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Two U.S. Soldiers in Killed in Iraq Bomb Attack
- Thread starter LilBlinbBlahIce
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imported_Aelius
Golden Member
Cause it aint them.
lilblind what is ur proposal? okay were in this mess, do you want to pull out now? if we pull out all hell breaks loose and be have an Al-Qaeda controlled country thats out to destroy us. If we stay we will continue to incur casualties, but at least give iraqis a chance to develop and a chance at democracy. and no if kerry gets elected im sure he wont pull out our troops either.
LilBlinbBlahIce
Golden Member
I never suggested pulling out and i know that doing so would be disastrous. It's just that when I make a terrible mistake, I tend to regret it, and no mistake of mine has ever brought bodily harm to anyone, thank god. Do you think any of the neo-cons loose any sleep when they hear about this kind of stuff? For the sake of humanity I really hope they do.
I think so, i really doubt any conservatives or liberals are happy about the casualties in Iraq. Its tragic. However, it is something that must be done. Its kinda like sending cops into a bad neighborhood and then the cops being killed. its something that we feel horrible about and try to support them. Im glad the senate voted today to increase our soldiers pay.
TheGameIs21
Golden Member
We sleep knowing that our plot to lower the population of the US and our Allies is going through just like we thought it would. Too bad it's not happening at a faster rate. I was sure we'd have hit 1K 6 months ago. Oh well....
This response is as stupid as your topic summary. Post without your "generalized" prejudices and you might be taken more seriously by your counterparts.
Until then... ON WITH THE DEATH AND OUR 8 HOURS OF SLEEP A NIGHT!!!!
This response is as stupid as your topic summary. Post without your "generalized" prejudices and you might be taken more seriously by your counterparts.
Until then... ON WITH THE DEATH AND OUR 8 HOURS OF SLEEP A NIGHT!!!!
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Holy mother of crap, no wonder folks in AT call P&N a cesspit. :shocked:
Just lost another local soldier from here, he was only 20 🙁 (This is Vietnam all over again)
7-21-2004 Second Albany soldier dies in Iraq
LIVINGSTON -- The small Livingston Parish town of Albany gave up a second son to Operation Iraqi Freedom earlier this week when an explosion killed U.S. Army Spc. Charles "C.C." Persing, 20, an Albany High School graduate.
Persing's convoy either struck a mine or was hit by a rocket or fire from heavy arms.
Persing was a member of the 10th Mountain Division, Infantry, U.S. Army, headquartered at Fort Drum in upstate New York. He also trained at Fort Benning, Ga., before being ordered to Iraq.
TheGameIs21
Golden Member
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Holy mother of crap, no wonder folks in AT call P&N a cesspit. :shocked:
Just lost another local soldier from here, he was only 20 🙁 (This is Vietnam all over again)
7-21-2004 Second Albany soldier dies in Iraq
LIVINGSTON -- The small Livingston Parish town of Albany gave up a second son to Operation Iraqi Freedom earlier this week when an explosion killed U.S. Army Spc. Charles "C.C." Persing, 20, an Albany High School graduate.
Persing's convoy either struck a mine or was hit by a rocket or fire from heavy arms.
Persing was a member of the 10th Mountain Division, Infantry, U.S. Army, headquartered at Fort Drum in upstate New York. He also trained at Fort Benning, Ga., before being ordered to Iraq.
HOLY MOTHER OF CRAP!!! No wonder people say AT P&N is the most out of context quoting place on the net!!! Read what I posted in context and then move on.
:disgust:
Baltazar325
Senior member
No one is happy to see American's get killed in Iraq. Do you think I was happy when I had a fraternity brother killed over there in May? Or that I dont worry about the 5 or so other friends that are over there right now? Of course I do.
However, I've also talked to these guys. They all tell me the same thing, we are doing our job. This what we signed up for. Hell, I even had one of them tell me that it was fun. He said that being in a firefight made him feel more alive than anything ever before. He also said that many of the troops under his command enjoyed it as well, until one of them got hurt. They arnt boo hooing over their situation.
I dont give a crap about the Iraqi people. I'll be the first to admit that I think it is fine that we are making our presence known in the Middle East. I dont care if it is to protect our oil interests.
I would rather us leave the festering cess pool just like it is and not have have any more American's bleed over there, but the reality is, we cannot.
However, I've also talked to these guys. They all tell me the same thing, we are doing our job. This what we signed up for. Hell, I even had one of them tell me that it was fun. He said that being in a firefight made him feel more alive than anything ever before. He also said that many of the troops under his command enjoyed it as well, until one of them got hurt. They arnt boo hooing over their situation.
I dont give a crap about the Iraqi people. I'll be the first to admit that I think it is fine that we are making our presence known in the Middle East. I dont care if it is to protect our oil interests.
I would rather us leave the festering cess pool just like it is and not have have any more American's bleed over there, but the reality is, we cannot.
sMiLeYz
Platinum Member
This my friend is called a No-win situation.
Billions of tax dollar money is being poured into this "cesspool", our soldiers are going to continue to be picked off one by one by radicals.
If we leave, the implications are too grave. Iraq could fall into civil war, and 10 years later we'll have either an Afghanistan or an Iran or our hands (both middle easterncountries were we intervened, that didnt turn out so well).
Mark my words, 10 years later Iraq wil bite us in the ass.
CIA warns of Civil war
For all those who lost thier lives or their loved ones to war.
:beer: For all those hanging in there in Afghan and Iraq.
Billions of tax dollar money is being poured into this "cesspool", our soldiers are going to continue to be picked off one by one by radicals.
If we leave, the implications are too grave. Iraq could fall into civil war, and 10 years later we'll have either an Afghanistan or an Iran or our hands (both middle easterncountries were we intervened, that didnt turn out so well).
Mark my words, 10 years later Iraq wil bite us in the ass.
CIA warns of Civil war
:beer: For all those hanging in there in Afghan and Iraq.
www.moveon.org is a communist org...support it and the iraq war will be the least of our problems.....secondly, "The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. Whenever evil wins, it is only by default: by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles. - Ayn Rand" the basic principle is that terrorists need to be confronted, and we need to wipe out the iraq insurgents ASAP
imported_Cybit
Member
Wow, here come the "if you aren't for us, you're a communist...". Wow, so anyone who's against your views is a communist? Ayn Rand would be rolling in his grave if he saw his quote used so badly. We've let evil spread by going into Iraq, we let it spread in Afghanistan, in Iran, in Pakistan, in North Korea, in Sudan. The neocons have been compromising their basic principles long before 9/11. Hey, let's go free Iraq, and let the genocide in Sudan continue, let Pakistan support its madrassas, let Iran's government suppress the up and coming democratic rebellion from the youth, let the terrorists get away in Afghanistan. We aren't confronting terrorists for the most part in Iraq, we're confronting nationalists. Bush and co gave up on confronting terrorists the day they invaded Iraq.
cybit....where do you come up with this? how are be spreading evil in afghanistan, iran etc. ?? You want us to do somehting about Sudan? go talk to France, they are the ones that are blocking the economic sanctions against the Sudanese govt. US is trying to stop the genocide there, what the hell are we supposed to do? and by the way moveon.org is known to be a communist org so you cant really say anything about that.
they have ties to the world socialist organization and the communist party of america or somerhign like that. i dont remember details. I also love how Soros is pouring money into moveon.org and bashing George Bush, whille Soros himself is responsible for single handedly causing the east asian market crisis in 1998 which resulted in massive unemployment and people losing their fortunes. Go to Thailand or Malaysia and see who is more popular there, Bush or Soros
Ozoned
Diamond Member
Sleep -Aid
ALI?S STOR Y Ali,* 36, an aircraft mechanic, was driving his family from Al Hillah to his farm in Mahawil on March 6, 1991, during the Shiite uprising after the end of the Gulf War. The city was being bombed. Ali was stopped at a military checkpoint outside the city near a brick factory and ordered to get out. His wife, newborn baby, and handicapped mother were ordered to drive away. Ali was ordered to remove his jacket, and uniformed men tied his hands and feet with his jacket and pieces of cloth and placed a blindfold over his eyes. Ali could still see through the blindfold, however, and saw about 12 other people, including men, women, children, and elderly, pulled from cars, bound, and blindfolded. They were dragged to a white Toyota Land Cruiser and piled on top of each other over the seats. No words were spoken, because when others attempted to speak they received severe blows to the head and body. It was approximately 10 a.m. when they arrived at the Mahawil military camp on the outskirts of the city. There they were unloaded, registered, and escorted into a large assembly hall filled with approximately 200 people.
Everyone was sitting on the floor with their hands and feet tied. They were blindfolded and positioned facing the walls. Ali was placed near the door and could see outside. At about 4:30 p.m., the military men built a large ring of tires about 20 feet wide and set it on fire. Next to the fire were large buses, and the soldiers began escorting people from the hall to the buses. At this time, people were also being carried out of the hall and thrown into the fire. Ali believes that because the military was in a hurry to execute them and not everyone would fit on the buses, they decided to burn some people alive. After about 30 minutes of witnessing this, he was escorted from the hall and loaded onto a bus. At approximately 6 p.m., they were taken on a short drive to a swampy area behind the brick factory. It was dark and he saw headlights in front of the buses. He believes the lights were headlights from the Land Cruisers driven by Saddam?s men. He could hear shots but not voices. Ali was paralyzed with fear. Everyone in the bus was blindfolded. After about 15 minutes, the bus in front of his drove away and the headlights were directly on his bus. They pulled seven to 10 people off the bus. Shots rang out. Ali?s group was the next to be pulled from the bus. In his group was a blind man, three brothers, a woman, and her five year old son. The group was led to the front of the bus where the headlights were directly on them. Survivor Stories The following testimonials are from survivors of executions that occurred outside Mahawil, a city north of Al Hillah, approximately 60 miles south of Baghdad. Iraqi women seek to identify remains of lost family members. An identification card found in a mass grave in Musayib. Remains unearthed in a mass reburial. * All names have been changed.
They were pushed to the ground and then were pulled up one at a time to be executed. They were pushed a couple of feet to the edge of the swamp and shot. Most would fall before being shot because they were over-come with fear. Ali does not remember any words being spoken?except the plea of the three brothers who begged that at least one be spared. They were executed one at a time. Next, the woman was shot in front of her five-year-old child. The child lunged at the legs of the executioner and was kicked away and shot in the face. The blind man was then executed and his chest exploded on Ali. There were three executioners. They took turns shooting and reloading. Ali was last in the group to be shot, and the soldier who was to execute Ali shot between his legs. The soldier was then shot dead by another soldier. During this commotion, Ali turned to the swamp, jumped over bodies, and ran through the water. They shot after him. He was hit in the left hand and foot and fell, breaking his nose. He continued on and made it to the other side of the swamp. A tractor with soldiers came in his direction looking for him, so he tossed his robe into the water and hid in a thicket of cane. The soldiers saw his robe and sprayed it with bullets thinking they had shot him. A bulldozer appeared next and began shoveling dirt on it to cover what they thought was his body. Ali was very near and was knocked unconscious by falling rocks, but he was not completely buried. When the bulldozer left, he pulled himself out of the dirt and crawled to an empty canal. He could still hear shots in the distance: a third bus had arrived during his escape. Ali crawled through the canal for about 30 minutes, making his way to a farmhouse. He knocked on the door, and was taken in by the family, which told him later that he ?was a piece of blood.? He doesn?t remember
much about the care they provided him except for the yogurt they fed him and the heater they placed near him. The family knew his uncles, so they clothed him, gave him a donkey and a cane, and told him to follow the canal to an uncle?s house. Ali made it there, and his uncle cleaned him and took him to Baghdad the next day. He hid there for one month without telling anyone except his uncle. He returned home to discover his two brothers had been executed in similar roundups. He left the neighborhood and changed his identity. He was also protected by an intelligence officer in his neighborhood. When Saddam was toppled, he resumed his identity after having been in hiding for over 12 years. He is a member of the Human Rights Association of Al Hillah.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Those who survived inside Iraq, and those who
watched helplessly from abroad, have joined
together to begin the long, painful process of
accounting for the dead. British Prime Minister
Tony Blair said on November 20, 2003, that as
many as 400,000 Iraqis lie in these mass graves.
They are Kurds, killed because of their ethnicity.
They are Shiites, killed because of their religion.
They are Sunnis, killed for their political views.
They are Egyptians, Kuwaitis, and Iranians,
killed because their lives meant nothing to
Saddam Hussein, his sons, and their followers.
ALI?S STOR Y Ali,* 36, an aircraft mechanic, was driving his family from Al Hillah to his farm in Mahawil on March 6, 1991, during the Shiite uprising after the end of the Gulf War. The city was being bombed. Ali was stopped at a military checkpoint outside the city near a brick factory and ordered to get out. His wife, newborn baby, and handicapped mother were ordered to drive away. Ali was ordered to remove his jacket, and uniformed men tied his hands and feet with his jacket and pieces of cloth and placed a blindfold over his eyes. Ali could still see through the blindfold, however, and saw about 12 other people, including men, women, children, and elderly, pulled from cars, bound, and blindfolded. They were dragged to a white Toyota Land Cruiser and piled on top of each other over the seats. No words were spoken, because when others attempted to speak they received severe blows to the head and body. It was approximately 10 a.m. when they arrived at the Mahawil military camp on the outskirts of the city. There they were unloaded, registered, and escorted into a large assembly hall filled with approximately 200 people.
Everyone was sitting on the floor with their hands and feet tied. They were blindfolded and positioned facing the walls. Ali was placed near the door and could see outside. At about 4:30 p.m., the military men built a large ring of tires about 20 feet wide and set it on fire. Next to the fire were large buses, and the soldiers began escorting people from the hall to the buses. At this time, people were also being carried out of the hall and thrown into the fire. Ali believes that because the military was in a hurry to execute them and not everyone would fit on the buses, they decided to burn some people alive. After about 30 minutes of witnessing this, he was escorted from the hall and loaded onto a bus. At approximately 6 p.m., they were taken on a short drive to a swampy area behind the brick factory. It was dark and he saw headlights in front of the buses. He believes the lights were headlights from the Land Cruisers driven by Saddam?s men. He could hear shots but not voices. Ali was paralyzed with fear. Everyone in the bus was blindfolded. After about 15 minutes, the bus in front of his drove away and the headlights were directly on his bus. They pulled seven to 10 people off the bus. Shots rang out. Ali?s group was the next to be pulled from the bus. In his group was a blind man, three brothers, a woman, and her five year old son. The group was led to the front of the bus where the headlights were directly on them. Survivor Stories The following testimonials are from survivors of executions that occurred outside Mahawil, a city north of Al Hillah, approximately 60 miles south of Baghdad. Iraqi women seek to identify remains of lost family members. An identification card found in a mass grave in Musayib. Remains unearthed in a mass reburial. * All names have been changed.
They were pushed to the ground and then were pulled up one at a time to be executed. They were pushed a couple of feet to the edge of the swamp and shot. Most would fall before being shot because they were over-come with fear. Ali does not remember any words being spoken?except the plea of the three brothers who begged that at least one be spared. They were executed one at a time. Next, the woman was shot in front of her five-year-old child. The child lunged at the legs of the executioner and was kicked away and shot in the face. The blind man was then executed and his chest exploded on Ali. There were three executioners. They took turns shooting and reloading. Ali was last in the group to be shot, and the soldier who was to execute Ali shot between his legs. The soldier was then shot dead by another soldier. During this commotion, Ali turned to the swamp, jumped over bodies, and ran through the water. They shot after him. He was hit in the left hand and foot and fell, breaking his nose. He continued on and made it to the other side of the swamp. A tractor with soldiers came in his direction looking for him, so he tossed his robe into the water and hid in a thicket of cane. The soldiers saw his robe and sprayed it with bullets thinking they had shot him. A bulldozer appeared next and began shoveling dirt on it to cover what they thought was his body. Ali was very near and was knocked unconscious by falling rocks, but he was not completely buried. When the bulldozer left, he pulled himself out of the dirt and crawled to an empty canal. He could still hear shots in the distance: a third bus had arrived during his escape. Ali crawled through the canal for about 30 minutes, making his way to a farmhouse. He knocked on the door, and was taken in by the family, which told him later that he ?was a piece of blood.? He doesn?t remember
much about the care they provided him except for the yogurt they fed him and the heater they placed near him. The family knew his uncles, so they clothed him, gave him a donkey and a cane, and told him to follow the canal to an uncle?s house. Ali made it there, and his uncle cleaned him and took him to Baghdad the next day. He hid there for one month without telling anyone except his uncle. He returned home to discover his two brothers had been executed in similar roundups. He left the neighborhood and changed his identity. He was also protected by an intelligence officer in his neighborhood. When Saddam was toppled, he resumed his identity after having been in hiding for over 12 years. He is a member of the Human Rights Association of Al Hillah.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Those who survived inside Iraq, and those who
watched helplessly from abroad, have joined
together to begin the long, painful process of
accounting for the dead. British Prime Minister
Tony Blair said on November 20, 2003, that as
many as 400,000 Iraqis lie in these mass graves.
They are Kurds, killed because of their ethnicity.
They are Shiites, killed because of their religion.
They are Sunnis, killed for their political views.
They are Egyptians, Kuwaitis, and Iranians,
killed because their lives meant nothing to
Saddam Hussein, his sons, and their followers.
TheGameIs21
Golden Member
No, No, No... You have it all wrong... It's because the neocons sleep better at night when people are being killed in an unjust war that the only political leader in the world that is in favor of is GWB.
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