tweaktown review GTX660Ti

[alexruiz]

For all the bad mouthing that THG gets, they are the ones that got the review of this card RIGHT. I am also not surprised on how ardent some fan are, really believing that this card is the savior of PC gaming. You guys have already made up your mind, you are going to buy it. Just don't ask for praise or try to paint it as better than it is.

Numbers and benchmarks are like car loans applications, you better read the fine print and understand what those figures truly mean.


ps. Prices for the HD7850/7870/7950 seem to have gone up

 

[RussianSensation]

ps. Prices for the HD7850/7870/7950 seem to have gone up

I am surprised that prices on these cards are edging up after the launch of 660Ti. MSI TF3 7950 is still up for grabs for $317. But you are right that Newegg did raise the prices.

 

[skipsneeky2]

$289 for a visiontek 7870 is pretty insane when the gtx660ti is 15%+ faster depending on game,the gigabyte oc model being the second cheapest is $299.

Why the sudden price hike?

 

[RussianSensation]

$289 for a visiontek 7870 is pretty insane when the gtx660ti is 15%+ faster depending on game,the gigabyte oc model being the second cheapest is $299.

Why the sudden price hike?

Newegg is sketchy sometimes with their price engine. :thumbsdown:

Also, I don't think 7870 ever made sense.

Sapphire Dual-X 7850 for $207 after $15 OFF with coupon code TECH101 and free shipping.

 

[Cerb]

$289 for a visiontek 7870 is pretty insane when the gtx660ti is 15%+ faster depending on game,the gigabyte oc model being the second cheapest is $299.

It can also be slower by even more than that, and there are several games where they are basically tied.

Why the sudden price hike?

They're out to make a buck? I wouldn't be surprised if sales of both cards will go up for a little while, now that the 660's release has answered any what ifs. Someone leaning to the 7870, or with their pet game being one that's faster with one, would go ahead and buy, but not buy a 660 Ti. The reverse will also be true.

 

[zaydq]

Guys the 660ti is revolutionary for gaming! Why buy a 7950/7970 or 670/680 with their awesome oc headroomk?

 

[zebrax2]

It seems like tweaktown has some axe to grind with nvidia

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/4892/nvidia_s_strong_arm_tactics_how_they_treat_gpu_partners_and_media/index.html

 

[Lonbjerg]

It seems like tweaktown has some axe to grind with nvidia

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/4..._they_treat_gpu_partners_and_media/index.html

Yeah, breakning NDA will get you on the bad list...wonder why whey act surprised...

 

[T_Yamamoto]

660ti found in akihabara japan.

saw it myself

 

[MTDEW]

Yeah, breakning NDA will get you on the bad list...wonder why whey act surprised...

Yeah, that is just stupid.
They couldn't get cards for review from Nvidia, so they found another source, so they were good to go.
Then they go ahead and break the NDA's, just to spite Nvidia and wonder what the problem is.

 

[tviceman]

Yeah, breakning NDA will get you on the bad list...wonder why whey act surprised...

Seriously what a bunch of retards.

 

[piesquared]

Speaking of retards, do any of you Einstein's understand that an NDA isn't broken if it isn't signed. Ergo, TT broke no NDA. Quite the strawman you fanboys have spun up though.

 

[RussianSensation]

Sounds like NV is just upset that Tweaktown had the first review of 660Ti and with MSAA the 660Ti didn't look so hot. I bet the MSI 660Ti card TT got was a random card from MSI's production line. However, NV shipped factory pre-overclocked cherry-picked 660Tis to reviewers which made the card appear faster than it is. Good thing the Europeans mentioned it:

"As with almost every GTX 660 Ti 2GB out of the gate on launch day, the Power Edition comes factory overclocked as well as custom cooled. Its GPU base clock of 1,020MHz is 102MHz higher than a stock GTX 660 Ti 2GB (which we'd imagine will be pretty rare), and in many circumstances we observed the card turbo-boosting to 1,240MHz." ~ BitTech

The factory preoverclocked 660Ti boosting to 1200mhz masked the performance hit but because of TweakTown's earlier review, a lot of people saw the real stock 660Ti.

 

[Jaydip]

Thats their version,I think nv was fed up with their stupid reviews

 

[tviceman]

Speaking of retards, do any of you Einstein's understand that an NDA isn't broken if it isn't signed. Ergo, TT broke no NDA. Quite the strawman you fanboys have spun up though.

If you were a company trying your hardest to please as many publications and reviewers as possible by having everyone play fair, and some jackass decides not to go along with any of it, signed document or not, it's going to piss you off and you'd be pretty freakin stupid not to respond with sanctions (in however way possible) with that person/website/publication.

It's called common sense, man. I know not everyone has it, but it sure does make the world easier to understand and cope with.

 

[tviceman]

Sounds like NV is just upset that Tweaktown had the first review of 660Ti and with MSAA the 660Ti didn't look so hot.

No I think it's more likely that since tweaktown has posted reviews days/weeks early for several Nvidia card launches now, Nvidia is responding with whatever avenues they can. If nothing legal is signed, they can't legally go after them. But they can put pressure on their partners to not send any free review samples, which seems par for the course. You do stuff to piss off company A, don't expect company to not respond in some way.

 

[Homeles]

Yeah, breakning NDA will get you on the bad list...wonder why whey act surprised...

They didn't sign an NDA.

 

[Wall Street]

They didn't sign an NDA.

The did sign the NDA for the MSI card they reviewed. They also released early a review for a nVidia GTX 660 Ti which they did not identify. nVidia probably suspects that it was the MSI card (perhaps underclocked to stock clocks) which they did not identify. Hence, they may have had an NDA for the card that they tested in the pre-NDA review.

The NDA for the MSI Power Edition they reviewed was probably drafted by good lawyers at nVidia who would make sure that it binds them from releasing any information relating to the GTX 660 Ti, even if they didn't get that information from testing the card in question. Therefore, they may have broken the NDA even if they did receive a secret sample without having to sign for it.

 

[3DVagabond]

No I think it's more likely that since tweaktown has posted reviews days/weeks early for several Nvidia card launches now, Nvidia is responding with whatever avenues they can. If nothing legal is signed, they can't legally go after them. But they can put pressure on their partners to not send any free review samples, which seems par for the course. You do stuff to piss off company A, don't expect company to not respond in some way.

Except, accordig to TT, they are company "A", and are responding to nVidia cutting them out of the review loop. This would threaten their existence and livelihoods. Now, it sounds like war.

 

[RussianSensation]

You do stuff to piss off company A, don't expect company to not respond in some way.

From the article it sounds like NV stopped sending them cards though. Either way never liked their reviews too much. But they do get access to the newest cards first it seems. Looks like NV's launch went well. Asus DCUII 660Ti is already out of stock on Newegg and reviewers for the most part are favourable towards the card. Demand seems high.

 

[Homeles]

The did sign the NDA for the MSI card they reviewed. They also released early a review for a nVidia GTX 660 Ti which they did not identify. nVidia probably suspects that it was the MSI card (perhaps underclocked to stock clocks) which they did not identify. Hence, they may have had an NDA for the card that they tested in the pre-NDA review.

The NDA for the MSI Power Edition they reviewed was probably drafted by good lawyers at nVidia who would make sure that it binds them from releasing any information relating to the GTX 660 Ti, even if they didn't get that information from testing the card in question. Therefore, they may have broken the NDA even if they did receive a secret sample without having to sign for it.

Key word being "may." Innocent until proven guilty.

I definitely agree that TT is being over dramatic, but let's face it — this is typical behavior of Nvidia.

 

[piesquared]

If you were a company trying your hardest to please as many publications and reviewers as possible by having everyone play fair, and some jackass decides not to go along with any of it, signed document or not, it's going to piss you off and you'd be pretty freakin stupid not to respond with sanctions (in however way possible) with that person/website/publication.

It's called common sense, man. I know not everyone has it, but it sure does make the world easier to understand and cope with.

The only ones nv are trying to please are themselves. There's no way this thing is the same value for a card as the 7950. Yet many pro nv websites paint it as equal or better value by adhering to nv's review guide and comparing it to only reference cards from the competition. That's doing a diservice to there readers. [H] review was a reach around sack fondling for nv. Some of the most realistic reviews came from xbit and tomshardware and even AT. No doubt they'll bear the wrath of nv's PR.

 

[Attic]

It seems like tweaktown has some axe to grind with nvidia

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/4..._they_treat_gpu_partners_and_media/index.html

Good for tweaktown. I'm glad a few guys are pushing back against nVidia's BS.

 

[tviceman]

From the article it sounds like NV stopped sending them cards though. Either way never liked their reviews too much. But they do get access to the newest cards first it seems. Looks like NV's launch went well. Asus DCUII 660Ti is already out of stock on Newegg and reviewers for the most part are favourable towards the card. Demand seems high.

From what I understand, Tweaktown has released reviews ahead of NDA's several times, and also may have broken an NDA themselves with Nvidia. In either case, I stand by my original statement in that if a publisher is doing stuff to circumvent the system that most other publishers / websites agree to adhere to, then it's only reasonable to expect retaliation.

The only ones nv are trying to please are themselves. There's no way this thing is the same value for a card as the 7950. Yet many pro nv websites paint it as equal or better value by adhering to nv's review guide and comparing it to only reference cards from the competition. That's doing a diservice to there readers. [H] review was a reach around sack fondling for nv. Some of the most realistic reviews came from xbit and tomshardware and even AT. No doubt they'll bear the wrath of nv's PR.

Tweaktown has repeatedly circumvented NDA's and perhaps themselves have broken an NDA (not entirely sure on the latter) and now Nvidia is doing what they can to shut out Tweaktown from getting Nvidia products, regardless of whether the product is super 3LITE K!LLER or average. <---- that is the only thing I am discussing. I was at no point ever talking about the value of the card in relation to the market, the hd7950, or what other website reviews have said about it. None of that bears any weight on what our conversation centers around. You're trying to blend multiple topics as an attempt to make a better argument about to make the current and only discussion I have going on with you, and it fails because it does nothing to defend tweaktown or demonize Nvidia.

 

[Hypertag]

The only ones nv are trying to please are themselves. There's no way this thing is the same value for a card as the 7950. Yet many pro nv websites paint it as equal or better value by adhering to nv's review guide and comparing it to only reference cards from the competition. That's doing a diservice to there readers. [H] review was a reach around sack fondling for nv. Some of the most realistic reviews came from xbit and tomshardware and even AT. No doubt they'll bear the wrath of nv's PR.

[H]'s review was just ludicrous. The stock GTX 660 Ti was paired against the GTX 460, and the 3GB model from galaxy went against 800MHz 7950s.