Two college students facing expulsion for defending themselves with a firearm

[WackyDan]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._pulling_gun_to_defend_against_intruder_.html

"Two seniors from Gonzaga University in Spokane, Washington were placed on indefinite probation Sunday after pulling a gun to defended themselves when a six-time felon attempted to enter their apartment. "

Watch the video for the details.

Fact... The apartment is actually off campus and not directly policed by the campus.
Fact... They could have chosen to not live there based on the no weapons policy.

So... They brought this on themselves. The question becomes whether the no weapons policy in an off campus apartment violates their civil liberties as the apartment is their RESIDENCE. We had a thread debated this before in regard to an apartment complex changing a policy to ban firearms some months back.

At best, I think the college would be in their right to evict them, but would be wrong and probably lose in court if they expel them.

 

[TreVader]

Fact: The University owns the property. Fact: property owners have the right to forbid anything they want on their property. Fact: They better shut up and stop crusading before the university expels them out of spite.

 

[spidey07]

They are going to make a ton of money when they sue for violation of constitutional and civil rights. The university police cannot confiscate their weapons as they broke no law nor are they under arrest.

 

[WackyDan]

Fact: The University owns the property. Fact: property owners have the right to forbid anything they want on their property. Fact: They better shut up and stop crusading before the university expels them out of spite.

You can ban cats and dogs. Banning weapons becomes somewhat debatable when it comes to a person's residence.

If that residence is public housing? Sure... ban them - counts as a gov't facility where most times there is a ban by LAW.

If the place was a dorm on a public or private campus where such policy is established/backed by LAW - yes indeed.

This is an off campus apartment. The worse they should face is eviction.

 

[fskimospy]

It's a private university.

 

[SheHateMe]

The school owns these apartments. Why do you guys keep bringing up "off campus" like that means anything? These are University wide policies.

My University has the same policy.


Also, I'm pretty sure people living in campus communities are specifically instructed NOT to open or prop doors for strangers. That includes the door to your apartment.


Campus police would have been there in a jiffy to arrest the guy if they kept the door shut and reported him. This is college....these kids should be smarter. There are transients, rapists, and who knows what lurking on and off campus all the time. They should have never answered the door.

 

[rudeguy]

You can ban cats and dogs. Banning weapons becomes somewhat debatable when it comes to a person's residence.

If that residence is public housing? Sure... ban them - counts as a gov't facility where most times there is a ban by LAW.

If the place was a dorm on a public or private campus where such policy is established/backed by LAW - yes indeed.

This is an off campus apartment. The worse they should face is eviction.

sigh....

So would you be ok with evicting tenants that had abortions?

 

[fskimospy]

sigh....

So would you be ok with evicting tenants that had abortions?

Are you saying that private property owners must allow residents to bring weapons into their property if they wish to rent an apartment?

 

[thraashman]

Are you saying that private property owners must allow residents to bring weapons into their property if they wish to rent an apartment?

Your standard Second Amendment revisionist (aka gun nut) seems to feel that their right to bear arms should supersede all other rights. Private property rights? "Nope, I have a gun and can take it with me where I please, even onto your property where you say you won't allow guns, even onto your property if you tell me not to come on to your property. I have a gun and I will break all other rules, laws, rights to have it with me wherever!"

 

[PokerGuy]

Are you saying that private property owners must allow residents to bring weapons into their property if they wish to rent an apartment?

Do private property owners have the right to discriminate against someone based on race/gender/ethnicity when deciding who to rent to? No. Why are 2nd amendment rights somehow less important than other rights?

 

[spidey07]

Your standard Second Amendment revisionist (aka gun nut) seems to feel that their right to bear arms should supersede all other rights. Private property rights? "Nope, I have a gun and can take it with me where I please, even onto your property where you say you won't allow guns, even onto your property if you tell me not to come on to your property. I have a gun and I will break all other rules, laws, rights to have it with me wherever!"

I have never heard any 2nd amendment supporters state they should be able to carry on any private property against the owners wishes.

Ever.

Liberalism is a mental disease, a diseased and defective mind void of reality and logic.

 

[schneiderguy]

Your standard Second Amendment revisionist (aka gun nut) seems to feel that their right to bear arms should supersede all other rights. Private property rights? "Nope, I have a gun and can take it with me where I please, even onto your property where you say you won't allow guns, even onto your property if you tell me not to come on to your property. I have a gun and I will break all other rules, laws, rights to have it with me wherever!"

I'm a gun nut and I have no problem with property owners not allowing firearms.

Would you take issue to the University not allowing a gay person or a fat person to live in their apartments?

 

[WackyDan]

sigh....

So would you be ok with evicting tenants that had abortions?

Don't be stupid.

This thing called HIPPA and such applies before you even go there.

 

[schneiderguy]

Do private property owners have the right to discriminate against someone based on race/gender/ethnicity when deciding who to rent to?

They should, but libruls fucked that up.

 

[rudeguy]

Don't be stupid.

This thing called HIPPA and such applies before you even go there.

If the landlord found out.

Would you be ok with evicting someone who had an abortion?

 

[WackyDan]

I have never heard any 2nd amendment supporters state they should be able to carry on any private property against the owners wishes.

Ever.

Liberalism is a mental disease, a diseased and defective mind void of reality and logic.

Nor have I. My neighbor knows I carry, and if he asked me to leave it at home while on his property I would respect that.

However, when I have rented in the past, I have always viewed that space as my private residence rent or not. That said, if the apartments I had rented had that policy, I simply would not have rented there and taken my rent else ware. In that aspect they were in error.

The debate should be framed on what the punishment should be. Eviction? sure... expulsion? Bring on the lawsuit.

 

[thraashman]

I have never heard any 2nd amendment supporters state they should be able to carry on any private property against the owners wishes.

Ever.

Liberalism is a mental disease, a diseased and defective mind void of reality and logic.

That's it, quote Hitler, that'll make your argument have more merit. God you're a disturbed individual.

 

[SheHateMe]

Nor have I. My neighbor knows I carry, and if he asked me to leave it at home while on his property I would respect that.

However, when I have rented in the past, I have always viewed that space as my private residence rent or not. That said, if the apartments I had rented had that policy, I simply would not have rented there and taken my rent else ware. In that aspect they were in error.

The debate should be framed on what the punishment should be. Eviction? sure... expulsion? Bring on the lawsuit.

They were suspended in coherence to the very policy they violated when the kid pulled out a gun.

Its not like the school randomly decided to kick them out. Their policy says that the punishment for violating that policy is suspension.

 

[fskimospy]

Do private property owners have the right to discriminate against someone based on race/gender/ethnicity when deciding who to rent to? No. Why are 2nd amendment rights somehow less important than other rights?

You don't seem to understand how the Constitution works. The 2nd amendment only prevents your right to bear arms from GOVERNMENT action, not private action.

What the government can and has done is passed laws to prevent discrimination through legislation. If your argument is that the government should pass legislation to require property owners to permit weapons in their private property I encourage you to agitate for such action. I am unaware of any active legislation nearby Gonzanga that has such a requirement, however.

So is your argument that there IS such legislation? Is your argument that Constitutional rights to arm oneself are now able to be enforced against private property owners? I'm pretty confused.

 

[2timer]

So... They brought this on themselves. The question becomes whether the no weapons policy in an off campus apartment violates their civil liberties as the apartment is their RESIDENCE. We had a thread debated this before in regard to an apartment complex changing a policy to ban firearms some months back.

Sounds like something a constitutional lawyer would have to determine.

 

[fskimospy]

Nor have I. My neighbor knows I carry, and if he asked me to leave it at home while on his property I would respect that.

However, when I have rented in the past, I have always viewed that space as my private residence rent or not. That said, if the apartments I had rented had that policy, I simply would not have rented there and taken my rent else ware. In that aspect they were in error.

The debate should be framed on what the punishment should be. Eviction? sure... expulsion? Bring on the lawsuit.

On what grounds would they sue?

 

[NoStateofMind]

lol

you can't "ban" self defense

 

[fskimospy]

lol

you can't "ban" self defense

So are you saying the state should step in and force a private university to alter its policies?

 

[WackyDan]

If the landlord found out.

Would you be ok with evicting someone who had an abortion?

Review your eviction process for your state. Land lords/corporations must follow a prescribed process and can only evict on select criteria. Abortion isn't one of them... and the tenant in most cases can appeal the eviction. You simply can't evict someone for having an abortion... You can't even write that into the lease..

So please stop trolling.

 

[rudeguy]

lol

you can't "ban" self defense

they can try...and they won't stop

Look at how long the liberal hippies have been trying to ban God.