Well, it is except with alcohol the victim is aware of its presence while with "date rate drug" she's not!
The Army or military has jurisdiction if it happened inside their compound or base unless they specifically request civilian help, or ordered by a civilian court.
Yes, but it still does not require signing in guests. All that is required is that they have valid ID's i.e. drivers license, school ID, etc. . .
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Different article than the one that is linked made such a statement.
How well the policy is enforced is a different issue.
Lewis was open pre-9/11, so it would be harder to drive on, but as long as they weren't falling over drunk or carrying weapons, it wouldn't be too much trouble for them to get on.
The barracks should have had someone on CQ signing people in at the entrance to the building. That said, it's not crazy to imagine someone being able to get around one NCO and one enlisted guy who may have to use the bathroom or eat or nap from time to time...which isn't to say that plenty of careers aren't going to be ruined over this.
Yes thank you for being the 10th person to point this out. I made an assumption based on what some underage marines based in Brussells told me like 4 years ago when I was visiting a friend, they implied it was difficult to keep beer around and they mainly had hard liqour. I really don't know anyone in the military so whatever, it doesn't change my theory on the series of events that occured.
I still say the girls pretended to be 18, were drinking hard alcohol and I still say the guys should of brought them to medical attention.
K, thank you number 11. So is your point they were drinking beer not liqour, or did you just feel like pointing out more information that 10 people before you have that was a very minor part of my post.
When I was in the service, underage girls were pretty much a regular feature in the barracks. I'm sure things haven't changed since.
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Huh? I'm saying underage drinking is beyond rampant, 90% of people under 18 drink (let alone 21), at least when I was in high school and all my younger siblings report the same more or less.
The point is if you are the one throwing the party you have to be somewhat responsible. As I said in my frat in college we had freshman come to our parties bombed from doing hard liquor pre-gaming in their dorms. They entered our doors they were our responsibility and we had to take a few to the hospital.
I'm not going to fault the people for drinking in this situation, it's a fact of life almost everyone does it, get over it. They are at fault for not taking responsible control of the situation. They should be charged harshly because their negligence was directly related to the one girls death, I make no bones about it. But to pretend you can go around and stop every under 18 from drinking or even that every situation where an under 18 is drinking is irresponsible then you are wrong.
I don't think that last part is accurate. The local court (ie., state not federal) does not have jurisdiction over military property -- it's federal land. The military would have to grant or cede jurisdiction.
At all bases, even before 9/11, you really are required to stop at the visitors center and get visitors a pass ("sign them in"). Most people don't bother unless the visitor is driving their own vehicle, because in that case they will definitely need it to get through the gate.
When the visitor is a passenger in your vehicle, more often than not you will get through the gate just showing your own ID (i've done it more than once). During night time hours and other times when 100% ID checks are being performed however, your chances are slim.
If you're in a vehicle with a military pass/ID/etc, then you can get in without difficulty at all. Just in Jan was on a military base multiple times with my mom (who works for a civilian contractor on base), and they *only* check for govt issued photo ID. With that said, if the girls were with a person who has a vehicle registered then they just had to have some ID. Doesn't even have to be fake ID's if they were going on around dinner time or earlier.
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Am not suprised. I spent 9 years in the Navy and I think sailors love underage girls even more than soldiers do.
WHY? I have no idea, but I always saw plenty of idiots trying to impress/nail 16 year old bimbos. Shame because there are so many older girls who like us.
The only reason this hit the press is because somebody died. Guys are always sneaking chicks into the barracks but they kick 'em out and then cover it up afterwards, even when its underage girls.
WHY? I have no idea, but I always saw plenty of idiots trying to impress/nail 16 year old bimbos. Shame because there are so many older girls who like us.
The only reason this hit the press is because somebody died. Guys are always sneaking chicks into the barracks but they kick 'em out and then cover it up afterwards, even when its underage girls.
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