Two Russian Airliners Crash

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: myusername

Witnesses reported seeing the plane explode before it crashed, the Russian news agency Interfax reported.

Move along! Nothing to see here! Happens all the time!

We will have to wait and see. Talk to any FAA or NTSB investigator they will tell you there is always a witness that reports flames or an explosion.

It will be interesting to see what comes of this. I highly doubt contaminiated fuel. The planes went down 100 miles form the airport. Typically when weather effects a jet aircraft it is usually on takeoff and landing where it is most susceptible. Had the fuel been a problem, there would have been plenty of time to radio and the plane can still be controlled wihtout engines running.

from the article:

However, Interfax quoted a Russian security source who said one of the planes, the Tu-154, transmitted a signal indicating a hijacking was under way before the plane crashed.

The source also told Interfax a criminal investigation has been opened in the case after an air traffic controller reported receiving information that an attack had been made on the crew of the second airliner.

how does one signal hijacking? is it a single distress button or is it a verbal command given? if its just a button type signal, im wondering if pilots crashing often panic and sort of over-react and push anything. although, i would imagine they are more disciplined than i would be to just start jamming buttons but being faced with imminent death is more than i can relate to.
if it was being hijacked, i imagine that the intent was not to crash it into the ground and that it was either the pilots "ok, crash it or run the risk of more damage than this plane of people" or just ill-prepared hijackers.
but, as stated, only time will tell.

 

[AndrewR]

Chechens also launched an assault on Grozny this past weekend (check BBC, article was on there). Presidential elections are coming up in Chechnya, and the rebels want to demonstrate that they are still fighting and viable despite what the Russians say.

THAT'S what they want to accomplish. No mystery here.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: PatboyX


how does one signal hijacking? is it a single distress button or is it a verbal command given? if its just a button type signal, im wondering if pilots crashing often panic and sort of over-react and push anything. although, i would imagine they are more disciplined than i would be to just start jamming buttons but being faced with imminent death is more than i can relate to.
if it was being hijacked, i imagine that the intent was not to crash it into the ground and that it was either the pilots "ok, crash it or run the risk of more damage than this plane of people" or just ill-prepared hijackers.
but, as stated, only time will tell.

from my recollection they enter a specific radio code on the panel

 

[Chadder007]

CNN is reporting now that they have found Explosives on board!!!
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/08/27/russia.planecrash/index.html

 

[GoPackGo]

An Al-Queda linked group is claming responsiblilty....

They are helping ensure the re-election of Bush.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
An Al-Queda linked group is claming responsiblilty....

They are helping ensure the re-election of Bush.

Cool, by effectively making the world an even more unsafe place to live the Dub reaps the rewards from his mistakes and gets re-elected. To bad the Dub was distracted from the war against terror with his excellent adventure in Iraq because we might have been able to effectively combat terrorism instead of alienating potential allies in the war against terrorism.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
An Al-Queda linked group is claming responsiblilty....

They are helping ensure the re-election of Bush.

Cool, by effectively making the world an even more unsafe place to live the Dub reaps the rewards from his mistakes and gets re-elected. To bad the Dub was distracted from the war against terror with his excellent adventure in Iraq because we might have been able to effectively combat terrorism instead of alienating potential allies in the war against terrorism.

So Bush should have sent troops into Russia? The war on terrorism is more than just a US Problem....Perhaps one day the rest of the world will see that.

Or are you saying that all terrorists are in or come from Afghanistan?...if so wouldn't it have been easier/cheaper to nuke them off the face of the earth?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

So Bush should have sent troops into Russia?

Hmmm.. after re-reading my post I can assure you that I did not say that.

The war on terrorism is more than just a US Problem....Perhaps one day the rest of the world will see that.

They realize it , especially in Russia, Spain, Africa and Asia!

Or are you saying that all terrorists are in or come from Afghanistan?...if so wouldn't it have been easier/cheaper to nuke them off the face of the earth?

Again after re-reading my post I don't see where I stated that either. You must have some sort of reading comprehension disorder.

 

[tec699]

The war on terrorism is more than just a US Problem....Perhaps one day the rest of the world will see that.

The world already know they face a terrorism problem. Europe has faced it for years and now it seems that the terrorist have gotten more brazen and their attacks are more deadly. It's America that didn't and couldn't comprehend what terrorist are capable of doing.

Your reaction is typical.

Anyway, it saddens me to see so many people in grief. We as civilized people need to form a strike unit and their main objective should be to infiltrate and wipe out these terrorist scum bags.


sigh...

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Chadder007
CNN is reporting now that they have found Explosives on board!!!
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/08/27/russia.planecrash/index.html

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
An Al-Queda linked group is claming responsiblilty....

They are helping ensure the re-election of Bush.

So Al-Qaida is showing they can still pick off Commercial Airlines. Sad but how does that ensure Bush's re-election???

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: PatboyX


how does one signal hijacking? is it a single distress button or is it a verbal command given? if its just a button type signal, im wondering if pilots crashing often panic and sort of over-react and push anything. although, i would imagine they are more disciplined than i would be to just start jamming buttons but being faced with imminent death is more than i can relate to.
if it was being hijacked, i imagine that the intent was not to crash it into the ground and that it was either the pilots "ok, crash it or run the risk of more damage than this plane of people" or just ill-prepared hijackers.
but, as stated, only time will tell.

from my recollection they enter a specific radio code on the panel

Not sure about Russian aircraft, but on U.S. aircraft you must enter a 4 digit code into the aircrafts transponder. I suspect the Russian aircraft would be similar since this is an internationally used code. But as we all see now all indications were that is was indeed a terrorist attack. I don't imagine that the intention was ever to take hostages but merely to down the aircraft.

 

[conjur]

AP Article:
Explosives Found in Russian Jet Wreckage
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040827/D84NJE700.html

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
An Al-Queda linked group is claming responsiblilty....

They are helping ensure the re-election of Bush.

Cool, by effectively making the world an even more unsafe place to live the Dub reaps the rewards from his mistakes and gets re-elected. To bad the Dub was distracted from the war against terror with his excellent adventure in Iraq because we might have been able to effectively combat terrorism instead of alienating potential allies in the war against terrorism.

First off, AQ can claim it all they want, but it wasn't them unless they were working in concert with the Chechens. It's happened before but nevertheless this problem is between Russia and Chechnya, not the US (or even Europe, Australia, etc.) and AQ. Somehow pegging this on Bush, when the Chechen problem first started in earnest in 1994 when the Russians invaded to quell the rebellion, goes beyond stupid to the land of partisan ignorance. Further, Russia doesn't WANT help with the Chechens because it would be tantamount to an admission that they cannot control what they have always termed a domestic, internal problem.

Does this help Bush in the election? I don't think so because most people can't find Russia on a map and think Chechnya is a brand of vodka.

 

[zephyrprime]

Originally posted by: conehead433
Might not be too smart for any Muslims to instigate terrorists attacks against Russia. There is a reason you don't hear about too many of such attacks. The Russians had caught some Muslim terrorists before and castrated them before sending them to meet Allah. This didn't bode well for the muslims who believed they would be servicing virgins when they met up with Allah.

Actually there are a lot of terrorist attacks against the russions by islamists. This is because of the whole chechnia thing.