Two questions...

[EliteRetard]

Oh and if you don't mind an AMD/ATI alternative, the 7850 under $250 is a good buy. Closer to $100 the 6870 or 7770 are also fine.

 

[Zachboy]

Hm alright...how about this one: http://www.austin.net.au/ProductLis.../104/Default.aspx?ProductCode=GCGTX570GLH1.2G for $349?

I'm afraid that retailers here don't sell the old GTX480s anymore....

http://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?InventoryItemID=609414&CategoryID=259 - $275?

http://www.austin.net.au/ProductList/ProductDetail/tabid/104/ProductCode/GCGTX580MARS2/Default.aspx - $1399? Hahaha - just kidding...

http://www.austin.net.au/ProductList/ProductDetail/tabid/104/ProductCode/GC69702GSA/Default.aspx - $399?

http://www.austin.net.au/ProductList/ProductDetail/tabid/104/ProductCode/GC6970GA2GD/Default.aspx - $385?

http://www.austin.net.au/ProductList/ProductDetail/tabid/104/ProductCode/GC69702GSAGAME/Default.aspx - $369?

hm...well...what I am looking for is a graphics card with a good cooling system....most cheaper ones have fans just on top....I'd prefer ones that just exhaust the heat out the rear rather than leaving that job to my rear fan.....it's actually tight in there...

Like a watermelon being squeezed through a garden hose ?

The 580/670 will "not" be able to run its full potential due to the cpu slowing it down.

CMIW

Hey, if the material made into the hose is "stretchable" you can with ease. How much of it will it run maximum with that CPU? 70% of its capacity? 80?



Errr, any of those any good?

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[Smartazz]

Hm alright...how about this one: http://www.austin.net.au/ProductLis.../104/Default.aspx?ProductCode=GCGTX570GLH1.2G for $349?

I'm afraid that retailers here don't sell the old GTX480s anymore....

http://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?InventoryItemID=609414&CategoryID=259 - $275?

http://www.austin.net.au/ProductList/ProductDetail/tabid/104/ProductCode/GCGTX580MARS2/Default.aspx - $1399? Hahaha - just kidding...

http://www.austin.net.au/ProductList/ProductDetail/tabid/104/ProductCode/GC69702GSA/Default.aspx - $399?

http://www.austin.net.au/ProductList/ProductDetail/tabid/104/ProductCode/GC6970GA2GD/Default.aspx - $385?

http://www.austin.net.au/ProductList/ProductDetail/tabid/104/ProductCode/GC69702GSAGAME/Default.aspx - $369?

hm...well...what I am looking for is a graphics card with a good cooling system....most cheaper ones have fans just on top....I'd prefer ones that just exhaust the heat out the rear rather than leaving that job to my rear fan.....it's actually tight in there...

Hey, if the material made into the hose is "stretchable" you can with ease. How much of it will it run maximum with that CPU? 70% of its capacity? 80?



Errr, any of those any good?

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My 6870 was pretty badly bottlenecked by a 3.2GHz Core 2 Quad, so these cards are going to be horribly bottlenecked.

 

[pcm81]

So I cannot go more than 4 GPUs per computer? So what happens if I stuck in 4 GTX590s or 690s and SLI them four together on a MB that can support Quad-SLI?

Hm...so don't bother getting a GTX580/670 and get a GTX460 instead? I'd upgrade the CPU if they still sold the LGA775 compatible processors....that are better than the current of course

They're not that old....2010....2 years...not that old....and I don't mind power consumption as I have a 850W PSU installed on that computer and I doubt a single card will break that barrier. ...though electricity bill is another question....I was actually expecting and hoping to stick in an "Enthusiast" graphics card in that build....

They are just as old as my 6990s... 40nm is old news...

 

[Gordon Freemen]

They are just as old as my 6990s... 40nm is old news...

I don't get you guy's with your claims that slightly older hardware is no good I mean is a GTX 580 slow no sir it is not slow by any stretch and it's on 40nm. Consider your point redundant because 40nm is most certainly not especially with the price drops that tend to come when the new and shiny stuff comes out.

 

[Skurge]

My 6870 was pretty badly bottlenecked by a 3.2GHz Core 2 Quad, so these cards are going to be horribly bottlenecked.

My i3 bottlenecked my 6870 a while back. It's even worse with the new card.

 

[Zachboy]

Are you guys kidding me??? If the "newer" CPUs still bottlenecked those kinds of cards...than what kind of card can I still get, yet still get a reasonable 60 fps in any game at 1600x1200 resolution and at max graphics settings too, that won't be bottlenecked by my CPU??!! Let me guess...the Geforce 8 series or maybe the HD 4xxx series? I can't get those cards......they're discontinued....and no shops sell them any more.....:'(

EDIT:

...the other day...was playing M2 WiF and I think my CPU is choking my GTS250.....and I set everything on max graphics settings......getting an average of 36 to 40 ish fps overall not counting the menu and submenu (Where I get around 100 to 150 fps, I put V-sync on to cram it down to 75 fps). With V-sync off I get around 38 to 42 ish...sometimes yet drops to around 20 when driving real fast....now I am getting the feeling that my CPU on my other computer is choking my GTS250 on the other computer....either that or the game's more CPU bound then GPU bound....And that's at 1280x1024 resolution...can't go any higher as my monitor doesn't support it....otherwise I would...

I thought I might add that in if that relates to any of this...

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[Gordon Freemen]

My i3 bottlenecked my 6870 a while back. It's even worse with the new card.

Your i3 is a dual core that's why it bottlenecked and even then it most likely didn't and when it did it was a very few CPU intensive crappy console port jobs like GTA 4.

 

[Jaydip]

What?SC2 or Civilization V is not a crappy console port and yet they will be heavily bottlenecked by a dual core cpu.

 

[Zachboy]

What?SC2 or Civilization V is not a crappy console port and yet they will be heavily bottlenecked by a dual core cpu.

Erm...well I don't plan to buy CV or SC2 yet...I only want this build to play games like these:

- GTA 4 + expansion pack
- M2: WiF
- TES 5: Skyrim
- TES 4: GoTY
- Dragon Age: Ultimate Edition
- Dragon Age 2 + DLC
- Assassins Creed 3 (When it comes out)
- BioShock 1 and 2
- Test Drive Unlimited 1 and 2
- Left 4 Dead 2
- Age of Empires 3: Complete Collection
- Saints Row 2 and The Third
- Borderlands: GoTY
- FarCry 1 and 2
- S.T.A.L.K.E.R Clear Sky
- Wheelman
- The Command and Conquer SAGA
- Juiced 2: HiN
- Ruse
- Singularity
- Dead Island
- TLoTR: Conquest and also War in the North
- TLoTR: Battle for Middle Earth 2 + Expansion pack
- Duke Nukem Forever!
- Dawn of War 2
- Brothers in Arms - Hell's Highway
- Kane and Lynch 2 - Dog Days
- Hawx
- Mass Effect
- Mass Effect 2 + DLC
- Medal of Honour
- Portal 2
- Quake Wars: Enemy Territory
- Crysis Maximum Edition
- The Witcher 2: Premium Edition
- Call of Juarez: The Cartel

Yes...all those listed are the games I've bought retail (except Assassins Creed 3) and will be the games I will throw at that rig to play with...I am sure the GTX580 or now GTX670 as you guys recommend getting will breeze through them all at max graphics settings running at 1600x1200 resolution or maybe higher?

Oh and warn me if any of those games listed will be "choked" back by the graphics card due to my "crappy" Intel Core 2 DUO E6750....

Thanks.

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[pcm81]

Erm...well I don't plan to buy CV or SC2 yet...I only want this build to play games like these:

- GTA 4 + expansion pack
- M2: WiF
- TES 5: Skyrim
- TES 4: GoTY
- Dragon Age: Ultimate Edition
- Dragon Age 2 + DLC
- Assassins Creed 3 (When it comes out)
- BioShock 1 and 2
- Test Drive Unlimited 1 and 2
- Left 4 Dead 2
- Age of Empires 3: Complete Collection
- Saints Row 2 and The Third
- Borderlands: GoTY
- FarCry 1 and 2
- S.T.A.L.K.E.R Clear Sky
- Wheelman
- The Command and Conquer SAGA
- Juiced 2: HiN
- Ruse
- Singularity
- Dead Island
- TLoTR: Conquest and also War in the North
- TLoTR: Battle for Middle Earth 2 + Expansion pack
- Duke Nukem Forever!
- Dawn of War 2
- Brothers in Arms - Hell's Highway
- Kane and Lynch 2 - Dog Days
- Hawx
- Mass Effect
- Mass Effect 2 + DLC
- Medal of Honour
- Portal 2
- Quake Wars: Enemy Territory
- Crysis Maximum Edition
- The Witcher 2: Premium Edition
- Call of Juarez: The Cartel

Yes...all those listed are the games I've bought retail (except Assassins Creed 3) and will be the games I will throw at that rig to play with...I am sure the GTX580 or now GTX670 as you guys recommend getting will breeze through them all at max graphics settings running at 1600x1200 resolution or maybe higher?

Oh and warn me if any of those games listed will be "choked" back by the graphics card due to my "crappy" Intel Core 2 DUO E6750....

Thanks.

1. a card being chocked by CPU does not mean poor performance... my 2x 6990s are bottlenecked by my 980X at 4.4GHz...
2. Most games run on 1 CPU core, so my $1000 6 core CPU is not worth $1000 for gaming, since only 1 core is used by the game. As long as you remember to not have CPU intense tasks runing in back ground your 6750 will be ok... but you will not be getting max FPS that your video card is capable of. I'd guess you can hit 20 fps in all those games with no AA enables and limited draw distance using pretty much any video card with your cpu. Once you turn up anti-aliasing and draw distance things will be messy.

GTX 670 or 580 should give you 40+ fps on all those games even while chocked by your cpu. Assuming you dont have background tasks chocking the cpu itself. I personally would not buy 580 for that cpu. You would be getting performance not much better than 560...

 

[Zachboy]

1. a card being chocked by CPU does not mean poor performance... my 2x 6990s are bottlenecked by my 980X at 4.4GHz...

Wow....and what would that make my E6750 with a GTX 580 be?

2. Most games run on 1 CPU core, so my $1000 6 core CPU is not worth $1000 for gaming, since only 1 core is used by the game.

Um..some now....current games utilizes more than one CPU core.

As long as you remember to not have CPU intense tasks runing in back ground your 6750 will be ok...

On my other build...I got less than 22 processes running in the background including my AV....but I since that computer connected to the internet, I tend to "disable" it as it sucks up CPU usage.

but you will not be getting max FPS that your video card is capable of. I'd guess you can hit 20 fps in all those games with no AA enables and limited draw distance using pretty much any video card with your cpu. Once you turn up anti-aliasing and draw distance things will be messy.

Yeah, when I first started out Saints row 2, I got 20fps and most of the times less than that at max graphics settings on 1024x768 resolution on my GTS250......and I was like "Wow, must be a very intense hardware required game..." - Like Juiced 2 HiN; that game, of all the computers I've tested all I get is less than 30fps and stuttering gameplay!! What the hell? I've surpassed even it's "recommended" system requirements and yet I get "stuttering" gameplay?? What is this? I know J2 limits its fps to 30 though. (If you could help me on this, I would be glad..if not then don't worry...hopefully my next build "should" be able to take J2 on with no stuttering gameplay whatsoever...(I guess then I added more than two questions if you help me on that one...still, I'm the one who started the thread so I can change it...Hehehe:sneaky) I thought that build could've at least met the 40fps mark....I was wrong....

GTX 670 or 580 should give you 40+ fps on all those games even while chocked by your cpu. Assuming you dont have background tasks chocking the cpu itself. I personally would not buy 580 for that cpu. You would be getting performance not much better than 560...

Ooh - more than 40+ constant fps at max graphics and at at least a resolution of 1600x1200? That would be a good enough investment...at least doing it better than my GTS250.....

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[pcm81]

Ooh - more than 40+ constant fps at max graphics and at at least a resolution of 1600x1200? That would be a good enough investment...at least doing it better than my GTS250.....

You have to realize that the HALO cards like 580, 680, 6970, 7970 and their sandwich cousins are meant to run 25 FPS on Eyefinity setups, that is resolutions of 5600+ x 1600+. That is a crapload more pixels than what you are using...

 

[Don Karnage]

How did a 2100 bottleneck a 6870? What game was it bottlenecked in?

 

[pcm81]

How did a 2100 bottleneck a 6870? What game was it bottlenecked in?

Minesweeper.

 

[Zachboy]

You have to realize that the HALO cards like 580, 680, 6970, 7970 and their sandwich cousins are meant to run 25 FPS on Eyefinity setups, that is resolutions of 5600+ x 1600+. That is a crapload more pixels than what you are using...

No...I honestly did not know that....most graphics cards have more than one display port, so aren't they also meant to run too?

.....Eyefinity is a three monitor setup, right? That's what I always thought it was...correct me if I am wrong.

"sandwich cousins"...?

 

[Jaydip]

Minesweeper.

:biggrin:

 

[Jaydip]

No...I honestly did not know that....most graphics cards have more than one display port, so aren't they also meant to run too?

.....Eyefinity is a three monitor setup, right? That's what I always thought it was...correct me if I am wrong.

"sandwich cousins"...?

I think he means 570,670,6950,7950

 

[aaksheytalwar]

Honestly, I have tried running fast gpus with a slow CPU.

Bottom line
With a core 2 duo you won't be able to tell the difference whether you are running a single 590 or even 570 in many games or whether you are running 2 690s. It will be practically equally bad for playable purposes.

For you
C2d plus 580 single is worse than core i5 2500k plus gtx 560 ti in most games

And if a 2500k gets a 590 it will pwn a 690 quad sli with ur c2d

 

[Zachboy]

I think he means 570,670,6950,7950

...um, ok...what about the 590, 690 and 6990? - Where do they come in? Did you forgot to add those it as well?

Honestly, I have tried running fast gpus with a slow CPU.

Bottom line
With a core 2 duo you won't be able to tell the difference whether you are running a single 590 or even 570 in many games or whether you are running 2 690s. It will be practically equally bad for playable purposes.

For you
C2d plus 580 single is worse than core i5 2500k plus gtx 560 ti in most games

And if a 2500k gets a 590 it will pwn a 690 quad sli with ur c2d

Hm....yes...but I haven't got any of those cards yet........I am planning on buying at least one of them and stick them in.....I can't buy more than one as the MB doesn't support SLI.....though...I could "stock" up for my next build....

Ahhh, it's been a while.....I think I missed too much......

Otherwise what am I going to use this build for, considering the fact it's only got onboard graphics chip and has a spare PCIE slot? I might replace this with my old HTPC...but that will mostly likely not happen unless I get my next gaming build..(Hopefully soon....)...which will cost me a *lot*....

I also wanna experience what you did...a crap CPU with a badass GPU! I think my last build was "balance"....I think.....now I wanna try to "unbalance" it and see if there's any difference. :biggrin:

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[Jaydip]

...um, ok...what about the 590, 690 and 6990? - Where do they come in? Did you forgot to add those it as well?


Hm....yes...but I haven't got any of those cards yet........I am planning on buying at least one of them and stick them in.....I can't buy more than one as the MB doesn't support SLI.....though...I could "stock" up for my next build....

Ahhh, it's been a while.....I think I missed too much......

Otherwise what am I going to use this build for, considering the fact it's only got onboard graphics chip and has a spare PCIE slot? I might replace this with my old HTPC...but that will mostly likely not happen unless I get my next gaming build..(Hopefully soon....)...which will cost me a *lot*....

I also wanna experience what you did...a crap CPU with a badass GPU! I think my last build was "balance"....I think.....now I wanna try to "unbalance" it and see if there's any difference. :biggrin:

Sorry I missed the sandwich part.It should be 590,6990,690,7990

 

[Zachboy]

Sorry I missed the sandwich part.It should be 590,6990,690,7990

Ah. The 7990 isn't out yet...so it's not included..yet...

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[pcm81]

Ah. The 7990 isn't out yet...so it's not included..yet...

Sandwich cards are the dual GPU cards.
Many non-HALO cards can run more than one monitor, you just cant play graphically intense video games on them.

 

[Zachboy]

Sandwich cards are the dual GPU cards.
Many non-HALO cards can run more than one monitor, you just cant play graphically intense video games on them.

Oh. ..still 25fps...seems almost like a "slide-show" to me....I honestly can't bare gaming at less than 33 to 37 fps, let alone game at 25!...but they are still playable at that rate....though I am used to around the high 50s to 80s and beyond if I don't have "vsync" on....of course I sacrifice visual quality to get those numbers....

Okay....I'll think on the GTX 580...or the 670.....I am really eager to buy a nice "enthusiast" graphics card....never had one at that level before...unless you count the GTS250(Which is derived from the 9800GTX+)?

As for the other question....so to clear this up; is it or is it not possible to have more than two dual core graphics card in one system? To me, physically no, provided that the motherboard of course has more than two PCIE slots...but what about in terms of software use(which I wasn't clear of)? - Will the OS detect it? Will it use the full potential of more than two dual core graphics cards?

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[3DVagabond]

Oh. As for the other question....so to clear this up; is it or is it not possible to have more than two dual core graphics card in one system? To me, physically no, provided that the motherboard of course has more than two PCIE slots...but what about in terms of software use(which I wasn't clear of)? - Will the OS detect it? Will it use the full potential of more than two dual core graphics cards?

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No. Four GPU's (doesn't matter if it's 4 single GPU cards, or, 2 dual GPU cards) is the limit for crossfire or SLI.