Type of lubrication an "oil free" air compressor uses?

[PhoKingGuy]

Here we go again

 

[grrl]

Nothing that has been posted to this forum by users who attempt to refute my statements has been an original thought. <snip>

When you have some scientific data to present, I'm sure ATOT would love to see it. However, looking through a chainlink fence at a pile of discarded tires doesn't count. Some people know you don't need to reinvent the wheel, but those are the same people who actually understand how knowledge is created and built upon.

I didn't realize we had tire engineers here on this forum. 😀 The fact that anything I say on this forum comes as a surprise, so much so that people think I'm a lunatic or a moron says a lot.

Like that people have you pegged?

I Oh and as for the 5psi thing, read some of my later posts where I update with news of my testing at 100psi. I realize it had a bleeder valve but I didn't feel comfortable with using it considering how forceful the release was at just 5 psi.

And yet you insist on telling people to inflate to sidewall.

 

[fleabag]

And yet you insist on telling people to inflate to sidewall.

Well the bleeder valve on the air compressor has a larger opening than the valve on your tire, so you can drain the compressor in a matter of seconds while the valve on a tire takes several minutes unless you remove the valve core.

 

[grrl]

Well the bleeder valve on the air compressor has a larger opening than the valve on your tire, so you can drain the compressor in a matter of seconds while the valve on a tire takes several minutes unless you remove the valve core.

You're nothing if not consistent, fleatard. Yet again you miss the main point.

 

[fleabag]

You're nothing if not consistent, fleatard. Yet again you miss the main point.

Oh, I know what your point is, however my concern about the 100psi was not about whether or not it would burst (though that is always a concern), the concern was about how I was going to release the air. There is a reason why the compressor's come with instructions warning you to protect yourself in every which way. Also, when you inflate anything, there is always a risk of a blowout, either with a dryrotted tire or a rusted out tank. Your point in null.

 

[grrl]

Oh, I know what your point is, however my concern about the 100psi was not about whether or not it would burst (though that is always a concern), the concern was about how I was going to release the air. There is a reason why the compressor's come with instructions warning you to protect yourself in every which way. Also, when you inflate anything, there is always a risk of a blowout, either with a dryrotted tire or a rusted out tank. Your point in null.

No, my point still stands, although I'll make a slight adjustment - you often either miss the point and/or fail to fully explain yourself.

 

[jeanclaude]

Well sure but they still need a crankcase for this. 😉

Oil less compressors are maintenance free as far as lubrication is concerned. You NEVER need to apply anything - as others have said they are permanently lubricated for life. If the intake filters are maintained (and most importantly left in place!) the pump should have an acceptable life span. Once you lose compression it's time to replace the pump. The oil less design is VERY loud in comparison to a slower speed lubricated pump. Many manufacturer's greatly exaggerate the power claims with these products as well. (in the home market)

A better compressor will have a crankcase at the bottom and is typically filled with common SAE "ash free" 30 weight oil or synthetic oil per manufacturer's recommendation. Better compressors (typically 5-30+ hp range multiple stage) most definitely use a positive displacement oil pump for pressurized lubrication - not much different than your car's engine. The Quincy QR-25 is one such model and these things are designed for 24/7 duty to 250 psig and 500 psig intermittently. If there was a "tank style" of compressor pump, it would be this one. :awe:

oh no. You had to cite your 'knowledge' and 'experience' in a clearly articulate and authoritative manner.

You have just all but guaranteed Fleabag fighting back with stupidity. It is essentially a Pavlovain response with him.

 

[jeanclaude]

See, this is how it works. I say something, you say something, you disagree, I disagree, you call me an idiot I call you an idiot.. what else is new...

the only thing new in this equation is you sucking another person in and bludgeoning them with your stubbornness and stupidity.

the topic and your inane obsession with max sidewall pressure is well document and a sad fact

 

[Meghan54]

If the DOT thinks the number printed on the tire (which btw is the DOT's own number) is safe to inflate the tires to that pressure,

Right there you show your ignorance completely. The DOT does NOT assign the numbers, wear ratings, or much of anything else on the sidewall of a tire. The DOT does assign a very few things found on the sidewall the tire manufacturers must follow, such as date of manufacture that's required to be placed on the tire, the tire manufacturer's code markings for the plant in which it was made, but does in no way assign psi ratings or wear ratings for tires.

Those ratings are derived by the tire manufacturers looking at what the DOT suggests and then determines what a specific rating is.

Take the tire wear ratings. The DOT has a set of guidelines how a 100 tire wear would be accomplished and leaves it up to the tire manufacturer to assign tire wear, such as 400 or 800, but the DOT has no influence in what the manufacturer puts on the sidewall in that respect. The DOT only puts out minimum ratings.

Same with temp/traction ratings. The minimum is "C". Anything above is up to the manufacturer to assign as "C" is the lowest rating, which the DOT has guidelines on. Ratings above "C" are determined and assigned by the manufacturer without any DOT influence or input.

It's the same with psi ratings. The DOT doesn't assign a damned thing with them. The tire manufacturer assigns them according to tire construction, design, materials used, etc.



And before you start ranting about how they do inspect everything, the government doesn't in most anything that's produced, made, etc.

Instead, the government sets guidelines for minimum standards. It's then up to the manufacturer to meet those standards for whatever is being made, be it medicine, food, cars, tires, whatever.

Now, manufacturers, outside food and medicines for the most part, are essentially left to their own devices and operate on the honor system. There aren't gov't. inspectors in each and every manufacturing plant 24/7, checking product continuously. Instead, sometimes random checks are performed, but for the most part production of goods, like tires, aren't done much until and unless there's a problem, then the inspections begin into the assembly and manufacture methods.

Consider, if everything was inspected all the time for quality/meeting minimum standards, you wouldn't have tires that explode/fail prematurely during routine use, you wouldn't have all the food that's been contaminated on the market, you wouldn't have medicines being taken off the market for sometimes fatal side effects.

Sorry, but government oversight of consumer goods is more reactive than proactive. The gov't sets standards, leaves it up to the manufacturers and makers to meet the standards; the manufacturers are assumed to be meeting those standards and are really only checked/investigated/looked into when there are problems.

 

[Gillbot]

You mean the whole forum which came to their answer based upon the same tired answers of a few people? I should just get a job a Michelin to shut you people up.

Please do, maybe then you'd learn something.

SNIP...No need to be a dickhead, SNIP....

You are about 1 click away from another garage vacation, knock it off. This is your last warning.

AT Mod
Gillbot

 

[jeanclaude]

I should just get a job a Michelin to shut you people up.

Too late failbag. Michelin already employs a big fat pasty overinflated white mascot. You would have been perfect for the job.

Personal attacks will not be tolerated
AT Mod
Gillbot

 

[Gillbot]

Too late failbag. Michelin already employs a big fat pasty overinflated white mascot. You would have been perfect for the job.

EVERYONE knock it off.
PERIOD.
AT Mod
Gillbot

 

[krylon]

This thread delivers

 

[Rubycon]

oh no. You had to cite your 'knowledge' and 'experience' in a clearly articulate and authoritative manner.

Don't worry, it will never happen again.

 

[Bignate603]

You mean the whole forum which came to their answer based upon the same tired answers of a few people? I should just get a job a Michelin to shut you people up.

Please let us know if that happens. It would probably affect my tire purchasing decisions.

 

[Stellar1024]

Lol. This thread is incredible and even though it's long dead, I can't help but wonder...

In regards to the original post -- Prior to asking such a question ("What kind of oil should I use in my oil free compressor?), wouldn't you at least look at the unit to determine how exactly to go about adding the oil? Since the oiless compressors don't have a filling port (or drain plug, crankcase, etc...), what was the plan for oil application?

-- Hold a quart 1 foot above unit, slowly pour oil onto compressor (use a funnel for less spillage!) even though it just splashes on the compressor, then drips to the floor, don't worry.. it will work. You should be over inflating those tires in no time! -- ??

It's okay to be ignorant. It's okay to be stupid. But to ask a stupid question, then fail miserably at trying to appear intelligent... well, that just makes you look exponentially more stupid and ignorant.

It's okay to fix things that you're better off replacing; just don't try to justify your logic to others when your decision is illogical. I feel a little bad for Fleabag, because I think he just wants people to tell him that he's really pro and that was a good job fixing that compressor.. but it's hard to tell complimentary lies when your arrogance is so badly misplaced buddy...

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Seriously... You have no idea of this guy's history. He is the originator of "inflate to sidewall for best grip and performance"

I was so happy when I first saw this post, I thought maybe fleabag was back.


Mods please don't lock.. I know it was dug up from the grave, but it was a good thread.

 

[Meghan54]

I just have to ask....what the heck are people searching for to get 3 year old or older threads to show, and why the need to post in them? This necro thread meme/thing is getting tiring.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I just have to ask....what the heck are people searching for to get 3 year old or older threads to show, and why the need to post in them? This necro thread meme/thing is getting tiring.

??

Looks to me like steller is interested in compressors, probably as a hobby. I'm guessing he ran across this thread and was compelled to post a reply.

We don't get many (any?) meme crap in the garage. And necros happen rarely, maybe once or twice per week. Most of the time the posts are relevant too.

Just my personal opinion, but any discussion should be considered a good thing. Hell, even the 'spam' necros typically invoke good conversation.

 

[DrPizza]

Came here expecting a spam bump for some site like Apluscompressors dot in, see a request to leave it unlocked; so for now, in case some interesting conversation happens, I'll leave it unlocked. Doubting that it will happen, the thread will probably be locked as a necro later.
-Admin DrPizza