Turkey Shoots Down Russian Warplane Near Border With Syria

[John Connor]

Holy shit! I had now idea they were that powerful! You would have thought France was more capable.

 

[WelshBloke]

I'd like to see NATO kick them out all together myself.

There is no way in hell NATO is going to kick Turkey out over this.

They are not going to lose one of their most powerful military members, that control one of the most important strategic areas over something that Turkey was entitled to do.

 

[norseamd]

I don't think so. Because the shoot down wasn't fundamentally over territory violation, it was over Russians bombing the crap out of Turkmen fighting Assad in Turkey's back yard.

Turkey was clearly waiting for any excuse to strike out at Russia, and maybe they got one, but they wanted to do it anyways.

And Russia won't bomb the Turkmen rebels any less after this, it will probably go full Grozny on them. So Turkey will have to sit there and watch its allies and historical kin destroyed, or it will have to keep striking out at Russia.

Honestly I think I will say fuck them.

https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/NewsReports/565547-syria-turkmen-move-to-form-anti-kurd-army

 

[AtenRa]

For those of you that said the SU-24 was warned before entering Turkish airspace. You have to understand that Turkey had no authority to warn the SU-24 when the Russian aircraft were flying over Syrian airspace.
You only warn when you have a violation, not when the aircraft is flying out of your airspace.

Secondly, you dont engage and fire on an air target for violating your airspace in a depth of 1.36 miles, 1.5 miles in length for 17secs according to the official Turkish UN statement.

You have to understand that in Peace time (there is no war between Syria and Turkey or Russia and Turkey here), You have to make a eye contact identification first of bogeys entering your airspace, warn them to leave your airspace, escort them out of your airspace. Nothing like that happened here, the SU-24 was fired upon from a long distance (the F-16 should of been within Turkey airspace when opened fire) probable without even been identified by the Turkish F-16 before it opened fire.

 

[shady28]

Let's be real here.

ISIS oil refineries and trucks just got the shit bombed out of them over the last week.

ISIS sells that oil via Turkey. It *was* a $1.5M/day trade. Russia just took most of that out.

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-is...yrian-oil-flow-despite-us-led-strikes-2014-10

But some low-quality crude has been smuggled to Turkey where prices of over $350 a barrel, three times the local rate, have nurtured a lucrative cross-border trade.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/is...muggling-previously-thought-officials-n397836

Oil smuggling, much of it to Turkey, is a key source of income for ISIS.

Then Turkey shoots down a Russian ground attack aircraft.

A few years ago there was a 60 Minutes documentary on the ground in Syria where rebels were meeting with US agents, going to Turkey and being put up in a hotel, and receiving arms and equipment via Turkey.

It's well-known that Turkey has supported ISIS when it attacked the Kurds, giving them air support.

There is a long list of evidence showing all of the above, and more, over the past couple of years. Turkey is ISIS lifeline. Without the weapons and oil money, they can't pay their fighters.


Turkey and NATO are just practicing hypocrisy and misdirection via propaganda.

Anyone with more than 2 brain cells to rub together can see that Turkey is a major liability to NATO. In fact, it may be a major liability to survival of the human race in general if they keep acting this way.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Secondly, you dont engage and fire on an air target for violating your airspace in a depth of 1.36 miles, 1.5 miles in length for 17secs according to the official Turkish UN statement.

you don`t have a clue.....

 

[norseamd]

For those of you that said the SU-24 was warned before entering Turkish airspace. You have to understand that Turkey had no authority to warn the SU-24 when the Russian aircraft were flying over Syrian airspace.
You only warn when you have a violation, not when the aircraft is flying out of your airspace.

Secondly, you dont engage and fire on an air target for violating your airspace in a depth of 1.36 miles, 1.5 miles in length for 17secs according to the official Turkish UN statement.

You have to understand that in Peace time (there is no war between Syria and Turkey or Russia and Turkey here), You have to make a eye contact identification first of bogeys entering your airspace, warn them to leave your airspace, escort them out of your airspace. Nothing like that happened here, the SU-24 was fired upon from a long distance (the F-16 should of been within Turkey airspace when opened fire) probable without even been identified by the Turkish F-16 before it opened fire.

The Turkish F-16s were in Turkish airspace the whole time. The missile was launched while the Russian Su-24MR was still in Turkish airspace. I do not think the Turkish and NATO accounts of the shootdown are false. However I do think there is a lot of shit going on outside of the shootdown, and that was probably responsible for Turkey deciding to shoot down the Russian Su-24MR.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Anyone with more than 2 brain cells to rub together can see that Turkey is a major liability to NATO. In fact, it may be a major liability to survival of the human race in general if they keep acting this way.

Any one with two brain cells can see that you have no grasp on the events of the middle east!!

 

[norseamd]

Let's be real here.

ISIS oil refineries and trucks just got the shit bombed out of them over the last week.

ISIS sells that oil via Turkey. It *was* a $1.5M/day trade. Russia just took most of that out.

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-is...yrian-oil-flow-despite-us-led-strikes-2014-10




http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/is...muggling-previously-thought-officials-n397836





Then Turkey shoots down a Russian ground attack aircraft.

A few years ago there was a 60 Minutes documentary on the ground in Syria where rebels were meeting with US agents, going to Turkey and being put up in a hotel, and receiving arms and equipment via Turkey.

It's well-known that Turkey has supported ISIS when it attacked the Kurds, giving them air support.

There is a long list of evidence showing all of the above, and more, over the past couple of years. Turkey is ISIS lifeline. Without the weapons and oil money, they can't pay their fighters.


Turkey and NATO are just practicing hypocrisy and misdirection via propaganda.

Anyone with more than 2 brain cells to rub together can see that Turkey is a major liability to NATO. In fact, it may be a major liability to survival of the human race in general if they keep acting this way.

Found this stuff in just the last few hours or so.

https://undercoverinfo.wordpress.co...bjective-to-destroy-kurds-not-just-pkk-kurds/

https://undercoverinfo.wordpress.co...ely-because-turkey-allows-it-to-the-evidence/

 

[JEDIYoda]

Secondly, you dont engage and fire on an air target for violating your airspace in a depth of 1.36 miles, 1.5 miles in length for 17secs according to the official Turkish UN statement.

They violated turkeys air space then shoot them down! You don`t allow your airspace to be violated ever! Next time instead of a mie it will be 5 and then 10....

 

[JEDIYoda]

Where does China stand on this?

Who cares??

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

 

[JEDIYoda]

And how many times the Turks have violated the Syrian/Greek air space. Yeah, the Kurds are likely to benefit the most from this.

quit trying to deflect.....you can b an idiot and say stupid things about everything....

 

[JEDIYoda]

Where is the Leader of the Free World?

The world wonders...

Only you wonder...the leader of the free world is doing exactly as he should....there is no need to react!

 

[JEDIYoda]

The pilot was not over Turkish airspace when he was repeatedly warned.

you do not know that......

 

[shady28]

Found this stuff in just the last few hours or so.

https://undercoverinfo.wordpress.co...bjective-to-destroy-kurds-not-just-pkk-kurds/

https://undercoverinfo.wordpress.co...ely-because-turkey-allows-it-to-the-evidence/

Yup, people stick their head in the sand and pretend it isn't so because it's easy. Water flows down the easy path, but usually winds up in a ditch.


Like this quote from one of your links :

• An ISIS commander told The Washington Post on August 12, 2014: “Most of the fighters who joined us in the beginning of the war came via Turkey, and so did our equipment and supplies.”

And from the Washington Post article :

Yusaf, the Islamic State commander who traveled to Reyhanli from Syria for an interview with The Washington Post, suggested that the group had the Turks to thank in part for its current success.

 

[norseamd]

Who cares??

Everyone cares. And China is doing the same thing it always has, which is best for them, and which everyone was expecting them to do.

 

[JEDIYoda]

How quickly u forget, or were you even born?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...kk7uc05G9zXeyQ

And don't forget that all US Presidents, except Ronald Reagan, have feared the Russians.
http://www.jfklibrary.org/JFK/JFK-in...le-Crisis.aspx

Thank your US Congress for continued sequestration of military.
http://www.defense.gov/News/Special-.../Sequestration

Nice try! But no.....

 

[norseamd]

Yup, people stick their head in the sand and pretend it isn't so because it's easy. Water flows down the easy path, but usually winds up in a ditch.

Here is another article from a very respectable website.

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...y-cut-islamic-state-supply-lines-erdogan-isis

 

[JEDIYoda]

Turkey supplied weapons to ISIS. US did not bomb ISIS (See how Russia effectively wiped their bases off the map in 2 weeks). SA and Qatar funded ISIS. There are many bad guys in the game.

lie much??

 

[shady28]

Here is another article from a very respectable website.

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...y-cut-islamic-state-supply-lines-erdogan-isis

Tons of info out there.

This from your link :

Not only has Erdoğan done almost everything he can to cripple the forces actually fighting Isis; there is considerable evidence that his government has been at least tacitly aiding Isis itself.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Is it a fact or speculation? If I head over to a Russian based site, they have a different story. It says, the Turkish aircraft made no radio contact whatsoever and crossed into the Syrian airspace while pursuing the Russian jet.

Depends on the Russian site! I speak fluent Russian. You mean to tell me that you would believe Russian sources?? hmmmm...ok!

 

[PottedMeat]

Somehow I do not see it happening in reality. Would take a lot of reverse engineering.

They might need to take a big coffee break though.

"Turkey has the second largest standing armed force in NATO, after the US Armed Forces, with an estimated strength of 495,000 deployable forces, according to a 2011 NATO estimate.[152] Turkey is one of five NATO member states which are part of the nuclear sharing policy of the alliance, together with Belgium, Germany, Italy, and the Netherlands.[153] A total of 90 B61 nuclear bombs are hosted at the Incirlik Air Base, 40 of which are allocated for use by the Turkish Air Force in case of a nuclear conflict, but their use requires the approval of NATO.[154]"

They are in Air Force guarded vaults I guess.

what kind of atrocities would i have to commit to get officially nuked by belgium or the netherlands?

 

[Jaskalas]

Russians are going to bomb the shit out of those Turkmen now.

And it begins...
Russia bombards Syrian rebels near site of downed Russian jet

 

[AtenRa]

They violated turkeys air space then shoot them down! You don`t allow your airspace to be violated ever! Next time instead of a mie it will be 5 and then 10....

Thats not how western/NATO airforces are operating in peace time.