TUSL2-C + Windows Me=Memory problems, Freemem required

[arga]

Memory doesn´t free-up unless I use some special program like "Freemem".
This happens in many different scenarios, but I will put a simple one:
For example, if I move a 100 MByte file from one partition to another, I lose
a big amount of memory that won´t be released anymore.
If I do this a few times, my memory gets completelly depleted !!!
My PC still works, but it has frequent "micro-freezings", for example, if I click something with the mouse,
it freezes for a second or 1/2 second.

If I monitor this phenomenon with Freemem, I can see the waveform: the memory available drops
to zero and stays there unless I free it using Freemem.

arga

 

[oldfart]

Its pretty well known that WinME is the worst OS you could use. 98SE, Win2K, XP are all better options.

 

[Witchfinder]

Agreed! .

I`d upgrade to an NT based OS like 2K or XP ASAP with a meaty tualatin based system as they handle memory and , well, everything else - far better.. IMO 98 is for sub-500Mhz / Sub 256Mb systems as iit`s getting long in the tooth and M.E is for people you don`t like..

 

[Palek]

ME has a bug in it called a memory leak. Your OS does not get back memory from terminated applications, and after a while it simply freezes due to a lack of usable memory. MS is not going to fix it, they have long forgotten WinME together with the poor suckers (I count myself among them) that went for it...

Like the others said, get rid of WinME and move on to WinXP. I recommend XP and not 2k - even though I prefer 2k - simply because XP has much better driver support.

 

[arga]

Hi oldfart!
yes, I know, you told me that before, maybe I try w98 to see if this
problem persists.

But I have my doubts. Lets see if anyone else has the same configuration (TUSL2+Me)

This problem is so critical that I doubt Win Me is to blame. Maybe the 815 chipset b-step?
or even ASUS implementation?


On a side note, Hey oldfart, remember? I had a Sambsung 80GB 5400 rpm harddrive and it was very silent.
But I have now bought a Barracuda ATA 4 80 GB, and it is even more silent than the Samsung.
The fluid bearings work very well. And now, the Barracuda is cheaper than the Samsung in the shops.
well, I have just installed the Barracuda, so I can´t tell if it is reliable yet. If it is, then this is a superdrive.
Highly recomended.

 

[arga]

AHA! Palek:
"Memory Leak" is the perfect description for it. Well, actually, my computer doesn´t freeze completely,
but it freezes for a couple of seconds each time it needs to swap memory.

So, acording to you, guys, the bug is in Windows ME, and not in the Tualatin system?

I thought it could be a bug in the Tualatin System because Intel used Tualatins as a transitional solution
and later focused into P4. Then I though "maybe they didn´t put much development into Tualatins".

Yes, maybe its time to move towards XP.

Ah, another note: I e-mailed ASUS support. I had to wait 1 week for the first answer. Second answer never came.
Completely useless.

 

[arga]

http://www.extremetech.com/article/0,3396,s%3D201%26a%3D8748,00.asp

yes, Win Me has a Memory leak problem, but it is a HUGE BUG!!
You don´t have to run weird applications to get this problem.
JUST GO TO WINDOWS EXPLORER, MOVE BIG FILES FROM ONE PARTITION TO ANOTHER
AND YOU WILL RUN OUT OF MEMORY!!

I AM NOT GOING TO BUY WINDOWS XP!! I AM GOING TO GET A CRACKED COPY OF IT!!
MICROSOFT ARE A BUNCH OF THIEFS!!

arga!

 

[oldfart]

Hi arga. I feel bad for all the people who bought new PC's that were preloaded with ME. They got really shafted. MS should either patch the thing to fix the problems or at least offer a very generous trade in for another OS.

 

[arga]

My copy of Me is original but I got it from my father, I didn´t buy it myself.

Anyway, its incredible!!

the CPU utilization utility (System monitor) doesn´t work,
System Restore doesn´t work unless you patch it
And now the Memory Leak problem.

I am sure that many people has this memory leak problem but they are not
aware of it. They need a memory monitor, for example ASUS PC PROBE, to
see the problem. Otherwise, they will experience micro-freezings, but they won´t realize that
the bug is in the memory!!

 

[arga]

I have installed win98, and it seems that the memory leak has dissapeared or, at least,
diminished. My hard disks go faster and my CDROM drive makes less noise!!
yes, with Windows Millenium my CDROM made a lot of noise!! I can´t believe it!

I will think about installing XP...

 

[arga]

yep, its me again. I am in W98 and I still have memory leaks. I will try xp or another video card...

 

[oldfart]

NT based OS such as 2K or XP has MUCH better memory management.

 

[arga]

First I am going to install 98 anew, with minimal drivers, and see if this problem appears.
Later, I will progressively install more things...

Maybe 98 and Me have poor memory management, but I don´t think its soo poor!!
I am talking about simple things such as moving 100 MB from one disk to another using Windows explorer.
I don´t think this is a demanding task that justifies memory leaks... I want to know what is really the cause.
Maybe Windows is not guilty on this...

 

[arga]

done! and the problem appears again.
I have done a clean installation, OS only, not even the INF drivers, not even the
Intel UATA, not even graphics card driver... just FreeMem, and the problem persists.

The news is that now, when available memory reaches near ZERO, I don´t experience micro-freezings like in Win ME.
Now, when memory closes to ZERO, everything is ok, apparently.

So, big question: IS IT NORMAL THAT FREE MEMORY REACHES NEAR ZERO? hummm...

I am going to install the hacked version of XP, and see...

By the way, after installing Intel UATA drivers, transfer rates between 2 discs, multiplied by 5!!!
I moved 300 MBytes (3 mpg files) from one hard disk to the other:
without Intel UATA: 100 seconds
with Intel UATA: 20 seconds!!!

why people say that intel UATA drivers are crap???

arga

 

[arga]

well, well, well... I have installed XP, and, indeed, the problem is solved completelly.
After moving 300 MB, some amount of memory is lost, but shortly afterwards, it goes back
to the previous value.

oldfart, I have checked your rigs, and I see that your kids' #1 have W98 installed.
Please, see if you can reproduce my problem:

if you just have one hard disk and also one partition, copy a big folder from one place to another.
100 MB should be sufficient, but 300 MB would be better.
Please, note that transfers from one disk to the same disk are very stressing for the drive!! (the heads
have to move from the origin to the destination many times)
so first try 50 MB, and later 100MB, etc.

Also, you must have a memory monitor, like ASUS PC Probe, or FreeMem (this program is free, you can download
it for free).

Of course, if anyone else wants to do the test, he/she is welcome!!

arga

 

[cr4pz0r]

I agree with the fact that Windows 9x - especially Windows Me - is a pile of crap. I'm running Windows XP Pro (Corporate) now.

 

[arga]

yeah, but I would like to confirm that the problem is in Windows 9x, not in the TUSL-2 or intel chipsets.

Please, if someone could do the test it would be interesting for everyone, specially for those who have
not yet migrated towards XP.

 

[Insane3D]

No offense arga, but you seem to be one of those types that asks a question and when the answer is not one you like, you keep insisting on ignoring it and asking the same question again hoping for a different answer you like better.. Let me spell it out for you.....


Windows 9X, including Windows 95, 98, 98SE, and yes, ME, have chronic memory leak problems. Your OS is the cause of the problem, not, I repeat, not your hardware. The solution to this is to upgrade to WinXP or Win2K ASAP. Simple. Period.


Let's review....


Win9X=Baaaaaaaaaaad, frequent memory leaks.

Win2K or WinXP = Better performance, stability, and memory usage.


I hope this has helped you...


If you are still not sure, please read this post repeatedly until you understand. Thank you.

 

[arga]

Thank you for your "polite" reply.

Look, I have no problem accepting the explainations that people gave me.
I am no Bill Gates fan.
The problem is that I find extremelly SERIOUS that by just MOVING files from one disk to
another, I get out of memory. THIS IS SUCH A BUG, THAT, IF TRUE, BILL GATES SHOULD BE IN JAIL.

I have read in other sites that memory leaks appear when you run bad designed applications, which
don´t free-up the memory they borrow. But I have reproduced the BUG with a clean install,
both in W98 and WinMe: just moving big files and voilá!

I just want to make completelly sure its MS's fault. Why? because when, in the future, I give
my oppinion about Microsoft, I want to be fair. I wouldn´t like to accuse them of something that
is not their fault.

If you can´t see my logic, no problem, just get out of this thread.

 

[arga]

well, I have assembled back my old PC, a Pentium, with Triton motherboard, 128 MB RAM,
installed W98, Freemem, and yes, it happens here too.
I just moved 50 MB from a CDROM into the Hard drive, and the free memory went from 30 MB to
just 2 MB, and it didn´t free up!!

So it is Windows, decidedly. WHAT A CRAP OF OSs!! BILL GATES IS A SHIT-SELLER

"Thank you all" for being so "cooperative" ( it was a very very simple test that I was asking you
and noone did it).

Anyway, if anyone still wants to do the test, you can get the program "FreeMem Standard", it is free
(do a Google search and you will find it, you don´t even need to register). You will be able to see a
waveform "Free Memory versus Time". You will also be able to free-up memory just by clicking a button.

 

[dbal]

Sorry don't u think think u are too obsessed with the whole story? It's like u have discovered America in 2002 by "informing" us that all OSs except the NT based ones, have problems in memory management :Q
And don't fool yourself-u are not the one to send Gates in jail...

P.S: BTW do u have any kind of relationship (relatives or sth like that ) with the company that produces the freemem program to promote it so strongly???:disgust:

 

[arga]

I have discovered the memory problem now. And I am puzzled because if you
do a google search for "memory leakage" you will not find any site which addresses
the problem in a simplistic way.
So it is not true that everybody knows about this memory problem, i.e, that just by copying
big files with Windows Explorer you will run out of memory!!!


Yes, many of you know that W98 and Wme have generic "memory problems", but
noone addressed the problem in a straightforward manner as I do. Just move files
using windows explorer and you will run out of memory.

About me being a salesman for FreeMem:
1. I suggested to use PCProbe (ASUS) instead, but this program doesn´t draw a graph.
2. Then, I suggested the FREE version of FreeMem. so you don´t have to pay.
3. Now I tell you: there are other Memory management programs; I haven´t try them.
I have read that FreeMem is not the best. But it is readily available, it is the one I have used,
it is free, and it serves my purpose of monitoring the free memory. That is why I suggested it!!

I don´t know why all this hostile reaction towards me.
The moderators have even closed my other thread about Windows memory management!!!
This is a ridiculous behaviour. It seems that this forum doesn´t allow critizism towards the
industry!! We just have to eat shitty products and smile??

It seems that this forum is serving the agenda of the IT industry, not helping the users!!

I am sure many people doesn´t know that just moving files with Windows Explorer,
they are liquidating their memory!!

arga

 

[arga]

search for alternative programs for FreeMem here:

http://download.com.com/3120-20-0.html?qt=freemem&tg=dl-20

 

[oldfart]

Arga, the thing is, it is a well known fact that Win9x memory management just plain sucks. It has so many other drawbacks such as 4 Gig Fat32 file size limit, poor networking, security, on and on. Its just way below Win2K/XP in pretty much every way. Most everyone has moved off of 9x some time ago. I cant see why any "enthusiast" on these forums would still be using it. It's kind of like posting that 3dfx only supports 16 bit color and 256x256 max texture size. It's old news and people have moved on long ago.

 

[arga]

Oh, excuse me for not being a "top-notch" enthusiast!!
so, it is required to be a "top-notch enthusiast" to post here?
nonsense!

anyway, no bad feelings for you, oldfart

arga