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Originally posted by: desteffy
I am almost certain a couple kids were copying off eachother in my exam today since they sat next to eachother and have a few common wrong answers.

They will both get 0.0 either way, they failed every test,

However, if I turn them into the academic misconduct board they get FAR worse than that, probably 0.0 in all their courses this term and suspended for at least one term.

I've basically made my decision already, just curious what you guys think.


EDIT:

I AM THE INSTRUCTOR. A lot of people down there think I'm a fellow student for some reason.

"turning them in" dosent automatically get them in trouble, It just means another group reviews the evidence and they make all final decisions.
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i guess if you're the teacher, then you should talk with them about it. im not sure what to do as far as turning them in since i would feel really bad if they were kicked out of school or something like that.
 
Take the middle route. Instead of turning them in, call them into your office and tell them that the next time you catch them cheating will be the last time you catch them cheating.
 
Originally posted by: jst0ney
I saw some people cheating in dental school. I didn't really like them that much but I didn't really want to turn them in. So I decided to walk by them on the way to our next class and say that they better be careful because everyone knows. As far as I know the either quite or got very sneaky. Turing them in without talking to some independent party is a bad idea. If you were mistaken you have falsely accused them and the professor will always doubt people that were accused of cheating.
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I think cheating in a professional school (such as dental or medical school) is worse than cheating in highschool or undergrad college. In the later they're just f'ing themselves. In professional schools, once they graduate, they'll be f'ing their patients. And that's just not right!
 
Originally posted by: desteffy
I am almost certain a couple kids were copying off eachother in my exam today since they sat next to eachother and have a few common wrong answers (very wrong). Also, I saw some suspicious activity during the exam (shifty eyes, one guy had the bill of his hat pulled over his eyes a good part of it)

They will both get 0.0 either way, they failed every test,

However, if I turn them into the academic misconduct board they get FAR worse than that, probably 0.0 in all their courses this term and suspended for at least one term.

I've basically made my decision already, just curious what you guys think.


EDIT:

I AM THE INSTRUCTOR. A lot of people down there think I'm a fellow student for some reason.

"turning them in" dosent automatically get them in trouble, It just means another group reviews the evidence and they make all final decisions.
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Don't worry. With no brains, they also have no interview skills. They'll get what the deserve $100,000 in debt later.
 
just cuz they are cheating doesn;t mean they are failing, i have cheated, and gotten A's in those classes. But my answer is no, don't turn them in

Dogg
 
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Don't worry. With no brains, they also have no interview skills. They'll get what the deserve $100,000 in debt later.
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Naw, if they're in a frat or they play on the college team, you BET they can get a good job by interviewing with a company whose CEO is alumni.

Originally posted by: yellowfiero
Fail them.

<----- Professor of EE.
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I agree. Cheating is a terrible crime in academia.
 
Originally posted by: bootymac
If you're the instructor, isn't your responsibility to bust cheaters and stuff? 😕
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Well yes, but they are already failing with 0.0.

My question really is, should unsuccessful their "last ditch" effort to pass the class by cheating leave them in much bigger trouble. (whatever the committee decides which could include 0.0 in ALL their classes this term, and or suspension for one or more future terms)
 
They cheated. Their standing in the class should have no effect on whether they receive punishment. I have a prof who guarantees the harshest punishment possible for anyone caught cheating, and I agree with that policy. At the very least, it should be on their record that they automatically failed for cheating.
 
Turn them in. They broke the rules in front of the instructor and need to be shown that it's not OK.

Besides, even if they didn't affect the grades in this class, they might affect the grades in the next.
 
<----- Former EE TA

If they cheat on labs, I talk to them and give them a second chance. I do penalize point but I don't downright fail them.

On the other hand, of the three semester teacher, I probably caught 1 person cheating. The professor was gentle and decided to give an 0 on the exam but not report him to the school for academic dishonestly. I think you need to take action.
 
Oh.. on the other hand, when my sister was a TA, her professor had an interesting approach. He stood up and made an announcement that he discovered evidence of wide scale cheating in the class and he has a list of suspects. He gave them a week to turn themselves in before submitting the list for academic dishonestly. If you turn yourself in, all you get is a zero on that lab. If you don't AND you're on the list... you're screwed.
 
Originally posted by: WhiteKnight
If they're failing anyway, don't worry about it. I was actually in a situation like that and I just sent an anonymous note to the prof, not naming and names, just indicating that there had been cheating. The prof took it from there and figured out who the cheaters were.
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Why? Whats the point of doing such a thing like that.
It is none of your buisness if they are cheating or not.



(s-a1)If they were cheating off of your paper, then thats a whole diffrent issue.


I detest people who decide that they should turn in someone for cheating, unless they were doing (situation a1)


If someone cheated off me, I wouldnt open my mouth--if I got in trouble then I would save my ass, but if not--then I have no problem.

-Monzi
 
Originally posted by: monzi
Originally posted by: WhiteKnight
If they're failing anyway, don't worry about it. I was actually in a situation like that and I just sent an anonymous note to the prof, not naming and names, just indicating that there had been cheating. The prof took it from there and figured out who the cheaters were.
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Why? Whats the point of doing such a thing like that.
It is none of your buisness if they are cheating or not.



(s-a1)If they were cheating off of your paper, then thats a whole diffrent issue.


I detest people who decide that they should turn in someone for cheating, unless they were doing (situation a1)


If someone cheated off me, I wouldnt open my mouth--if I got in trouble then I would save my ass, but if not--then I have no problem.

-Monzi
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If you know someone is cheating off you, wouldn't it serve you best to talk to the prof after the test and tell them that they were cheating off you so when the prof notices something fishy the other person couldn't blame you?
 
Yeah, if you're the instructor and you suspect cheating, its your job to investigate further.

You shouldn't be allowing students to wear hats during exams anyway, almost every prof I have make students take them off beforehand.
 
Originally posted by: desteffy
Originally posted by: OulOat
Since you already made up your mind, what's your decision?
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UPDATE: turned them in today to the academic misconduct committee
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You'll be sorry you did this when you realize how much bullsh!t paperwork is involved. If they were failing, and were still failing then why bother.
 
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