Two hard drive setup with cable select.

[Lioness]

I'm not sure if I set this up correctly. And if so, how do I get beyond this setup.

My old Maxtor D740x Ultra ATA 133 (I believe it's a 133) is Disk 0.
I recently installed a new WD 1200JBRTL ATA100 120gb HD. This is Disk 1
Both are on the same IDE cable and jumper settings are both cable select.
My BIOS immediately recognized both hard drives. Windows XP recognized and formated the WD.
I have a P4B266 Asus motherboard. I haven't installed a controller card.

When going through the disk management wizard I set my new WD as a primary and of course with NTFS. Should I have done this?

My questions:
How do I transfer all my files from my Maxtor to my WD? I have windows xp pro. Currently windows explorer shows nothing under my WD.
Even though both drives are set as cable select, is the Maxtor the primary because it's disk 0 and the WD the slave because it's disk 1? Or are they both primary?

What I would like to do:
Is to utilize the WD for everyday use and use the Maxtor for more important data files.

Any suggestions would be helpful.

thanks

 

[corkyg]

In order to use Cable Select, you must use a IDE cable that is CS capable. All of the newer 80 wire cables are - they feature a blue connector for the mobo, a black for Master and gray for slave.

If you are using 40 cable, then they have to be specially fixed to go cable select.

CSEL

I use it on my systems.

 

[Lioness]

I did do some research before I set this up and that link you gave was one of them. However, I'm having a difficult time understanding some of the computer "lingo" and was hoping I could get it clarified. The new 80 wire cable came with the WD and I set it up the way you mentioned. Apparently my Maxtor (old drive) is the master because only this drive contains the operating system and all my files.


To transfer all my files from the old Maxtor to the new drive do I simply do a copy and paste? Or should I first install my windows xp directly from my Cd and then do a copy and paste of all other files?

Then...after I transfer everything I need, I then set the new drive on the black connector and the old on the grey. Is this the best way to do this?

My BIOS and System Information settings are the same for cylinders and head. However the documentation in my WD shows different configurations in my installation guide. The heads are recognized as 255 where WD tells me 16. The cylinders recognized as 1024 and WD states 1023. The sectors all match. Is this unusual?

It's the transfer of files to and the setup of my new drive as disk 0 (boot up) that are most important to me right now. I think it's best if I work one problem at a time.

thank you again

 

[Zepper]

For Cable Select to work, both drives must be jumpered CS and the cable must also be a CS cable. All 80-wire IDE cables are supposed to be manufactured as Cable Select. The primary drive will be the one connected at the end of the cable and the secondary will be the one connected in the middle.
. So put your old drive back as primary - on the end. Use XP's drive management tools or the WD (zero out) utility to wipe the new drive clean again. You can DL the WD utilities from their web site if you didn't get them with your drive (with the retail kit only). Once you have it cleared, use the WD setup utility to partition, format and transfer your old files to the new drive. The WD setup util makes that very easy.
. Then move your new drive to the Primary position and leave your old drive disconnected. Boot up and see if you have it working. Then convert your partition(s) to NTFS using the XP drive management tool if you wish. After you have satisfied yourself that the new drive is running properly, wipe the old drive using the WD (zero out) utility. Then you can hook it up as secondary and set it up using XP drive management tool or the WD util.
.bh.
Where's the :sun: ???

 

[PrincessGuard]

Just a clarification:

Your Maxtor is indeed drive 0 because is is the primary master. Master/Slave settings have nothing to do with Primary/Extended partitions. Every drive must have a primary partition.

The easiest way to transfer your files is with Norton Ghost or similar software, which are designed for this task. If you don't have access to it, then things get a bit harder.

Maxtor or WD may have a utility that can transfer hard drive contents but I have no experience with them.

If you don't mind reinstalling Windows, then remove your old drive, install Windows, reconnect your old drive as slave, then copy over all your data. This way you lose all your settings but get a clean OS.

 

[Lioness]

Both drives are set as cable select. When I look in XP disk management I see my old drive as disk 0 and new drive as disk 1. The disk 0 drive shows healthy, as it should. However, my WD on disk 1 shows as "boot". Does this mean that my system is using the slave (disk 1) WD as my first boot drive into windows XP?

As far as transferring my files from my old to new drive I have decided to take this approach.
I installed Windows xp into my new WD. And I'm setting it up (apps., drivers etc. etc.) as if it's a single hard drive on a PC. This reason for this is that I would like sole access to use the new drive and give my son sole access to the old drive. His apps. etc. on his drive and mine on the other.

When I boot my PC, I see two windows xp version choices. The new WD is the first (mine) and the old drive is the second (my sons).

My question is will this work? When I'm using my new HD I should not have to pull anything from the old drive (my sons) to get anything to function correctly because it is also installed on the MY drive. Do I understand this correctly?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks

 

[tdowning]

if you want to isolate your stuff from your son's stuff, you should have both drives in pull-out cages.

My windows 2000 server book has lead me to believe that anyone with administrator rights can access all files on all hdd's in the system.

(there was a question about Encrypted File System that said it [EFS] would prevent attacks where someone gained physical access, reinstalled windows 2000 and gained access to all files.)

 

[bobandan]

WD comes with a desent imaging program..
I did it and I'm pretty stupid...

 

[Lioness]

"WD comes with a desent imaging program." I realize this.

tdowning:
"if you want to isolate your stuff from your son's stuff, you should have both drives in pull-out cages."

I'm not sure what pull-out cages are. Would it be best to install each hard drive on it's own IDE? If so, that would mean WD "master" and CD-RW "slave" on IDE 1 or 2. Maxtor "master", DVD-ROM "slave" on IDE 1 or 2. Or wouldn't this make any difference to the setup I'm currently using? Cable select on both drives on same IDE. DVD-rom and CD-RW on other IDE.

My intentions are not to completely isolate my son from my HD. According to him I have boring software on my drive and is of no interest to him. I not only want him to have his files on his drive but also have him learn how to take care of this HD. This includes, among many other things, scan, defrag., updating his software (ie. antivirus), updating drivers, setting up his own configurations options such as in Spybot, Trojan Hunter, etc. etc.

I think I've encountered a problem however. My first choice on boot up is the WD. The second choice is Maxtor.
When I choose the WD bootup, I see listed in Disc Management this drive labeled as "F".
However when I boot up using the Maxtor drive, disc management shows WD drive label as "D", not F.
The Maxtor label remains the same no matter which I choose for boot up.

 

[Lioness]

On my sons hard drive I have him setup as a power user, not an administrator. I'm the administrator, and will continue to be until no longer needed. I'll be using this administrator account to see how he's doing. I realize there are times when an administrative account is required to work with, and/or install, certain software. During these times I sit next to him and we do this together. My hopes are that eventually he will learn how to work the administrative account separate from the power user.