Two Americas

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Craig234
But he has it wrong in blaming wealthy individuals - while some are the far bigger issue is the huge money available with hundreds of billions affects for corporations.

There's a reason Enron was Bush's top donor.

Long after the collapse of Enron, people like Craig are still slobbering in outrage at the company... and I think we all know the display of anger is the only way to keep people from noticing the real emotion underlying the Enron fiasco: Elation.

Having failed to provide actual leadership (as usual), they at least have a good smear campaign they can use against the Right (as usual). The Leftist pundits are pleased that, in the middle of a sea of wealth produced by capitalism, they have one example they can point to as alleged evidence of capitalism's failure. Right :roll:

There are dishonest people in any industry, in any country, in any culture. The question is: what enables them to take over a market and profit from dishonest tactics? Who is responsible for the perverse trading incentives that Enron exploited? The answer: the very politicians and pundits who love screaming about the Enron debacle with carefully staged outrage.

Did Enron exploit this system? Sure. But don't forget what kind of system they were exploiting: a mixed-economy system of short-sighted and irrational government controls. Enron could only loot California's utilities because the state's government had bound them hand and foot in a web of environmental restrictions and nonsensical "deregulation" regulations. Big business, meet big government.

Large corporations don't mind big government... hell, gov't is the best way to keep out the competition through taxes and regulations. Any leftwingnut who believes the Democratic Party is anti-megacorp is blinded by their own propaganda. A better indicator is, who do small business owners support? Libs beware... you may not like the answer.

Rofl .. you're so single-minded that you have no credibility. Did you actually do any in-depth research on the Enron/Arthur Andersen implosion? The politicians and enablers of the whole debacle were almost 100% Republicans. Grey Davis, the wimpy governor of California during the crisis, was actually doing what he could to rectify the situation.

Deregulation of utilities hasn't proven to be a very good idea for anyone OTHER than the corporations who can screw people over more freely.

I live in Texas, and things are getting progressively worse with gas/electric rates.

I'm not defending the Democrats. In general both parties will screw you over in different ways. It's just sickening to see robots like you hang their brains in the closet and go goose-stepping to the march of your party in total abdication of all logic and independent thought. There are plenty of left-wing drones too.

They're starting to rape the motherland now?

A sure sign the Oil Barons are losing grip in Washington. :thumbsup:

Bleh, I could post dozens of links if you wanted, but google is teh win.

Here's one that sums up a few recent stinging points :

http://cbs11tv.com/topstories/local_story_213203559.html

Bottom line : pretty much everyone in Texas has seen their electric rates rise drastically, to the point where people who were paying $75 a month for electricity during the summer 4-5 years ago are paying triple that now, for the same apartments. Homes, forget about it.

My home in Carrollton now averages $275-$300/month in Electric alone, and it's just a 3/2/2 with modern insulation and an energy-efficient A/C system.

Awesome, I could use the Texas vote. :thumbsup:

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Tom
"Make no mistake, I have no problems with the size or that he spent his own money, regardless how he got it."

then what are you complaining about it for ?

and what do you mean he says you're part of the problem ?

OK, apparently there are too many clueless individuals here.

The issue is that Edwards is running as a champion for the working class yet lives like the worst of aristocracy. Who in the hell believes people who don't even live like the common American can actually understand or help the average American?

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: JD50
For the mentally challenged, the point of the OP is, John Edwards is a total hypocrite, and the OP does not like hypocrites.

I thought that was pretty obvious.

Things that are wrong are obvious to you.

John Edwards is not a hypocrite at all for his earning a high income himself and advocating policies to help the poor, including ones which would raise his own taxes.



There's a reason Enron was Bush's top donor.

Thank you Craig234 for proving once and for all you pull numbers and claims out of your backside. A simple search of the internet proves Enron is not Bush's top donor. I know, it must be Halliburton, thats it.



Edwards concerned about the poor? Probably only so far as worried they might get onto his property. Oh wait they can't, high security and such. He cares for the poor by letting them do his laundry and mow his lawn. That is how Edwards cares for the poor.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: Tom
"Make no mistake, I have no problems with the size or that he spent his own money, regardless how he got it."

then what are you complaining about it for ?

and what do you mean he says you're part of the problem ?

OK, apparently there are too many clueless individuals here.

The issue is that Edwards is running as a champion for the working class yet lives like the worst of aristocracy. Who in the hell believes people who don't even live like the common American can actually understand or help the average American?

Clueless ? I'm not the one who declares they don't mind if someone is rich, then turns around and rails against them for being rich.

btw, Edwards wasn't born rich, so you have no point as to his ability to "understand". And that isn't a valid point anyway, anyone can understand another person's problems, if they are willing to listen.

How about answering my question as to why you think Edwards thinks you are part of the problem ?

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: Tom
"Make no mistake, I have no problems with the size or that he spent his own money, regardless how he got it."

then what are you complaining about it for ?

and what do you mean he says you're part of the problem ?

Because they're Democrats. If the Republicans want to blow his money killing people in Iraq, sending PALLETS stuffed with bills over there to stock the insurgency against our own guys, THAT is OK. But GD it, if some Democrat wants to set up a decent health care system, THAT tears it! :disgust:

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: JD50
For the mentally challenged, the point of the OP is, John Edwards is a total hypocrite, and the OP does not like hypocrites.

I thought that was pretty obvious.

Speaking of hypocrites....