[ TweakTown ]GeForce GTX 800 series GPUs to be cheaper, faster than 700 series

[KaRLiToS]

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It is pretty obvious that the new GeForce GTX 880 will be faster than the GeForce GTX 780, but what is interesting, is that it will be both cheaper, and more power efficient - something nobody can complain about.


The news is slowly floating out that the 20nm-based Maxwell-powered GeForce GTX 880 will be faster, cheaper, and more power efficient - but that is only one GPU in a massive lineup of cards. We should expect the new high-end Maxwell-based 20nm GPU late this year, or early 2015. NVIDIA could be forced to reveal 28nm-based Maxwell GPUs, but right now there's no threat to force their hand.

If NVIDIA do release the Maxwell-based GeForce GTX 880 on the cheap, faster than what we have with the GTX 780, or even the GTX 780 Ti, at around 200W power consumption, it would really put the pressure on AMD. This only ends up being great for consumers, though.

 

[DarkKnightDude]

"Rumored" is the key word here.

I'll believe that its cheaper when I see it.

 

[janii]

Wtf of course its cheaper and faster than the 700..they cut the price of 700 and place the 800 where the 700 was before. Or am i missing something?

 

[KaRLiToS]

 

[SinOfLiberty]

Even more on topic:

Gefore GTX 880 Enterprise Edition

 

[Flapdrol1337]

These rumors dont have a credible source.

If they have a maxwell replacement for gtx760 and 770 that's cheaper to produce it might be sold at a slightly cheaper price too I guess. But the only thing that would make a big impact on nvidia's prices is some really deep pricecuts by amd.

 

[wand3r3r]

Hmm, maybe sales aren't as good as they appear? A forced price cut to increase sales?

Alternatively they could replace e.g. the mid-range 770 (which is higher priced than the 560 ti it precedes even 2+ years later) with an 870 which is 10% faster and 10% cheaper.

One can hope, but I don't see any credibility to believe it, the latest gouging on the titan-z say otherwise.

If we get a price drop I'd put money on a main reason being that the price gouging isn't working as well as they hoped and they'd like to move more cards.

What I do not expect are massive gains like certain past monumental cards, for less money.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

They'll be cheaper to produce but I highly doubt they'll be cheaper to purchase. At least we've finally gotten back to good cards in the $200-250 range.

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

Quotes from the "source"

GeForce GTX 800 series GPUs to be cheaper, faster than 700 series(...)

NVIDIA rumored to make its upcoming GeForce GTX 880 and 800 series cheaper, faster, and more power efficient than its 700 series GPUs(...)

It is pretty obvious that the new GeForce GTX 880 will be faster than the GeForce GTX 780, but what is interesting, is that it will be both cheaper, and more power efficient - something nobody can complain about.(...)

The news is slowly floating out that the 20nm-based Maxwell-powered GeForce GTX 880 will be faster, cheaper, and more power efficient(...)


If NVIDIA do release the Maxwell-based GeForce GTX 880 on the cheap, faster than what we have with the GTX 780, or even the GTX 780 Ti, at around 200W power consumption(...)

You know you have nothing to say when you repeat the same sentence five times in an 8 sentence article. And that includes the title.

 

[Lonyo]

The "source" isn't TweakTown, it's WCCFTech, as it says at the bottom of the Tweaktown article.

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-880-800-series-powerful-cheaper-700-series/

THEIR source is EXPReview
http://www.expreview.com/34003.html

THEIR source is "KDramaStars"
http://www.kdramastars.com/articles/24370/20140609/gtx-800-series-news.htm

THEIR source is "Cyberland PC"

I have no idea what that is as there is no link, but I assume it's just a reliable as anyone else, i.e. not at all.
So yes. Tweaktown having nothing to say is because it's a 5 website deep rumour. GG.

We should really just close terrible threads like these where it's a rumour from a rumour from a rumour from a rumour from a rumour with no one actually caring who originally said anything.

Also I should set up a terrible website where I make up crap, then set up some more websites that link to them, and then get progressively less terrible websites to link to those so that I can make up dumb rumours and pass them off as having some basis because no one every bothers to check what the actual underlying "source" is.

 

[bystander36]

I'd consider the 880 as more of a 770 replacement, and less of a 780 replacement. The 780 was a unique card. It was more of a modified professional card from the start.

 

[Anarchist420]

dont understand why nvidia doesnt fix their drivers instead of churning out new hardware with drivers that disable half of what the hardware is capable of.

cant even run rogue leader in opengl because their drivers need so much work. and opengl is slow as hell in dolphin because nvidia wont enable full speed double precision on hardware that supports it (780s support it since they use GK110). aa bits for more DX11 apps would be nice too. making do not scale not would be nice if the display logic is capable of doing it lag-free regardless of the monitor used. would be nice if clamp negative lod bias worked like it used to. would be nice if all legacy fog formats were replicated and individually selectable. would be nice if shadow buffers were replicated and able to be used with forced SGSSAA. would be nice if all z optimizations were disableable and if they restored the quality of depth calculations back to the way they were in R275. would be nice if render zero frames ahead option was restored. would be nice if 32 bit render targets were forced when 16 bit ones are called for. would be nice if there was a check box to force D32 (32 bit log z-buffer) and SGSSAA in games that worked with 32 bit z-buffer or that used w-buffering. would be nice if alt texel center worked with forced SGSSAA. would be nice if trilinear mipmaps were forceable.

 

[KaRLiToS]

SNIP

We should really just close terrible threads like these where it's a rumour from a rumour from a rumour from a rumour from a rumour with no one actually caring who originally said anything.

I posted the article to share with everyone on Anandtech. And please, don't try to sound indifferent because every real GPU enthousiasts won't skip any rumours even if they sound fake or repetitive.

Also I should set up a terrible website where I make up crap, then set up some more websites that link to them, and then get progressively less terrible websites to link to those so that I can make up dumb rumours and pass them off as having some basis because no one every bothers to check what the actual underlying "source" is.

I doubt you'll do that, people like you prefer to complain instead of making some tangible work.

 

[RussianSensation]

It actually makes sense why GTX880 could end up cheaper. If it is GM204, it is a real replacement for 680/770 GK104 even if it ends up faster than 780Ti by 20-30%. There have been plenty of instances when NV's next generation mid-range either tied or beat the previous generation flagship. As a mid-range Maxwell card, with 2x performance/watt, it could easily beat a 780Ti in a 200W power envelope and sub-400mm2 die size, and be priced at $499-579.

This strategy would leave room for NV to release GM210 in 2H of 2015 for $699+.

It is a welcome rumor if NV won't continue to raise prices as it will put additional pressure on AMD as well. In the past, new generation of NV GPUs got 35-70% faster at more or less the $499-$649 level. Let's hope NV stays in this band, and closer to $499 would be even nicer for the 880.

 

[RussianSensation]

Nvm, double post.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

It actually makes sense why GTX880 could end up cheaper. If it is GM204, it is a real replacement for 680/770 GK104 even if it ends up faster than 780Ti by 20-30%. There have been plenty of instances when NV's next generation mid-range either tied or beat the previous generation flagship. As a mid-range Maxwell card, with 2x performance/watt, it could easily beat a 780Ti in a 200W power envelope and sub-400mm2 die size, and be prices at $499-579.

This strategy would leave room for NV to release GM210 in 2H of 2015 for $699+.

It is a welcome rumor if NV won't continue to raise prices as it will put additional pressure on AMD as well. In the past, new generation of NV GPUs got 35-70% faster at more or less the $499-$649 level. Let's hope NV stays in this band, and closer to $499 would be even nicer for the 880.

The Russian has spoken. He is by far the best member of this section of AT tech.
Much respect sir.

 

[KaRLiToS]

The Russian has spoken. He is by far the best member of this section of AT tech.
Much respect sir.

I agree with that. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[TreVader]

GTX 880 starting now at only $689.99.


SEE WE LOWERED THE PRICE BECAUSE WE SELL STUFF AT REASONABLE PRICES


You're welcome you [redacted] customers.

Infraction issued for inflammatory language.
-- stahlhart

 

[TreVader]

It actually makes sense why GTX880 could end up cheaper. If it is GM204, it is a real replacement for 680/770 GK104 even if it ends up faster than 780Ti by 20-30%. There have been plenty of instances when NV's next generation mid-range either tied or beat the previous generation flagship. As a mid-range Maxwell card, with 2x performance/watt, it could easily beat a 780Ti in a 200W power envelope and sub-400mm2 die size, and be prices at $499-579.

This strategy would leave room for NV to release GM210 in 2H of 2015 for $699+.

It is a welcome rumor if NV won't continue to raise prices as it will put additional pressure on AMD as well. In the past, new generation of NV GPUs got 35-70% faster at more or less the $499-$649 level. Let's hope NV stays in this band, and closer to $499 would be even nicer for the 880.

If the specs are correct it probably will offer something slightly better than a 780ti at lower resolutions.


I still think memory bandwidth will be an issue with a <384 bit bus but who knows maybe it's 768 bit.


In all honesty I expect a $499 price tag and anywhere from 30% more to 20% less performance vs 780ti depending on whether it's a game that needs a ton of MSAA. Would be great at $399 but likely be sold at 499.

 

[Lonyo]

I posted the article to share with everyone on Anandtech. And please, don't try to sound indifferent because every real GPU enthousiasts won't skip any rumours even if they sound fake or repetitive.




I doubt you'll do that, people like you prefer to complain instead of making some tangible work.

What tangible work did you do to make the thread? You attribute it to Tweaktown whereas in fact it is from Cyberland PC, not Tweaktown. You could update the OP to reflect the fact it's a rumour of a rumour of a rumour of a rumour of a rumour and put the original source of the rumour.

And I'm complaining about how absolutely terrible tech journalism and how it results in groundless rumours like this being thought of as "legit" because 5 steps along some website that people have heard of picks it up.
It's not your fault that TweakTown decided to run with a 5th hand crappy rumour from a groundless source, but you could have put in a tiny bit of effort to see how terrible and pointless their article was and how it's not actually from "them" at all.

The whole point of putting websites in the title of threads was to indicate whether a piece of information might be actually worthwhile, but when sites do stupid crap like this, putting the website of the 5th step along in the rumour means it's pretty pointless to put anything at all when no one actually checks anything.

 

[SinOfLiberty]

The "source" isn't TweakTown, it's WCCFTech, as it says at the bottom of the Tweaktown article.

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-880-800-series-powerful-cheaper-700-series/

THEIR source is EXPReview
http://www.expreview.com/34003.html

THEIR source is "KDramaStars"
http://www.kdramastars.com/articles/24370/20140609/gtx-800-series-news.htm

THEIR source is "Cyberland PC"

I have no idea what that is as there is no link, but I assume it's just a reliable as anyone else, i.e. not at all.
So yes. Tweaktown having nothing to say is because it's a 5 website deep rumour. GG.

We should really just close terrible threads like these where it's a rumour from a rumour from a rumour from a rumour from a rumour with no one actually caring who originally said anything.

Also I should set up a terrible website where I make up crap, then set up some more websites that link to them, and then get progressively less terrible websites to link to those so that I can make up dumb rumours and pass them off as having some basis because no one every bothers to check what the actual underlying "source" is.

There is no "proper" source that posts rumors. Let it be Swecklcokers or any other source.

You mean, we have to close all rumor threads?

 

[Grooveriding]

Pretty sure 780ti to 880 will be like 580 to 680 was; from a big die on the old node to a small die on the new node with a 20-25% performance increase for $500. The real deal flagship to come 6-9 months later for $1000 with some worthless DP and another 30% of performance. Then a cut down version for $650 a few months later

No reason to change what worked on 28nm to jack up prices and sell mid range cards at flagship prices and flagship cards at even higher prices.

 

[Rezist]

Yeah this only confirms that the midrange will launch first to replace the top range card probably could be due to yields on larger dies etc. So 20-30% faster then 780 for prices probably 20-30% higher then a 770. It's still an improvement but honestly probably better to buy the older 28nm cards at better discounts.

 

[Cloudfire777]

GTX 800 series better than GTX 700 series?
GTX 680 was 20-25% better than the biggest Fermi chip (GTX 580), despite the chip being much smaller and memory bus smaller.
Same thing will happen with GM204 too I suppose.

But the price?
Rumors about ARM processor(s) incorporated on the same PCB, more expensive production (cost for new node, lower yields if its 20nm vs current 28nm, more advanced lithography for 20nm etc), that 680 was more expensive than 580 when it launched although the 680 was much smaller in size (less silicon used).
Call me sceptical about that one.

Current price for GTX 780 Ti is $700. By the time GTX 880 launch, GTX 780 Ti price will be lower. I guess if you look at the price when the GTX 880 launch, the rumor hold no truth. If you look at the price now against the GTX 880 when it launch, it could be true.

All in all, I feel the rumor is just made up to get traffic, dazzled with some statements that have a high probability to happen.

 

[tviceman]

It actually makes sense why GTX880 could end up cheaper. If it is GM204, it is a real replacement for 680/770 GK104 even if it ends up faster than 780Ti by 20-30%. There have been plenty of instances when NV's next generation mid-range either tied or beat the previous generation flagship. As a mid-range Maxwell card, with 2x performance/watt, it could easily beat a 780Ti in a 200W power envelope and sub-400mm2 die size, and be priced at $499-579.

This strategy would leave room for NV to release GM210 in 2H of 2015 for $699+.

It is a welcome rumor if NV won't continue to raise prices as it will put additional pressure on AMD as well. In the past, new generation of NV GPUs got 35-70% faster at more or less the $499-$649 level. Let's hope NV stays in this band, and closer to $499 would be even nicer for the 880.

The problem is, though, these rumors don't make any sense. GM104 will almost definitely not have a 512-bit bus. Furthermore. In order for GM104 to substantially surpass gtx780 TI on 28nm, it would have to be a significantly beefier chip (relative to it's siblings) than GK104 and GF114 were.

Perhaps that is Nvidia's strategy, create an aggressive 2nd tier GPU to keep it's ASP higher, while relegating the flagship die to permanent stratosphere prices. It's already starting to work now - AMD started 28nm with inflated prices across the board and after awhile Nvidia pumped up prices even more with Titan and GTX780. Then when Nvidia announced TitanZ, AMD swooped down looking like a not-for-profit charity with their not-as-bad-but-still-bad $1500 295x.


I think I am going to skip Maxwell/sea islands on the desktop and wait for Pascal.