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Turn in, or not turn in....

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desteffy

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I am almost certain a couple kids were copying off eachother in my exam today since they sat next to eachother and have a few common wrong answers (very wrong). Also, I saw some suspicious activity during the exam (shifty eyes, one guy had the bill of his hat pulled over his eyes a good part of it)

They will both get 0.0 either way, they failed every test,

However, if I turn them into the academic misconduct board they get FAR worse than that, probably 0.0 in all their courses this term and suspended for at least one term.

I've basically made my decision already, just curious what you guys think.


EDIT:

I AM THE INSTRUCTOR. A lot of people down there think I'm a fellow student for some reason.

"turning them in" dosent automatically get them in trouble, It just means another group reviews the evidence and they make all final decisions.
 
Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
i mean its pretty bad when not only do you cheat, but you its bad when you are dumb enough to cheat and put the exact same answers!
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yeah.. especially in a class with such a low success rate (its a lower level math class)

I mean I kept telling them that even if they did want to copy, chances are if you cant do it, neither can the guy next to you, so dont be stupid.
 
you do realize that there is a very high likelihood that the people will find out you rated them out and it may not be good for you to do so....
 
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
you do realize that there is a very high likelihood that the people will find out you rated them out and it may not be good for you to do so....
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If i dont submit them, that will not be a reason.

The final decision isnt made by me anyway, technically we are reqiured to pass anything suspicious on to a committee that reviews it and makes the final decision. Obviously it would be me who submitted it.
 
Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
what type of authority are you? (a TA, Prof)...is this high school or college?
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College, I'm a graduate student, but I teach as an instructor (i am not a TA).
 
Turn them in only if you are certain that they cheated. If there is any chance that they didn't then just fail them.
 
Originally posted by: desteffy
Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
what type of authority are you? (a TA, Prof)...is this high school or college?
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College, I'm a graduate student, but I teach as an instructor (i am not a TA).
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tough choice


when i was an undergrad there was a fire alarm go off in the building of my calc III final, they were doing some testing of alarms i think and didnt tell anyone...well the prof. told us to take everything thinking it was a real fire..

well while standing outside some people had their books and were looking at the tests and books and talking in groups...

this went to one of those committies and they decided even though all the students saw this going on that they would not do anything about it because we were allowed 1 sheet on the test and the book or other people wouldnt help on that test :roll:

and of course its a curved class...i did really poorly on that final...pissed me off, no matter how much we complained the school just refused to admit there was cheating
 
If they're failing anyway, don't worry about it. I was actually in a situation like that and I just sent an anonymous note to the prof, not naming and names, just indicating that there had been cheating. The prof took it from there and figured out who the cheaters were.
 
Originally posted by: desteffy
Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
what type of authority are you? (a TA, Prof)...is this high school or college?
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College, I'm a graduate student, but I teach as an instructor (i am not a TA).
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I think, as an instructor, you are obligated to turn them in.
 
Originally posted by: hdeck
you don't have many friends, do you?
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What is that supposed to mean? I have lots of friends.

I do not make friends out of giving undeserved A's to my students and/or letting them cheat.
 
Originally posted by: flashbacck
Originally posted by: desteffy
Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
what type of authority are you? (a TA, Prof)...is this high school or college?
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College, I'm a graduate student, but I teach as an instructor (i am not a TA).
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I think, as an instructor, you are obligated to turn them in.
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yeah, i didn't see that he is actually the instructor. I'd turn them in then. I'd say he is obligated as well. If he were another student, then since they are failing, let it go.
 
do you like the people? if no, then definetly, if you're the teacher, then definetly, if not, then they're dumbasses whatever you do, so i dont care
 
i say turn them in, cheaters are one of the lowest forms of life in acadameia, in my opinion. They lack any integrity, I would take an F than to cheat out of respect to my professors and instructors. hopefully teach them a lesson. you know if they can cheat their way through this class they will do it again on subsequent courses.
 
I saw some people cheating in dental school. I didn't really like them that much but I didn't really want to turn them in. So I decided to walk by them on the way to our next class and say that they better be careful because everyone knows. As far as I know the either quite or got very sneaky. Turing them in without talking to some independent party is a bad idea. If you were mistaken you have falsely accused them and the professor will always doubt people that were accused of cheating.
 
Originally posted by: WhiteKnight
If they're failing anyway, don't worry about it. I was actually in a situation like that and I just sent an anonymous note to the prof, not naming and names, just indicating that there had been cheating. The prof took it from there and figured out who the cheaters were.
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I think its best to let the professor confront the people.

In CAD class 04 spring semester, i caught someone cheating off of me (copy and pasting my drawings into theirs) and I found it upon myself to bring it up with the professor. He confronted the person and from then on he had a hawks eye on all his work--get this, the dude continued to copy off of me two more times! I learned my lesson to never leave my files on the computer, even as a means of "backup" incase my floppy failed; so I started only saving it to my floppy and transfering it to comp when working on a file.
 
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