two nf7-s v2 boards. are you f* serious?

[Sokratz]

So... sifting through posts all week trying to figure out my can't go over ~200fsb I see there are perhaps two different revisions of the nf7-s v2 boards. I guess there is a color difference or something but that's subjective. I've read that the cpu socket arm on the newer (and the crappier boards w/high fsb problems) is plastic. The older board is supposed to have a metal arm. The older board I hear is made up of better quality stuff, mosfets etc which help out w/oc'ing on most of them. The newer is supposedly a mostly junk board with a few good ones.

So folks, what are your arms made up of?

Thanks,
Sokratz

 

[Todd33]

Flab, flesh and bone mostly.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Flab, flesh and bone mostly.

 

[SynthDude2001]

I'd look, but I'm really lazy.

 

[magratton]

hehe, can't see pst my thermalright heatsink

 

[4x4expy]

Plastic arm on mine. It is nearly a year old though. And BTW, I have never had much luck with fsb past 200. But it has been running my 1700+ at 12x200 for about 10months without issue and still feels like a rocket.

 

[Rafael]

HHmmmm interesting info that...

I gonna check mine when I get home. But it's been very hard to get very stable over FSB 200 Mhz.
Running right now 211 Mhz x 10,5 cas 2. Even with VDIMM @ 2.9V it failed on me on prime95. I gonna try later CAS 2.5, I'm running Corsair XMS 3200, BH-5 chips.

Raf

 

[hytek369]

true, i had 4 boards over the last year. i had one metal arm board and it was the best. i gave up on the rest of the boards and ended up with a DFI Lanparty (metal arm)

 

[Sokratz]

If it's true that they have 2 nf7-s boards I'd like to strangle someone. Why can't one be 2.1 and 2.2. *sigh*.

 

[magratton]

I could not get my board running 210 x 11.5 to be stable; i tried up to 1.8 vcore That just didnt seem worth it to me given 200x12 is perfectly stable at 1.65v. Okay so what if I am not taking advantage of my PC3500 ram.... *sigh* I may try again this weekend. BTW: I saw a post from Jeff7181 that he says his RAM is unstable at 200+ FSB when pushed ABOVE 2.6v. Curious, as we have the same RAM. I may try dropping it to 2.6 and see if that makes a difference.

 

[4x4expy]

I have thought all along that it had to do with the stock NB cooling. I just never felt that it was worth the extra time and $ to lap the NB and go to water cooling for a small boost in FSB that would likely end up in lower mhz due to changing multis. I have been so satisfied with my rigs performance at 12x200 that I promised myself I would run it for a year, then look at what is available. (It was my 4th mb/cpu combo in 4 months and I was burning some serious cash.)

 

[Rafael]

OK just got home. Checked the pics I had here that I took of my mobo. It's metal.

Could be the north bridge cooling holding me back? Strange that @ 200 Mhz it runs like a charm. Even though now its running fine, stable, didnt crash yet @ 211 Mhz VDIMM 2.9 and VCORE 1.675. Running UD 24/7. But I got errors in Prime.

Raf

 

[11427]

I doubt it,... I've got my temps down to 42 C. at 100% load and even added a 40mm fan on top of the NB heatsink, still cannot run over 205 fsb.

 

[Sokratz]

I had slapped a fan on the nb monster copper heatsink but didn't help me at all. thing never got warm in the first place.

I did the try 3.3 rail mod. Even though the antec 430 pumps out a sweet 3.6 measured via multimeter, bios only read 3.24 which is low in my opinon. So I upped the rail to 4.0 which is ~3.6 via winbond manager. I also cranked that fricken voltage up to 1.95. *damn the man*. I can hit 13x208 2-2-3-11 prime95 stable for about 5 hrs or so, then it fails out. I don't think i care anymore. at 12.5 and 1.95 the best i can do is 210, and at 11, and down it's still 210 so i figuer 13 at 208 is better than 12.5 at 210 but at 13 it's 43/44 load which is starting to make me feel unhappy. On keeping with the reading i've seen more and more bad pub about the new plastic-armed v2s. almost tempted to try and get my artic silver adhesive'd heatsinks off and return it. on the other hand. perhaps not.

 

[Zebo]

Yes they are very different. check out this thread Text

 

[Sokratz]

this is *bs*. anybody know a handy way to get artic silver adhesive off so i can rma this ? haha. /me is doomed. ohwell, I'm not as bad off as the poor sap who can't run under 40C at near stock. guess I'll just have to give up.

thanks for the info, I'm hoping to draw this thing to a conclusion this weekend and I'll post the whole kit-n-kaboodle.

Sokratz

 

[magratton]

*sigh* Well, 200x12@1.65v is not bad.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Sokratz
this is *bs*. anybody know a handy way to get artic silver adhesive off so i can rma this ? haha. /me is doomed. ohwell, I'm not as bad off as the poor sap who can't run under 40C at near stock. guess I'll just have to give up.

thanks for the info, I'm hoping to draw this thing to a conclusion this weekend and I'll post the whole kit-n-kaboodle.

Sokratz

That's going to be a BITCH. What you need to do next time is mix:

1 part regualr arctic silver
1 part of each AS adhesive tube

Then it's easier to remove after putting it in the frezzer.

You can still do the frezzer "trick" but be prepared to apply some serious force to actually pry it off. I would use a twisting motion on the HS do not pry "up".

 

[magratton]

BTW: Sokratz, ran into your post on the ABit forum. They are clearly missing the point. Sad really. :beer:

 

[Rafael]

No joy here!!! Crashed after 14 hours running.

Well I gonna try relaxed timing later. I think 200 x 12 is great magratton!

My mobo is exactly like the text of Zebo posted it. But mine got a metal arm. So I got a question, is this the bad version of it? Seems like it's a lottery, plastic arm or metal!

Thank you guys!

Raf

 

[chinkgai]

yeah i recently bought a mobo from frys, it was open box from earlier this year, and it had a metal arm, but the bios chip was missing :disgust:

so i had to go back and do an exchange for a brand new one, unopen box. i can confirm that the older board had a different fan as well as those other differences listed on that oc site. kinda sucks that its a worst quality...rargh....as soon as i order my xp-m i'll post my results...altho i dont think i'll be able to go that high anyways on my pc2700 ram hahah

well u'll see me later

 

[magratton]

Originally posted by: Rafael
No joy here!!! Crashed after 14 hours running.

Well I gonna try relaxed timing later. I think 200 x 12 is great magratton!

My mobo is exactly like the text of Zebo posted it. But mine got a metal arm. So I got a question, is this the bad version of it? Seems like it's a lottery, plastic arm or metal!

Thank you guys!

Raf

Don't get me wrong, I am happy with the 200x12. That is very nice IMHO. Sorry to have come off that way. However, I have some news related to this issue. I noticed in a totally unrelated post that Jeff7181 said something about how his Mushkin Level 1 PC3500 ram was unstable when vdimm was >2.6v. So, on a lark, I dropped the vdimm to 2.6. Hey guess what, 18hours prime stable at 210x11.5@1.7v :beer: That ran all day yesterday. Last night I raised to 211FSB and still prime stable.

So, for everyone else who was previously having issues related to Sokratz post, give it a try. Currently trying 213x11.5@1.7, vdimm @ 2.6. *crosses fingers*

EDIT: Btw, while I wasnt able to see the CPU lock lever, but my ram slots are blue (one of the other indicators) so this is apparently one of the "bad" boards. Now, I do not have my NB mods, etc. and I have no idea what the temps are on any of the other mobo components. I suppose I could pull out the thermometer I use for my kids

 

[Sokratz]

/me triumphantly struts into the thread.

drum roll please...

I have finally broke the 200/203 fsb bs on the plastic-armed nf7-s v2.

*deep breath, long exhale*

When I last posted under "for the love of ... " I had mentioned that I did do the 3.3v rail mod onto my psu to increase the NB/SB/AGP busses and vdimm (the last, something I perhaps overlooked)

Anways, I wanted the bios to read 3.6-3.65 on the 3.3 rail. To do that, I increased my antec t430's 3.3, which was originally pumping 3.62 out the 3.3 rail in the first place +.38v to 4.0. This equated to a direct v gain on the 3.3 rail in bios. I perhaps should have thought a bit harder about this at the time, but looking at the vdimm via bios, it hadn't budged. It was still showing 2.8 if i had it set to 2.8 or 2.9/2.9 etc. This was at first a little odd to me because the board previously overvolted my memory, now it was rock steady exactly where I set it. After upping the rail, i tried various settings (increasing voltages) again and wasn't able to get above 203/205 (which was a big improvement from before actually). Yesterday I was reading that Jeff here had better luck with 2.6 and the muskin, so i gave that a try again. Low and behold, 208 held true.. *gasp*. i started playing around and found that any ram setting above 2.6 or any chipset under 1.7 insta-failed prime95.

Anyways, I'll stop blabbering.
12.5x214 1.9x1.7x2.6x2-2-3-11 overnight prime95 stable (and that's good enough for me. somone wanna respond with run it at 2048 and then we'll see.... and I will find a way to knife u in the face via your screen.... er-sorry *calm*)

So the voltages are a bit high. Especially if you add .38 to 1.7 and 2.6 and 1.5 for the agp ( i haven't done testing here yet after upping the rails) 1.9 is pretty high but the wc keeps it under 43C. For reality, I may end up dropping this a bit lower, since my room will liken to hell in a few months and I doubt i can keep those temps but now, temp 75F in my room, this is peachy.

proving mankinds stuburness will always either win, or wreck machines,
Sokratz


Edit: hmm. now I'm wondering if it's just the 2.6. I'll do more testing this weekend to see if it's the combo of just the 2.6 or the 3.3v mod+ that.

 

[Sokratz]

Originally posted by: magratton
BTW: Sokratz, ran into your post on the ABit forum. They are clearly missing the point. Sad really. :beer:

Well, I guess I *was* in the wrong area Thanks for the backup.

 

[Rafael]

OK, I think it's my ram is holding me back...

I haven't tried relaxed timings yet, but I had problems with my puter this morning and cleaned all, and formatted. Checked my ram, and it's v.2.2 so it's not BH-5. Found out it's on my brother's system. He's running P4 @ 250 Mhz. I think he got stuck over 200 Mhz @ CAS 2, and tried mine and kept it! LOL

But anyways, I gonna try relaxed timings, I hope I'll get above 200 Mhz barrier with CAS 2.5.

BTW, magattron 12 x 200 it's nice! Never said it was bad! That's my target!

Oh, another questions, what BIOS you guys are running? I'm using a BIOS mod 22, AK22 Turbo, something like that.

Nice OC Sokratz!

Raf