I knew someone on this board would come up with this "Socialized Medicine killed Natasha Richardson" argument; I didn't think it would take this long, and I didn't anticipate PJ being the one to make it.
Never claimed that socialized medicine killed her. A helicopter might not have made one bit of a difference.

But the fact that it was not even available is a yet another sign of what is wrong with government healthcare.

how is it a sign PJ?

can you make the direct correlation between government funded healthcare and the fact that this providence doesn't have a helicopter?

can you illustrate that for us please?

 

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
TWO for a state with a population similar to just the city of Quebec.
quebec is a province
Yes, it is in the OP.
The province has a population of 7 million and yet no medical helicopter.
Maine has 1.2 million and two medical helicopters. Why is that?
Why do you assume that if the province had medical helicopters that one would have been stationed close enough to Mont Tremblant to have significantly reduced Ms Richardson's transit time to the hospital?
 

theeedude

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
TWO for a state with a population similar to just the city of Quebec.

quebec is a province
Yes, it is in the OP.

The province has a population of 7 million and yet no medical helicopter.

Maine has 1.2 million and two medical helicopters. Why is that?

Did you even read the article? It says Quebec has 1 medical helicopter, and is getting another one. But whatever it is they spent the money on instead seems to be working, seeing how they have a 3 year higher life expectancy than Maine.
 

KK

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First thing I thought when I heard of her being brain dead was canada's government health care. I mean by the time she got to the hospital, I dunno how bad she was. Did they do a cat scan on her head, and if so, did they try to relieve the pressure immediately? I don't know if any of the details will be known, but I know I'd rather be in the US for treatment than anywhere else.
 

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I'd rather not have a medical helicopter if I could get UHC and save a boatload on premium/prescription costs every month.

I'm sure most residents of the US would agree.

The likelihood of ever needing or riding in a medical helicopter is much lower than the likelihood of needing inexpensive universal health care.
 

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Why do you think Quebec doesn't have a medical helicopter???

Could it have anything to do with the fact that it is run by the government and the need to control costs by said government??

The state of Maine has TWO!!!! Medical helicopters!!! TWO for a state with a population similar to just the city of Quebec.

Nova Scotia, a province of 900000 people and quite smaller then Maine in population has not 1 but TWO!!! helicopters. Nova Scotia uses social healthcare. What exactly is your point? Quebec chooses how to run their healthcare. As was pointed out earlier, this incident reflects how Quebec should get a readily available medical helicopter, not that government healthcare is bad. Your lack of logic astounds me.

In this article it's pointed out that her injuries and diagnosis at the time would not have been a case to use a helicopter, so the whole argument is moot anyways. Instead of it been about a helicopter, you would be blaming government healthcare for not getting help quickly enough anyways or misdiagnosing.

For every example you bring of government run healthcare being bad, I can bring up 10 examples of why privatized healthcare in the US is a monumental disaster.

BTW who foots the bill for those 2 amazing Maine medical helicopters you keep mentioning? Oh right the patient (insurance only covers so much)! Oops you didn't really need the helicopter, too bad, here's a 100000$ bill, see you later!
 

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Originally posted by: KK
First thing I thought when I heard of her being brain dead was canada's government health care. I mean by the time she got to the hospital, I dunno how bad she was. Did they do a cat scan on her head, and if so, did they try to relieve the pressure immediately? I don't know if any of the details will be known, but I know I'd rather be in the US for treatment than anywhere else.
Yes, Canada has CAT scan machines. No, they are not a third-world country.

Emergencies in Canada are treated as such; emergency wait times are similar to those found in US hospitals.

Would you rather be filling out insurance paperwork in a US hospital or getting treated in a Canadian one?

The only thing her death "highlights" is that you shouldn't refuse medical treatment after a fall on the slopes, like she did.