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Two new cars in the garage on the same day!

SearchMaster

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Vehicle 1
My wife's '07 Odyssey had >230K miles, and our mechanic advised us that the transmission was about to give up the ghost. In addition, it had a host of recurring problems (a/c mixing valves getting stuck, other sensor issues, etc.). He has always been very quick to recommend fixing instead of replacing, but this last time he said "it's time".

She wanted another minivan to replace it with, and didn't care for anything but the newer Odyssey (frankly I dislike its exterior but the inside is nice). I urged her to look at the new Sienna because feature for feature it's running $4-$5K less than the Odyssey, but she claimed its fold down seating is inferior (I didn't shop with her).

Anyway she found another EX-L (leather is a must for her, and she wanted Sirius/bluetooth as the only other must-haves) that was a 2014 demo model with 3K miles for just over $30K, which was an acceptable deal. It is the Smoky Topaz Metallic color, sort of a brownish-gunmetal color and looks nice. The interior is Truffle leather, a darkish gray. I don't have pics just yet. As it turns out, we went to sign the papers yesterday to pick it up...yesterday happened to be my son's 16th birthday.

Vehicle 2
My wife's brother is very close to my sons, and has been promising my eldest a car on his 16th birthday. I've not been in favor of this, because I'd rather him get a beater to start with and work his way up to a nicer vehicle like most of us. But in the end my wife and I didn't want to drive a wedge in between my son and his uncle, and he was very insistent on making it happen.

He had wanted to get him a BR-Z, but we rejected this idea. My son is a responsible driver but doesn't need more car than he's ready to handle. We looked at cars like Mazda 3, but my brother-in-law insisted on getting him something more upscale. And he's a big Audi fanboy.

So this (http://imgur.com/1d6BG4c, http://imgur.com/OoPlh4H - very small pic warning) showed up in our driveway. 2015 Audi A3 1.8T...way too much for a first car eh? I haven't exercised it very hard, but it's not very powerful at 170hp. My son was amazed by its quick steering but he hasn't driven my Focus ST 😀. The stereo is good, more powerful than my ST with better speakers, though I hope to upgrade my speakers soon. I like the two-tone interior though it's a definite step down from other Audi's. I had trouble finding a comfortable seating position. On a ~40 mile round trip to the credit union, the Honda dealership, and back home, I got an indicated 29.9 MPG...not bad. In a lot of ways I can see the appeal of this car...for $30K you can have an Audi instead of a well-equipped Accord, Camry, Mazda 3, etc. It's not fully loaded by any stretch but other than nav, I don't know what my son would want in a car). I'm not sure why Audi doesn't have proximity entry and start as a standard feature, even his R8 uses a key.

I'll update with better pics of both cars later.
 
A new car when you're 16? I'm pretty sure I don't live on the same planet. I'm sure he'll enjoy the Audi.

More like my son doesn't live on the same planet as you and me. I was given a Chevy Citation as my college graduation gift (it was 6 years old at the time) but have bought every other car I've owned. My parents did let me drive their Datsun 210 from time to time in high school but it lacked A/C and radio.

Yes, my brother-in-law is pretty wealthy, he has built and sold several businesses.

Insurance isn't going up THAT much, the car is in my wife's name with my son as the primary driver. He doesn't even have his license yet - he has to take some weekend classes and instructor drive alongs and with his intense baseball schedule, he'll be doing that in November.
 
Damn. Best uncle ever. That Audi cost more than the BRZ and has more power but is probably more dynamically responsible than the BRZ.

He's gonna be sad when he dings it though. At 16, it's only a matter of time.
 
Awesome story. That reminds me of mine. Mom and Dad gave us college graduation gifts of $20K each to do whatever we wanted. My brother took the money and invested it in mutual funds. I took the money, asked for an additional $3K and bought a brand new Jeep Wrangler.

17 years later, I still that that wrangler in my garage (which has not been driven in the last 7 years or so). I still love working on that car so it stays on my garage middle bay so I have good access on both sides when needed.
 
Vehicle 1
My wife's '07 Odyssey had >230K miles, and our mechanic advised us that the transmission was about to give up the ghost. In addition, it had a host of recurring problems (a/c mixing valves getting stuck, other sensor issues, etc.). He has always been very quick to recommend fixing instead of replacing, but this last time he said "it's time".

She wanted another minivan to replace it with, and didn't care for anything but the newer Odyssey (frankly I dislike its exterior but the inside is nice). I urged her to look at the new Sienna because feature for feature it's running $4-$5K less than the Odyssey, but she claimed its fold down seating is inferior (I didn't shop with her).

Anyway she found another EX-L (leather is a must for her, and she wanted Sirius/bluetooth as the only other must-haves) that was a 2014 demo model with 3K miles for just over $30K, which was an acceptable deal. It is the Smoky Topaz Metallic color, sort of a brownish-gunmetal color and looks nice. The interior is Truffle leather, a darkish gray. I don't have pics just yet. As it turns out, we went to sign the papers yesterday to pick it up...yesterday happened to be my son's 16th birthday.

Did you and the misses check out the Sienna SE which is sportier and drives less like a Minivan. I have read up on it but not test drove one yet. But being a Mazda owner now I cannot imagine going with any other minivan as I like to drive sporty vehicles.

Awesome story. That reminds me of mine. Mom and Dad gave us college graduation gifts of $20K each to do whatever we wanted. My brother took the money and invested it in mutual funds. I took the money, asked for an additional $3K and bought a brand new Jeep Wrangler.

17 years later, I still that that wrangler in my garage (which has not been driven in the last 7 years or so). I still love working on that car so it stays on my garage middle bay so I have good access on both sides when needed.

I am curious what is your brother's investment worth today?
 
In my experience, it doesn't matter who the car is registered under, if you have 3 vehicles and 3 drivers, that 3rd vehicle is the 3rd drivers car and insurance WILL be expensive.
 
We were informed by an insurance agent that titling a child's car in a parent's name *may* open up you up to liability if he causes an accident whereas a vehicle and insurance only in your son's name would do so less.

I don't know how accurate this is. I am just relating what my insurance agent has said in the past. Also, BoberFett is correct. You aren't going to be able to trick your insurance company with any silly shenanigans.
 
Awesome story. That reminds me of mine. Mom and Dad gave us college graduation gifts of $20K each to do whatever we wanted. My brother took the money and invested it in mutual funds. I took the money, asked for an additional $3K and bought a brand new Jeep Wrangler.

17 years later, I still that that wrangler in my garage (which has not been driven in the last 7 years or so). I still love working on that car so it stays on my garage middle bay so I have good access on both sides when needed.

So how much are the mutual funds worth now? I was expecting a "My brother is retiring at 40 and I'm driving a 17 year old jeep" story.
 
Damn. Best uncle ever. That Audi cost more than the BRZ and has more power but is probably more dynamically responsible than the BRZ.

He's gonna be sad when he dings it though. At 16, it's only a matter of time.

The Audi was significantly less than the BRZ and has less power, 170hp vs 200hp. He had trouble finding a BRZ for less than $35K, he got the Audi for $27K (which was his budget) because it was the 7th (I think) Audi he has bought from the same salesman.

Our insurance is going up just over $1200/yr (assuming my son completes his driver's ed class next month and keeps his GPA above 3.0) but I'm not entirely sure how much of that is adding him versus the two new vehicles since it has all happened at the same time. It was going to go up a lot adding him anyway even if he was driving my '98 Accord.

As for the Sienna, my wife went to the Toyota dealership and checked out the Sienna without me. She didn't drive it but was concerned about how the seats folded. I find it hard to believe they don't fold as flat as the Odyssey but I wasn't going to argue with her, it's her car and ultimately her choice. If she hadn't been able to get the Odyssey at ~$30K (Truecar shows >$33.5) I would have insisted that we look harder at the Sienna. Again, it's not my car, I have a sporty car for myself and rarely drove her old minivan except on road trips.
 
We were informed by an insurance agent that titling a child's car in a parent's name *may* open up you up to liability if he causes an accident whereas a vehicle and insurance only in your son's name would do so less.

I don't know how accurate this is. I am just relating what my insurance agent has said in the past. Also, BoberFett is correct. You aren't going to be able to trick your insurance company with any silly shenanigans.

I hear this a lot. And while I understand, it really just feels like more of a racket from the insurance company to drive up the premiums.
 
As for the Sienna, my wife went to the Toyota dealership and checked out the Sienna without me. She didn't drive it but was concerned about how the seats folded. I find it hard to believe they don't fold as flat as the Odyssey but I wasn't going to argue with her, it's her car and ultimately her choice. If she hadn't been able to get the Odyssey at ~$30K (Truecar shows >$33.5) I would have insisted that we look harder at the Sienna. Again, it's not my car, I have a sporty car for myself and rarely drove her old minivan except on road trips.

That is too bad, i asked a mom who drives a brand new Sienna SE to the same day care as my younger daughter and she said she loves her minivan and would get another Sienna SE. But again i have yet to test drive it.
 
We were informed by an insurance agent that titling a child's car in a parent's name *may* open up you up to liability if he causes an accident whereas a vehicle and insurance only in your son's name would do so less.

I don't know how accurate this is. I am just relating what my insurance agent has said in the past. Also, BoberFett is correct. You aren't going to be able to trick your insurance company with any silly shenanigans.

Our agent told us to handle it this way. We're not trying to trick anyone or anything. We have liability for anything our minor children do anyway.
 
We were informed by an insurance agent that titling a child's car in a parent's name *may* open up you up to liability if he causes an accident whereas a vehicle and insurance only in your son's name would do so less.

I don't know how accurate this is. I am just relating what my insurance agent has said in the past. Also, BoberFett is correct. You aren't going to be able to trick your insurance company with any silly shenanigans.

A child that is not a legal adult will still pass the responsibility onto the parent for anything, no matter who the vehicle is titled/insured under if the child is a dependent of the parent.

when child is on the parent tax return as a minor, the parent is still on the hook.
 
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The mutual fund would be worth about $65k today, assuming reinvested dividends and performance similar to the S&P500.

As for the Sienna, my wife went to the Toyota dealership and checked out the Sienna without me. She didn't drive it but was concerned about how the seats folded. I find it hard to believe they don't fold as flat as the Odyssey but I wasn't going to argue with her, it's her car and ultimately her choice. If she hadn't been able to get the Odyssey at ~$30K (Truecar shows >$33.5) I would have insisted that we look harder at the Sienna. Again, it's not my car, I have a sporty car for myself and rarely drove her old minivan except on road trips.

Huh. When some friends of mine were shopping minivans, they thought that the Sienna was head and shoulders above the Odyssey, despite being cheaper. Granted, that was many years ago, but I also am skeptical that Toyota would screw up something as basic as fold-flat seating.

A new Audi as a first car...just make sure that your son doesn't do anything that shows up on "Rich kids of Instagram", OK?😛
 
As for the Sienna, my wife went to the Toyota dealership and checked out the Sienna without me. She didn't drive it but was concerned about how the seats folded. I find it hard to believe they don't fold as flat as the Odyssey but I wasn't going to argue with her, it's her car and ultimately her choice. If she hadn't been able to get the Odyssey at ~$30K (Truecar shows >$33.5) I would have insisted that we look harder at the Sienna. Again, it's not my car, I have a sporty car for myself and rarely drove her old minivan except on road trips.

good luck getting a new sienna for that anyways dude. non shitty options its 34k + TTL

I did this cross shop this summer

That is too bad, i asked a mom who drives a brand new Sienna SE to the same day care as my younger daughter and she said she loves her minivan and would get another Sienna SE. But again i have yet to test drive it.

shes probably never been in another minivan....just sayin
 
I have no idea what is the outcome of his investment. He is very smart with money so I have no doubt that he consistently puts more $$ in.
 
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