Two IDF soldiers charged with using 9-year-old 'human shield' in Gaza war

[SandEagle]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1155800.html

for those that have said in the past that the IDF does not use human shields. happens on both sides.


/pure of heart posting

 

[dainthomas]

I'm surprised the IDF would even bother given that it would be supremely ineffective against degenerates like Hamas.

 

[PokerGuy]

Scum on both sides.

 

[theflyingpig]

happens on both sides.

Except the Palestinians condone these acts. The Israelis punish them. Everyone knows this.

 

[SandEagle]

Except the Palestinians condone these acts. The Israelis punish them. Everyone knows this.

i doubt all of them condone these acts. anyone that does is a despicable subhuman

 

[Jaskalas]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1155800.html

for those that have said in the past that the IDF does not use human shields. happens on both sides.


/pure of heart posting

Two soldiers who will be dealt with hardly makes a terrorist cell.

 

[bfdd]

meh, if i was in a position like that I'd grab a 12 year old, they're bigger and not much heavier, would make a way better human shield.

 

[woolfe9999]

While these kinds of acts are despicable no matter who does them, I do wonder whether the Palestinians would ever put any of their own people on trial for doing this sort of thing, or indeed, would any military of any arab country ever do so?

- wolf

 

[Narmer]

While these kinds of acts are despicable no matter who does them, I do wonder whether the Palestinians would ever put any of their own people on trial for doing this sort of thing, or indeed, would any military of any arab country ever do so?

- wolf

Israel claims to be a democracy and respect human rights. People take them seriously on those points. THe same cannot be said of the other ME countries, with one or two exceptions.

 

[woolfe9999]

Israel claims to be a democracy and respect human rights. People take them seriously on those points. THe same cannot be said of the other ME countries, with one or two exceptions.

That doesn't mean that comparisons aren't valid. Nor does it mean that the Arabs somehow get a "free pass" because no one expects anything from them. That sort of reasoning is an excuse for one-sided criticism.

In warfare, there are always despicable people who do dispicable things on both sides. The measure of a society is whether it has a conscience about such things.

In Israel, war criminals often get put on trial. In Arab counties? Never that I've heard.

In Israel, there is an independent press with publications such as Haaretz which publicize Israeli war crimes and criticize the policies of their government. In Arab countries, not so much.

In Israel, there are human rights organizations which look out for the interests of Palestinians. In Arab countries, which human rights organizations catalogue the abuses of Arab terrorists?

In Israel, there are authors and academics who write books that are critical of the Israeli government and supportive of the Palestinians? In Arab countries, not so much.

None of these things excuse individual abusive acts. They are, however, relevant points of comparison.

- wolf

 

[Narmer]

That doesn't mean that comparisons aren't valid. Nor does it mean that the Arabs somehow get a "free pass" because no one expects anything from them. That sort of reasoning is an excuse for one-sided criticism.

In warfare, there are always despicable people who do dispicable things on both sides. The measure of a society is whether it has a conscience about such things.

In Israel, war criminals often get put on trial. In Arab counties? Never that I've heard.

In Israel, there is an independent press with publications such as Haaretz which publicize Israeli war crimes and criticize the policies of their government. In Arab countries, not so much.

In Israel, there are human rights organizations which look out for the interests of Palestinians. In Arab countries, which human rights organizations catalogue the abuses of Arab terrorists?

In Israel, there are authors and academics who write books that are critical of the Israeli government and supportive of the Palestinians? In Arab countries, not so much.

None of these things excuse individual abusive acts. They are, however, relevant points of comparison.

- wolf

I said 'claims'. Usually, cases like the one in the OP come about when the Israeli Military is pressed after soldiers have been allegedly exposed for wrongdoing. Even then, charges are and sentences are mitigated. Israel may be better than the arabs but it still has a long way to go to equate with the West in terms of everyone being under the rule of law.

 

[jonks]

And some US military have gone off the rails in Iraq and intentionally killed civilians too. That doesn't morally equate the entire US military with the insurgency which planted bombs in civilian areas and kidnapped and tortured with powerdrills hundreds or thousands of Iraqis.

If these IDF soldiers are guilty, they're criminals and deserve what they get. That doesn't morally equate the entire Israeli military with the terrorist groups they fight who like to blow up buses, discos, and weddings, and launch rockets at civilian targets.

 

[Narmer]

And some US military have gone off the rails in Iraq and intentionally killed civilians too. That doesn't morally equate the entire US military with the insurgency which planted bombs in civilian areas and kidnapped and tortured with powerdrills hundreds or thousands of Iraqis.

If these IDF soldiers are guilty, they're criminals and deserve what they get. That doesn't morally equate the entire Israeli military with the terrorist groups they fight who like to blow up buses, discos, and weddings, and launch rockets at civilian targets.

Those types of comparisons are not even fair. The vast majority of militant political organizations, including the Zionists in British-occupied Palestine, resort to terrorism against civilians. Usually, when these organizations gain power and become legitimate governments, they tend to straighten up their acts. People conveniently forget this.

 

[JSt0rm]

I'm surprised the IDF would even bother given that it would be supremely ineffective against degenerates like Hamas.

Yes. Exactly my thoughts an 18 year old human shield would offer twice the protection :hmm:

 

[kylebisme]

In Israel, war criminals often get put on trial. In Arab counties? Never that I've heard.

Surely you heard of Iraq putting Saddam on trial, the same war criminal our government propped up for decades? It's absurdly one-sided to criticise "the Arabs" as a whole when some of the worst offenders are dictatorships we back.

Also, the only news here is that the soldiers are being investigated, since Israeli solders regularly use Palestinians as human shields, as documented in this B'Tselem report (index on the right). Granted, with the Israeli government attempting to ignore their onslaught of war crimes complied in the Goldstone report, it's not surprising that they are looking to make a show out of slapping a few grunts on the wrists for doing what they've been doing all along.

 

[Zebo]

Totally different.

First Israelis don't use their own Women and Children like Jihadis, but the other sides. Very good and loyal to population you're working for,

Second, Jihadis don't give a shit anyway about their own corporally, all are martyrs blessed with a one way TICKET to heaven dying in service of Jihad. Hammy directly kills them routinely. Puts them them harms way and otherwise abuse them. So stop with crocodile tears mkay Hammy. Israeli care more about your civilians than you do in your quest for domination.

Third, by in large, idiots that they are, Israelis and Israeli command condemn strongly and court marshal those using shields. While with Jihadis it's part of their main battle plan.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Surely you heard of Iraq putting Saddam on trial, the same war criminal our government propped up for decades? It's absurdly one-sided to criticise "the Arabs" as a whole when some of the worst offenders are dictatorships we back.

Also, the only news here is that the soldiers are being investigated, since Israeli solders regularly use Palestinians as human shields, as documented in this B'Tselem report (index on the right). Granted, with the Israeli government attempting to ignore their onslaught of war crimes complied in the Goldstone report, it's not surprising that they are looking to make a show out of slapping a few grunts on the wrists for doing what they've been doing all along.

If you could get your facts straight that would be a nice start....
But oh...I just remembered you couldn`t even get the facts that you invented straight when it came to your WTC7 straight...rofl..hahahaa

 

[Noobtastic]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1155800.html

for those that have said in the past that the IDF does not use human shields. happens on both sides.


/pure of heart posting

Ah Sandeagle, back to the pointless Israel-bashing.

The only thing this proves is that even the most professional army can't control everyone. There are bound to be accidents and deviations from standard policy.

This is the exception, not the rule. These soldiers were charged and investigated before the Goldstone report was written.

To say Israeli military uses "human shields" is not simply disgusting but morally offensive. To draw parallels between Hamas institutionalized use of human shields is DEFAMATION.

Ask yourself troll, when will Hamas terrorists be indited for booby trapping stuffed animals and playgrounds? When will Hamas terrorists be indicted for training children to attack Israeli soldiers and civilians?

When will Hamas terrorists being indicted for embedding themselves in schools, hospitals and mosques to exploit Israel's R.O.E and deter attack? Or draw fire resulting in unintended non-combatant casualties?

The idea that the soldiers should have unnecessarily exposed themselves to danger is absurd. it does not surprise one that europeans or terror apologists would piously, vigorously, moronically insist on this idioc policy.

I wish Israel would drop the hand-holding and BOMB Gaza like the USA bombed Iraq and Afghanistan.

No more risking the lives of Israeli soldiers to appease the US or Europe.

Next time, treat them like Russia treats the chechnans.

Israel's military is the most moral on the planet as confirmed by many Western military generals, such as Richard Kemp.

Only the left has the moral capacity to draw parallels between Jewish defenders and Islamic terrorists who "desire death like you (Zionists) desire live!"

You know who said that?

In other news, American soldiers murdered an Iraqi doctor and his wife yesterday.

No doubt the international media will be largely silent, or accept the testimony of the US spokeperson unchallenged.

No Israel to bash.

srael may be better than the arabs but it still has a long way to go to equate with the West in terms of everyone being under the rule of law.

LOL! Kidding me?

Israel is the moral standard?

It opened 100+ investigations after world condemnation. This is standard policy.

The only reason trolls like yourself get this impression is because when YOUR country goes to war, there is no knee-jerk reaction from the UN or BBC.

You could murder 1,000,000 people and write it off as "realities of war."

The "law" seems to only apply to Israel and no one else. I have yet to see any of Israel's critics even remotely meet the moral standard they apply to Israel, past and present.

USA has committed 12+ Gaza wars yet 100% KIAs being civilians.

Time to try Obama for war crimes and send US soldiers to the hague.

Israel should be the judge.

 

[Narmer]

LOL! Kidding me?

Israel is the moral standard?

It opened 100+ investigations after world condemnation. This is standard policy.

The only reason trolls like yourself get this impression is because when YOUR country goes to war, there is no knee-jerk reaction from the UN or BBC.

You could murder 1,000,000 people and write it off as "realities of war."

The "law" seems to only apply to Israel and no one else. I have yet to see any of Israel's critics even remotely meet the moral standard they apply to Israel, past and present.

USA has committed 12+ Gaza wars yet 100% KIAs being civilians.

Time to try Obama for war crimes and send US soldiers to the hague.

Israel should be the judge.

Israel is not a moral standard by any means. The West is. Israel and the Arabs are far closer to each other than Israel is to the West. You see it in her culture; her actions; disrespect for human rights; refusal to follow UN directives and so on. Balkanizing the West Bank; taking away Arab land and denying Arabs the right to live in Jerusalem, in addition to other gross abuse of rights all the while giving the Palestinians every reason to lash out violently and, when they do, using that as an excuse for further collective punishment underlines the reality that Israel has no interest in peace on equal terms. Instead, they prefer a peace when one group has absolute domination over the other. While this is plausible in most places where the dominant group is the majority, Jews represent less than 5% of the Middle East and falling. The Israelis, like their Arab brothers, throw reason and logic out the window and instead are slaves to religion and the "right" given to them by an imaginary god.

 

[Noobtastic]

Israel is not a moral standard by any means. The West is. Israel and the Arabs are far closer to each other than Israel is to the West. You see it in her culture; her actions; disrespect for human rights; refusal to follow UN directives and so on.

Clarify the West prey tell?

Is Israel not a member of the West?

Tell me about this culture.

According to Freedom House:

Of the 18 countries in the Middle East that Freedom House surveyed, only one is considered to be “free.”

And just who might that be? Yep, you guessed it: Israel.

Not a single Arab country – not one! – did Freedom House consider “free.” Three Arab states – Morocco, Lebanon and Kuwait – were labeled “partly free,” while 13 other Arab states as well as Iran merited the dubious distinction of being branded as “not free

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?ID=170729

Clearly you do not know what the West "constitutes."

As far as UN directives go, hardly compelling evidence. The UN has been hijacked by the Arab and Muslim states. Hard to take cries of "human rights" seriously when the most oppressive states on the planet sit on the UN Human Rights Council - a council Israel is barred from.

As far as human rights go, Israel too is a leader. Compared, at least, to its Western critics.

Balkanizing the West Bank; taking away Arab land and denying Arabs the right to live in Jerusalem, in addition to other gross abuse of rights all the while giving the Palestinians every reason to lash out violently and, when they do, using that as an excuse for further collective punishment underlines the reality that Israel has no interest in peace on equal terms. Instead, they prefer a peace when one group has absolute domination over the other. While this is plausible in most places where the dominant group is the majority, Jews represent less than 5% of the Middle East and falling. The Israelis, like their Arab brothers, throw reason and logic out the window and instead are slaves to religion and the "right" given to them by an imaginary god.

Geez how many buzzwords do you need. Tell me of this Arab land. Arabs can live anywhere they want in Israel and Jerusalem, 20% of Israel's population if Jewish.

The Arab states, on the other hand, expelled their Jewish population - 1,000,000 Jews, seized a land 4x the size of Israel that legally belonged to Jews.

Your apologism for Palestinian terrorism is clearly a reflection of Western ignorance. Failure to recognize Palestinian rejectionism and Arab intolerance and racism - such as denying Jewish rights and claims to parts of the Middle East - seems to be a common, if not predictable motif of Israel bashers.

I ask you respond to my post, but I will reiterate the so-called Western military policy.

US killing in Iraq = 37,000 in 2009. 5 million made homeless.

US killing in Afghanistan = 8,000 killed in Operation Crescent Wind, another 15,000 in further bombing campaigns.

US killing in Yemen = 250 killed in USAF bombing during Operation Scorched Earth. Tacitly supported Saudi Arabia during the operation, as they ruthlessly slaughtered 8,000 Yemenis, and made over 250,000 homeless.

This is merely a sample.

Israel's military policies, on the other hand, are the moral standard - and certainly exceed the military precedents set by its Western critics.

Don't believe? feel free to question your military leaders, they extol and celebrate Israel's combat policies.

Where do you the US went to before Operation Moshturok? Israel. And look, we aren't seeing 1,000 civilians died each operation - we see 50, a lot no doubt - but a reflection of the USA's new policy of restraint.

Still, it does not extend to its support for the Arab regimes and their intolerance for terrorism.

Only a truly sick individual has the capacity to look at the Arab tribes and victimize them. The soulles, inhuman, disgusting apartheid-driven racist dictatorships that deny the holocaust and institutionalize antisemitism.

I only wish the USA would be half as progressive and moral as Israel. Perhaps we wouldn't be destroying another sovereign state every 10 years or supporting Islamic dictatorships.

Feel to fuck yourself any time Narmer.

 

[Zebo]

Ah Sandeagle, back to the pointless Israel-bashing.

The only thing this proves is that even the most professional army can't control everyone. There are bound to be accidents and deviations from standard policy.

This is the exception, not the rule. These soldiers were charged and investigated before the Goldstone report was written.

To say Israeli military uses "human shields" is not simply disgusting but morally offensive. To draw parallels between Hamas institutionalized use of human shields is DEFAMATION.

Ask yourself troll, when will Hamas terrorists be indited for booby trapping stuffed animals and playgrounds? When will Hamas terrorists be indicted for training children to attack Israeli soldiers and civilians?

When will Hamas terrorists being indicted for embedding themselves in schools, hospitals and mosques to exploit Israel's R.O.E and deter attack? Or draw fire resulting in unintended non-combatant casualties?

The idea that the soldiers should have unnecessarily exposed themselves to danger is absurd. it does not surprise one that europeans or terror apologists would piously, vigorously, moronically insist on this idioc policy.

I wish Israel would drop the hand-holding and BOMB Gaza like the USA bombed Iraq and Afghanistan.

No more risking the lives of Israeli soldiers to appease the US or Europe.

Next time, treat them like Russia treats the chechnans.

Israel's military is the most moral on the planet as confirmed by many Western military generals, such as Richard Kemp.

Only the left has the moral capacity to draw parallels between Jewish defenders and Islamic terrorists who "desire death like you (Zionists) desire live!"

You know who said that?

In other news, American soldiers murdered an Iraqi doctor and his wife yesterday.

No doubt the international media will be largely silent, or accept the testimony of the US spokeperson unchallenged.

No Israel to bash.



LOL! Kidding me?

Israel is the moral standard?

It opened 100+ investigations after world condemnation. This is standard policy.

The only reason trolls like yourself get this impression is because when YOUR country goes to war, there is no knee-jerk reaction from the UN or BBC.

You could murder 1,000,000 people and write it off as "realities of war."

The "law" seems to only apply to Israel and no one else. I have yet to see any of Israel's critics even remotely meet the moral standard they apply to Israel, past and present.

USA has committed 12+ Gaza wars yet 100% KIAs being civilians.

Time to try Obama for war crimes and send US soldiers to the hague.

Israel should be the judge.

+1 Very good post

 

[Zebo]

Clarify the West prey tell?

Is Israel not a member of the West?

Tell me about this culture.

According to Freedom House:



http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?ID=170729

Clearly you do not know what the West "constitutes."

As far as UN directives go, hardly compelling evidence. The UN has been hijacked by the Arab and Muslim states. Hard to take cries of "human rights" seriously when the most oppressive states on the planet sit on the UN Human Rights Council - a council Israel is barred from.

As far as human rights go, Israel too is a leader. Compared, at least, to its Western critics.





Geez how many buzzwords do you need. Tell me of this Arab land. Arabs can live anywhere they want in Israel and Jerusalem, 20% of Israel's population if Jewish.

The Arab states, on the other hand, expelled their Jewish population - 1,000,000 Jews, seized a land 4x the size of Israel that legally belonged to Jews.

Your apologism for Palestinian terrorism is clearly a reflection of Western ignorance. Failure to recognize Palestinian rejectionism and Arab intolerance and racism - such as denying Jewish rights and claims to parts of the Middle East - seems to be a common, if not predictable motif of Israel bashers.

I ask you respond to my post, but I will reiterate the so-called Western military policy.

US killing in Iraq = 37,000 in 2009. 5 million made homeless.

US killing in Afghanistan = 8,000 killed in Operation Crescent Wind, another 15,000 in further bombing campaigns.

US killing in Yemen = 250 killed in USAF bombing during Operation Scorched Earth. Tacitly supported Saudi Arabia during the operation, as they ruthlessly slaughtered 8,000 Yemenis, and made over 250,000 homeless.

This is merely a sample.

Israel's military policies, on the other hand, are the moral standard - and certainly exceed the military precedents set by its Western critics.

Don't believe? feel free to question your military leaders, they extol and celebrate Israel's combat policies.

Where do you the US went to before Operation Moshturok? Israel. And look, we aren't seeing 1,000 civilians died each operation - we see 50, a lot no doubt - but a reflection of the USA's new policy of restraint.

Still, it does not extend to its support for the Arab regimes and their intolerance for terrorism.

Only a truly sick individual has the capacity to look at the Arab tribes and victimize them. The soulles, inhuman, disgusting apartheid-driven racist dictatorships that deny the holocaust and institutionalize antisemitism.

I only wish the USA would be half as progressive and moral as Israel. Perhaps we wouldn't be destroying another sovereign state every 10 years or supporting Islamic dictatorships.

Feel to fuck yourself any time Narmer.

Another +1 you get it.

 

[Narmer]

Clarify the West prey tell?

Is Israel not a member of the West?

Tell me about this culture.

According to Freedom House:



http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?ID=170729

Clearly you do not know what the West "constitutes."

As far as UN directives go, hardly compelling evidence. The UN has been hijacked by the Arab and Muslim states. Hard to take cries of "human rights" seriously when the most oppressive states on the planet sit on the UN Human Rights Council - a council Israel is barred from.

As far as human rights go, Israel too is a leader. Compared, at least, to its Western critics.





Geez how many buzzwords do you need. Tell me of this Arab land. Arabs can live anywhere they want in Israel and Jerusalem, 20% of Israel's population if Jewish.

The Arab states, on the other hand, expelled their Jewish population - 1,000,000 Jews, seized a land 4x the size of Israel that legally belonged to Jews.

Your apologism for Palestinian terrorism is clearly a reflection of Western ignorance. Failure to recognize Palestinian rejectionism and Arab intolerance and racism - such as denying Jewish rights and claims to parts of the Middle East - seems to be a common, if not predictable motif of Israel bashers.

I ask you respond to my post, but I will reiterate the so-called Western military policy.

US killing in Iraq = 37,000 in 2009. 5 million made homeless.

US killing in Afghanistan = 8,000 killed in Operation Crescent Wind, another 15,000 in further bombing campaigns.

US killing in Yemen = 250 killed in USAF bombing during Operation Scorched Earth. Tacitly supported Saudi Arabia during the operation, as they ruthlessly slaughtered 8,000 Yemenis, and made over 250,000 homeless.

This is merely a sample.

Israel's military policies, on the other hand, are the moral standard - and certainly exceed the military precedents set by its Western critics.

Don't believe? feel free to question your military leaders, they extol and celebrate Israel's combat policies.

Where do you the US went to before Operation Moshturok? Israel. And look, we aren't seeing 1,000 civilians died each operation - we see 50, a lot no doubt - but a reflection of the USA's new policy of restraint.

Still, it does not extend to its support for the Arab regimes and their intolerance for terrorism.

Only a truly sick individual has the capacity to look at the Arab tribes and victimize them. The soulles, inhuman, disgusting apartheid-driven racist dictatorships that deny the holocaust and institutionalize antisemitism.

I only wish the USA would be half as progressive and moral as Israel. Perhaps we wouldn't be destroying another sovereign state every 10 years or supporting Islamic dictatorships.

Feel to fuck yourself any time Narmer.

It's comedic how you simultaneously criticize the West and claim to be a part of it. Perhaps that is Israel's problem. Again, this is like the Arabs. As you claim, they sit on human rights councils for their own ends, not believing in the tenets. They also shop and prefer to live in the West, loving its rule of law and respect for property but not wanting the same thing in their own countries. Similarily, Israel claims to be a democracy and hobnobs with Western nations as if they are equals. However, in Israel proper, they treat Arab-Israelis as a fifth column; they mistreat Palestinians at every opportunity. And when these charges are brought up, they say 'Look at the Arabs and how they behave. Look at how they treated their Jews'. It's a all a charade, a hypocrisy. But this attitude is common among the elites of Russia and the Arabs.

 

[Noobtastic]

It's comedic how you simultaneously criticize the West and claim to be a part of it.

What is truly funny is your inability to respond to my post in an explicit manner.

Is the West immune from criticism? If Israel is considered to be an alien state that is morally inferior to the Western tribes - with their stellar human rights record and superior military policy (sarcasm) - am I not allowed to merely state the obvious?

Israel is a part of Western civilization and this really isn't up for debate. The real question is, has Western civilization been so corrupted by Arab oil that it will betray one of its most loyal members?

Ask yourself Narmer. Whose side are you on?

Perhaps that is Israel's problem. Again, this is like the Arabs. As you claim, they sit on human rights councils for their own ends, not believing in the tenets.

So you admit it. I mention the HRC because you mentioned the UN. Any self-respecting human being knows the UN is an utter moral failure and the Israel leadership should wear a badge of honor for being its most disdained enemy.

How any so-called enlightened European state can be attached to the hip with the non-alignment movement is beyond me. Seeing dictators and murders lecture Israel as they ruthlessly slaughter millions is something one could only describe in horror stories.

But alas, this is reality.

stranger than fiction, no?

They also shop and prefer to live in the West, loving its rule of law and respect for property but not wanting the same thing in their own countries.

Surely you are misinformed. Tolerant European states are offering to pay Muslim and Arab immigrants to move back to their original homeland. They have been experiencing a major cultural shift. A shift back in time, where women were hated and homosexuals were stoned.

The thousands of anti-Muslim protests in Europe, the sharia courts erecting in Britain, the antisemitism and vicious treatment of European Jews, the take-over of British universities, etc.

Hardly respectful.

Similarily, Israel claims to be a democracy and hobnobs with Western nations as if they are equals.

Israel does not claim to be a democracy. Israel is a democratic republic and this again isn't disputed.

Israel's government is elected by the people, DUH.

However, in Israel proper, they treat Arab-Israelis as a fifth column; they mistreat Palestinians at every opportunity.

Israel treats Arabs as a fifth column? Please, enlightenment.

I know for a fact Arabs can live anywhere they want in Israel. They live in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Ashdod. side by side with Jews.

Arabs serve in the government, are elected to the Knesset - and some even join the military.

Israel's relationship with the Arab residents is political no doubt, not racial. When 20% of the population refuses to serve in the military and actively lobby against the Jewish state, while benefiting off Zionist principals, it can be frustrating for many Jews.

But, Arabs have more rights in a Jewish state than any Arab one, which is why Israeli Arabs aren't emigrating. There are 23 Arab tribes, why don't Israeli Arabs move there if live is so tough?

As far as the Palestinians are concerned, disgusting. Israel's policies are exemplary. It is the Palestinians that exploit every opportunity to abuse Jewish rights. And when they aren't fighting Israel they are fighting each other.

I guess billions in Saudi-funded propaganda, converting the Pals - the godfathers of modern terrorism - into the victims of chief, has paid off in a way.

But the useful idiots are always vulnerable to propaganda regardless.

And when these charges are brought up, they say 'Look at the Arabs and how they behave. Look at how they treated their Jews'. It's a all a charade, a hypocrisy. But this attitude is common among the elites of Russia and the Arabs.

You have no credibility. You attack and abuse the most progressive state in the middle east, and victimize the Arab despotic tribes.

You say Israel is more like the Arab states than the West, and not only do I prove you wrong, but it is the Western states that are more like the Arab than Israel.

Care to review my statistics?

Which you like to compare US, British, French, Russian, and Saudi military history to Israel's?

Who is the moral superior?

You should know, fuckhole.

 

[theamericans075]

Reminder that hamas has abided by every single negotiated ceasefire and israel always broke them