Turks Confront WWI Massacre of Armenians

[TheChort]

Three lawsuits were filed against Orhan Pamuk, accusing him of damaging the state. "He shouldn't be allowed to breathe," roared one nationalist group. In Istanbul, a school collected his books from students to return to him. On a news Web site, the vote ran 4-1 against him.

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[Sunbird]

Whats new?

Few nations and people can accept the did things wrong, like Japan in WW2, the USA now.

At least we whites in South Africa had the moral fibre in the end to realise what we were doing was wrong, and not to make excuses, and give the blacks the vote.

 

[Proletariat]

Bleh, I'm starting to notice a trend here. Whenever an Arab/Turkish/Persian state has a genocide/bad political-type thing on their hands they try to push it under the table, but if a Western state has done anything they are quick to point it out.

 

[Sunbird]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Bleh, I'm starting to notice a trend here. Whenever an Arab/Turkish/Persian state has a genocide/bad political-type thing on their hands they try to push it under the table, but if a Western state has done anything they are quick to point it out.

Its works the other way around too.

 

[TheChort]

Originally posted by: Sunbird
Whats new?

Few nations and people can accept the did things wrong, like Japan in WW2, the USA now.

At least we whites in South Africa had the moral fibre in the end to realise what we were doing was wrong, and not to make excuses, and give the blacks the vote.

if you are refering to the United States' imprisonment of Japanese Americans during wwii, I believe a public apology was made by the US govt.

My point in posting this article is that this genocide occurred 90 years ago and still the Turkish govt has not even hinted at the fact that their predecesors might be at fault for wiping out an entire ethnicity from a region.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: TheChort

Originally posted by: Sunbird
Whats new?

Few nations and people can accept the did things wrong, like Japan in WW2, the USA now.

At least we whites in South Africa had the moral fibre in the end to realise what we were doing was wrong, and not to make excuses, and give the blacks the vote.

if you are refering to the United States' imprisonment of Japanese Americans during wwii, I believe a public apology was made by the US govt.

My point in posting this article is that this genocide occurred 90 years ago and still the Turkish govt has not even hinted at the fact that their predecesors might be at fault for wiping out an entire ethnicity from a region.

No, he's talking about Iraq.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Sunbird

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Bleh, I'm starting to notice a trend here. Whenever an Arab/Turkish/Persian state has a genocide/bad political-type thing on their hands they try to push it under the table, but if a Western state has done anything they are quick to point it out.

Its works the other way around too.

Not really. At least the West teaches about the Holocaust, Native American genocide, and Slavery. I doubt the Armenian genocide is even in Turkish schoolbooks.

 

[TheChort]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Not really. At least the West teaches about the Holocaust, Native American genocide, and Slavery. I doubt the Armenian genocide is even in Turkish schoolbooks.

Exactly.
Most Turks, far from being taught to deny the Armenian Genocide, actually have no idea Armenians even lived in turkey in such high numbers before WWI.

 

[Sunbird]

Originally posted by: TheChort

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Not really. At least the West teaches about the Holocaust, Native American genocide, and Slavery. I doubt the Armenian genocide is even in Turkish schoolbooks.

Exactly.
Most Turks, far from being taught to deny the Armenian Genocide, actually have no idea Armenians even lived in turkey in such high numbers before WWI.

I'm not saying the west is totally like that, but it still takes them time to admit their wrongs, and heck, they mostly don't try to stop the bad things while they are happening, which is also bad in itself.

But I agree, Turkey should fess up.

 

[SuperTool]

I don't think Japan puts it's genocide in China and Korea in the textbooks either.

 

[TheChort]

what genocide?

 

[OFFascist]

Originally posted by: Sunbird
At least we whites in South Africa had the moral fibre in the end to realise what we were doing was wrong, and not to make excuses, and give the blacks the vote.

ROTFLMFAO

So thats what they are teaching you kids now at days. Thats so nice of yall to realize the error of your ways and "give" blacks the right to vote. Funny I thought the only reason South Africa changed was because they were afriad of a black uprising that would end up killing most of the whites so you gave them the vote to prevent violence.

Fat lot of good it did though. I'm glad I dont live in that shithole.

 

[OFFascist]

America generally doesnt have a problem admitting its mistakes, but that has alot to do with the fact that most Americans just dont give a fuck.

 

[Sunbird]

Originally posted by: OFFascist

Originally posted by: Sunbird
At least we whites in South Africa had the moral fibre in the end to realise what we were doing was wrong, and not to make excuses, and give the blacks the vote.

ROTFLMFAO

So thats what they are teaching you kids now at days. Thats so nice of yall to realize the error of your ways and "give" blacks the right to vote. Funny I thought the only reason South Africa changed was because they were afriad of a black uprising that would end up killing most of the whites so you gave them the vote to prevent violence.

Fat lot of good it did though. I'm glad I dont live in that shithole.

No, I could see it with my own eyes, thank you very much.

And yes, they were afraid of a black uprising, but only because then we would have had (militarily possible, thought not easy) to kill all the black people and wouldn't have any low level labour source anymore.

And by the way, where do you live?

Edit: Going to sleep now.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Sunbird

Originally posted by: OFFascist

Originally posted by: Sunbird
At least we whites in South Africa had the moral fibre in the end to realise what we were doing was wrong, and not to make excuses, and give the blacks the vote.

ROTFLMFAO

So thats what they are teaching you kids now at days. Thats so nice of yall to realize the error of your ways and "give" blacks the right to vote. Funny I thought the only reason South Africa changed was because they were afriad of a black uprising that would end up killing most of the whites so you gave them the vote to prevent violence.

Fat lot of good it did though. I'm glad I dont live in that shithole.

No, I could see it with my own eyes, thank you very much.

And yes, they were afraid of a black uprising, but only because then we would have had (militarily possible, thought not easy) to kill all the black people and wouldn't have any low level labour source anymore.

And by the way, where do you live?

Edit: Going to sleep now.

Um from the big American flag avatar and his sig its pretty damn easy to tell where he is from. LOL.

 

[KevinH]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Sunbird

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Bleh, I'm starting to notice a trend here. Whenever an Arab/Turkish/Persian state has a genocide/bad political-type thing on their hands they try to push it under the table, but if a Western state has done anything they are quick to point it out.

Its works the other way around too.

Not really. At least the West teaches about the Holocaust, Native American genocide, and Slavery. I doubt the Armenian genocide is even in Turkish schoolbooks.

Exactly. As far back as elementary school I was taught about the Trail of Tears, the Japanese interment in WW2, Slavery, etc. Trust us, America as a whole is by far the most self-critical nation out there.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: KevinH

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Sunbird

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Bleh, I'm starting to notice a trend here. Whenever an Arab/Turkish/Persian state has a genocide/bad political-type thing on their hands they try to push it under the table, but if a Western state has done anything they are quick to point it out.

Its works the other way around too.

Not really. At least the West teaches about the Holocaust, Native American genocide, and Slavery. I doubt the Armenian genocide is even in Turkish schoolbooks.

Exactly. As far back as elementary school I was taught about the Trail of Tears, the Japanese interment in WW2, Slavery, etc. Trust us, America as a whole is by far the most self-critical nation out there.

I'd say we try to be honest, not as honest as we could be though.

The most self-critical nation award I would say would have to go to India. They were invaded/genocided by the Arab/Persian Islamic armies at least 50 times and they have affirmative action IN FAVOR of muslims today.

Now thats whack.

 

[Vic]

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Summary: between 1915 to 1923, the Turkish government killed 1.5 million Armenians out of a total population then of 2 million.

 

[raildogg]

No biggie here. It was muslims massacring christians, so it doesn't really matter. Christians deserve it.

Many muslims and Turks even deny the genocide of Armenians. Someone finally brought up something thats been on my mind for a while. There had been discrimination against Armenians for centuries.

The muslims just couldn't get along with the Armenian christians and the muslim government ended up killing hundreds of thousands and eventually more than a million innocent Armenians. They wiped out an entire generation. They were simply killed because they were Christian and wanted independence.

Too bad there is no mention of genocide in Turkish textbooks. But again, its no big deal. Only christians were killed.

 

[0roo0roo]

wouldn't sell anyways, with all the stacks of mein kampf and the protocols of the elders of zion in the way.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
wouldn't sell anyways, with all the stacks of mein kampf and the protocols of the elders of zion in the way.

:roll:

Either way its hard to get ANY country to face the horrors they have commited. China and its quietness on Maos' "cultural revolution" and the losses of the "Great leap foreward"...I wonder even if in russia they learn all about stalin~ stalin made GREAT gains, but at the loss of MASSIVE amounts of life.

Every country is like this...but the reason we can climb above the rest is that we recognize our faults and agree to fix them. That and most of our population doesn't care anyways 😉

 

[CanOWorms]

Seems like many countries ignore or downplay the negative aspects of their history. I find this to be particularly true to European colonialism, Japanese, Turkey, etc. You still see all this crap about the British Empire and such when they massacred hundreds of millions of people. People only look at the good, not the bad.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Seems like many countries ignore or downplay the negative aspects of their history. I find this to be particularly true to European colonialism, Japanese, Turkey, etc. You still see all this crap about the British Empire and such when they massacred hundreds of millions of people. People only look at the good, not the bad.

I think most countries do this, including the US. It's human nature (and humans make up nations) to try and make yourself look great.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Seems like many countries ignore or downplay the negative aspects of their history. I find this to be particularly true to European colonialism, Japanese, Turkey, etc. You still see all this crap about the British Empire and such when they massacred hundreds of millions of people. People only look at the good, not the bad.

I think most countries do this, including the US. It's human nature (and humans make up nations) to try and make yourself look great.

Sure, but there are varying degrees. I don't see many people glorifying slavery or the genocide of natives. I see people glorifying the British Empire. Why is glorifying that ok but glorifying the Japanese Empire bad? Plus you have people like the Japanese and others who try to downplay the negative aspects of their colonialism. In fact, France just passed a law that states they must stress the positive aspects of colonialism in schools. They even ban films which show the true nature of their history. That's pretty extreme, in a class of its own.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Sure, but there are varying degrees. I don't see many people glorifying slavery or the genocide of natives. I see people glorifying the British Empire.

That's not a good comparison. English people don't glorify oppression of other peoples but they glorify the British Empire. Americans don't glorify slavery, but they do glorify the USA (and in some cases the confederacy). Seems pretty similar to me. They go nuts over the whole but gloss over the details.