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Turkey Launches Incursion Into Iraq - Roughly 10,000 Troops!

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Originally posted by: GrGr
Mr Talabani will do what is good for Mr Talabani.
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That's great and all, but the question was whether or not this was coordinated between Turkey and Iraq so your article goes to speculation and nothing more. Unless the report in the media was completely made up it seems there was coordiantion between the two at least a day in advance.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: GrGr
Mr Talabani will do what is good for Mr Talabani.
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That's great and all, but the question was whether or not this was coordinated between Turkey and Iraq so your article goes to speculation and nothing more. Unless the report in the media was completely made up it seems there was coordiantion between the two at least a day in advance.
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More Chicken Crap.

Iraq Protests Turkish Military Incursion

Iraq's central and regional governments have protested the Turkish army's incursion into Iraq to attack Kurdish rebels. Iraqi authorities say military action will not solve the Kurdish rebel problem and have called for diplomatic pressure on Ankara to withdraw its forces and use diplomacy instead.

Iraq's Foreign Minister Friday summoned the Turkish ambassador to protest Ankara's military incursion into northern Iraq.

Falah Mustafa Bakir is head of foreign relations for the largely autonomous Kurdistan Regional Government. He says the Turkish army has reached areas previously thought safe from the conflict and already destroyed two bridges important to villagers.

"We believe that it's the responsibility of the United States, of the federal Iraqi government, and the international community to put pressure on Turkey so that we find a different way of handling this problem," he said. "We understand that this is a problem, but it cannot be solved through military operations."
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Originally posted by: palehorse74
I'll need to speak to a few more friends before I take a stab at the repercussions here... but, in the meantime, I figured I'd give the rest of you a chance to comment on this development.



/discuss
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I spoke to a couple friends and they lold at me and told me not to worry

my friends are the greatest so if ur friends tell ya something diff they are retarted



 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: GrGr
Mr Talabani will do what is good for Mr Talabani.
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That's great and all, but the question was whether or not this was coordinated between Turkey and Iraq so your article goes to speculation and nothing more. Unless the report in the media was completely made up it seems there was coordiantion between the two at least a day in advance.
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Gee, coordination with a corrupt sellout is still coordination I guess. The government says there was no coordination with them. The OP claims there was with President Talabani. How are we to know? Talabani is a fishy figure with ties to both the CIA and Iranian intelligence. Looks like Talabani is using the US and Turks to crush his own political opponents. Nifty eh?

Do you remember a while ago when the Democratic Congress blasted the Turks for the Armenian Holocaust? Well a few days later when the Turks got so pissed off they threatened to cut ties to the US Bush himself said that that Holocaust happened a long time ago and was of little consequence in today's world. Imagine if he said that about the Jewish Holocaust.

Holocaust denial in the White House

...

Listen, first, to General Yasar Buyukanit, chief of the Turkish armed forces, in an interview with the newspaper Milliyet. The passage of the House resolution, he whinged, was "sad and sorrowful" in view of the "strong links" Turkey maintained with its Nato partners. And if this resolution was passed by the full House of Representatives, then "our military relations with the US would never be as they were in the past... The US, in that respect, has shot itself in the foot".

Now listen to Mr Bush as he snaps to attention before the Turkish general staff. "We all deeply regret the tragic suffering (sic) of the Armenian people... But this resolution is not the right response to these historic mass killings. Its passage would do great harm to our relations with a key ally in Nato and in the global war on terror." I loved the last bit about the "global war on terror". Nobody ? save for the Jews of Europe ? has suffered "terror" more than the benighted Armenians of Turkey in 1915. But that Nato should matter more than the integrity of history ? that Nato might one day prove to be so important that the Bushes of this world may have to equivocate over the Jewish Holocaust to placate a militarily resurgent Germany ? beggars belief.

Among those men who should hold their heads in shame are those who claim they are winning the war in Iraq. They include the increasingly disoriented General David Petraeus, US commander in Iraq, and the increasingly delusional US ambassador to Baghdad, Ryan Crocker, both of whom warned that full passage of the Armenian genocide bill would "harm the war effort in Iraq". And make no mistake, there are big bucks behind this disgusting piece of Holocaust denial.

Former Representative Robert L Livingston, a Louisiana Republican, has already picked up $12m from the Turks for his company, the Livingston Group, for two previously successful attempts to pervert the cause of moral justice and smother genocide congressional resolutions. He personally escorted Turkish officials to Capitol Hill to threaten US congressmen. They got the point. If the resolution went ahead, Turkey would bar US access to the Incirlik airbase through which passed much of the 70 per cent of American air supplies to Iraq which transit Turkey.

In the real world, this is called blackmail ? which was why Bush was bound to cave in. Defence Secretary Robert Gates was even more pusillanimous ? although he obviously cared nothing for the details of history. Petraeus and Crocker, he said, "believe clearly that access to the airfields and to the roads and so on in Turkey would be very much put at risk if this resolution passes...".

How terrible an irony did Gates utter. For it is these very "roads and so on" down which walked the hundreds of thousands of Armenians on their 1915 death marches. Many were forced aboard cattle trains which took them to their deaths. One of the railway lines on which they travelled ran due east of Adana ? a great collection point for the doomed Christians of western Armenia ? and the first station on the line was called Incirlik, the very same Incirlik which now houses the huge airbase that Mr Bush is so frightened of losing.

Had the genocide that Bush refuses to acknowledge not taken place ? as the Turks claim ? the Americans would be asking the Armenians for permission to use Incirlik. There is still alive ? in Sussex if anyone cares to see her ? an ageing Armenian survivor from that region who recalls the Ottoman Turkish gendarmes setting fire to a pile of living Armenian babies on the road close to Adana. These are the same "roads and so on" that so concern the gutless Mr Gates.

...
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This invasion is a classic example of when you can't stop a thing pretend you go along with it to save face.
 
Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
Originally posted by: GrGr
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Ever seen a chicken butchered
same stuff

runnin in circles with no head
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Jumping up and down and bleeding all over the place like there's no tomorrow........ hmmmm.

It's defintely not a perfect world, is it.
 
I have to agree with senseamp when he says---Anyone with half a brain saw this coming before we went into Iraq.

What was maybe not mentioned is the fact the Turkish wheels at the Turkish executive level were all greased before we went into Iraq. And the Iraqi occupation was supposed to be a two front pincer attack with the US attacking from both Kuwait and from Turkey. And then at nearly the last moment, the Turkish legislature said nyet to using Turkey.

That should have been the big clue to GWB&co. that the Kurdish question was a deal breaker for Turkey. But as history shows, fools rush in where angels fear to thread, and now we are paying for it later as the Kurdish question still hangs. And the only thing that stops the Kurds from declaring Independence is Turkey. Which will go ballistic if that ever happens.

As it is, the Kurds have had regional autonomy since Gulf war one, and as such, they never had it so good. And the Kurds will not be content to go back to just being another Iraqi minority with its oil wealth shared with their former oppressors. So for now they straddle the fence, but Turkey sure does not make fence sitting very comfortable for the long term.

With Turkish troops in Iraq being an accident waiting to happen.
 
Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
Originally posted by: palehorse74
I'll need to speak to a few more friends before I take a stab at the repercussions here... but, in the meantime, I figured I'd give the rest of you a chance to comment on this development.



/discuss
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I spoke to a couple friends and they lold at me and told me not to worry

my friends are the greatest so if ur friends tell ya something diff they are retarted
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wtf?! 😕
 
Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: GrGr
Mr Talabani will do what is good for Mr Talabani.
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That's great and all, but the question was whether or not this was coordinated between Turkey and Iraq so your article goes to speculation and nothing more. Unless the report in the media was completely made up it seems there was coordiantion between the two at least a day in advance.
Click to expand...

Gee, coordination with a corrupt sellout is still coordination I guess. The government says there was no coordination with them. The OP claims there was with President Talabani. How are we to know? Talabani is a fishy figure with ties to both the CIA and Iranian intelligence. Looks like Talabani is using the US and Turks to crush his own political opponents. Nifty eh?

Do you remember a while ago when the Democratic Congress blasted the Turks for the Armenian Holocaust? Well a few days later when the Turks got so pissed off they threatened to cut ties to the US Bush himself said that that Holocaust happened a long time ago and was of little consequence in today's world. Imagine if he said that about the Jewish Holocaust.

Holocaust denial in the White House

...

Listen, first, to General Yasar Buyukanit, chief of the Turkish armed forces, in an interview with the newspaper Milliyet. The passage of the House resolution, he whinged, was "sad and sorrowful" in view of the "strong links" Turkey maintained with its Nato partners. And if this resolution was passed by the full House of Representatives, then "our military relations with the US would never be as they were in the past... The US, in that respect, has shot itself in the foot".

Now listen to Mr Bush as he snaps to attention before the Turkish general staff. "We all deeply regret the tragic suffering (sic) of the Armenian people... But this resolution is not the right response to these historic mass killings. Its passage would do great harm to our relations with a key ally in Nato and in the global war on terror." I loved the last bit about the "global war on terror". Nobody ? save for the Jews of Europe ? has suffered "terror" more than the benighted Armenians of Turkey in 1915. But that Nato should matter more than the integrity of history ? that Nato might one day prove to be so important that the Bushes of this world may have to equivocate over the Jewish Holocaust to placate a militarily resurgent Germany ? beggars belief.

Among those men who should hold their heads in shame are those who claim they are winning the war in Iraq. They include the increasingly disoriented General David Petraeus, US commander in Iraq, and the increasingly delusional US ambassador to Baghdad, Ryan Crocker, both of whom warned that full passage of the Armenian genocide bill would "harm the war effort in Iraq". And make no mistake, there are big bucks behind this disgusting piece of Holocaust denial.

Former Representative Robert L Livingston, a Louisiana Republican, has already picked up $12m from the Turks for his company, the Livingston Group, for two previously successful attempts to pervert the cause of moral justice and smother genocide congressional resolutions. He personally escorted Turkish officials to Capitol Hill to threaten US congressmen. They got the point. If the resolution went ahead, Turkey would bar US access to the Incirlik airbase through which passed much of the 70 per cent of American air supplies to Iraq which transit Turkey.

In the real world, this is called blackmail ? which was why Bush was bound to cave in. Defence Secretary Robert Gates was even more pusillanimous ? although he obviously cared nothing for the details of history. Petraeus and Crocker, he said, "believe clearly that access to the airfields and to the roads and so on in Turkey would be very much put at risk if this resolution passes...".

How terrible an irony did Gates utter. For it is these very "roads and so on" down which walked the hundreds of thousands of Armenians on their 1915 death marches. Many were forced aboard cattle trains which took them to their deaths. One of the railway lines on which they travelled ran due east of Adana ? a great collection point for the doomed Christians of western Armenia ? and the first station on the line was called Incirlik, the very same Incirlik which now houses the huge airbase that Mr Bush is so frightened of losing.

Had the genocide that Bush refuses to acknowledge not taken place ? as the Turks claim ? the Americans would be asking the Armenians for permission to use Incirlik. There is still alive ? in Sussex if anyone cares to see her ? an ageing Armenian survivor from that region who recalls the Ottoman Turkish gendarmes setting fire to a pile of living Armenian babies on the road close to Adana. These are the same "roads and so on" that so concern the gutless Mr Gates.

...
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This invasion is a classic example of when you can't stop a thing pretend you go along with it to save face.
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Let's see. You claimed this move by Turkey was some sort of surprise. I showed you to be wrong and the best you can do is come back with same lame-ass ad hominem knee-jerk.

Pathetic.
 
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: GrGr
Mr Talabani will do what is good for Mr Talabani.
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That's great and all, but the question was whether or not this was coordinated between Turkey and Iraq so your article goes to speculation and nothing more. Unless the report in the media was completely made up it seems there was coordiantion between the two at least a day in advance.
Click to expand...

More Chicken Crap.

Iraq Protests Turkish Military Incursion

Iraq's central and regional governments have protested the Turkish army's incursion into Iraq to attack Kurdish rebels. Iraqi authorities say military action will not solve the Kurdish rebel problem and have called for diplomatic pressure on Ankara to withdraw its forces and use diplomacy instead.

Iraq's Foreign Minister Friday summoned the Turkish ambassador to protest Ankara's military incursion into northern Iraq.

Falah Mustafa Bakir is head of foreign relations for the largely autonomous Kurdistan Regional Government. He says the Turkish army has reached areas previously thought safe from the conflict and already destroyed two bridges important to villagers.

"We believe that it's the responsibility of the United States, of the federal Iraqi government, and the international community to put pressure on Turkey so that we find a different way of handling this problem," he said. "We understand that this is a problem, but it cannot be solved through military operations."
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Great. You still haven't shown this wasn't coordinated in advance, which is specifically what I was addressing. No doubt you can find all kinds of different opinions within the Iraqi government about this move by Turkey, just like we have all kinds of different reactions across the spectrum in our own government on just about any issue.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, but you sure didn't address a damn thing I said previously. Try, for once, to remain within the bounds of the actual discussion instead of just flailing around spastically in the usual manner in which you participate in these types of threads.

Thanks.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: GrGr
Mr Talabani will do what is good for Mr Talabani.
Click to expand...
That's great and all, but the question was whether or not this was coordinated between Turkey and Iraq so your article goes to speculation and nothing more. Unless the report in the media was completely made up it seems there was coordiantion between the two at least a day in advance.
Click to expand...

Gee, coordination with a corrupt sellout is still coordination I guess. The government says there was no coordination with them. The OP claims there was with President Talabani. How are we to know? Talabani is a fishy figure with ties to both the CIA and Iranian intelligence. Looks like Talabani is using the US and Turks to crush his own political opponents. Nifty eh?

Do you remember a while ago when the Democratic Congress blasted the Turks for the Armenian Holocaust? Well a few days later when the Turks got so pissed off they threatened to cut ties to the US Bush himself said that that Holocaust happened a long time ago and was of little consequence in today's world. Imagine if he said that about the Jewish Holocaust.

Holocaust denial in the White House

...

Listen, first, to General Yasar Buyukanit, chief of the Turkish armed forces, in an interview with the newspaper Milliyet. The passage of the House resolution, he whinged, was "sad and sorrowful" in view of the "strong links" Turkey maintained with its Nato partners. And if this resolution was passed by the full House of Representatives, then "our military relations with the US would never be as they were in the past... The US, in that respect, has shot itself in the foot".

Now listen to Mr Bush as he snaps to attention before the Turkish general staff. "We all deeply regret the tragic suffering (sic) of the Armenian people... But this resolution is not the right response to these historic mass killings. Its passage would do great harm to our relations with a key ally in Nato and in the global war on terror." I loved the last bit about the "global war on terror". Nobody ? save for the Jews of Europe ? has suffered "terror" more than the benighted Armenians of Turkey in 1915. But that Nato should matter more than the integrity of history ? that Nato might one day prove to be so important that the Bushes of this world may have to equivocate over the Jewish Holocaust to placate a militarily resurgent Germany ? beggars belief.

Among those men who should hold their heads in shame are those who claim they are winning the war in Iraq. They include the increasingly disoriented General David Petraeus, US commander in Iraq, and the increasingly delusional US ambassador to Baghdad, Ryan Crocker, both of whom warned that full passage of the Armenian genocide bill would "harm the war effort in Iraq". And make no mistake, there are big bucks behind this disgusting piece of Holocaust denial.

Former Representative Robert L Livingston, a Louisiana Republican, has already picked up $12m from the Turks for his company, the Livingston Group, for two previously successful attempts to pervert the cause of moral justice and smother genocide congressional resolutions. He personally escorted Turkish officials to Capitol Hill to threaten US congressmen. They got the point. If the resolution went ahead, Turkey would bar US access to the Incirlik airbase through which passed much of the 70 per cent of American air supplies to Iraq which transit Turkey.

In the real world, this is called blackmail ? which was why Bush was bound to cave in. Defence Secretary Robert Gates was even more pusillanimous ? although he obviously cared nothing for the details of history. Petraeus and Crocker, he said, "believe clearly that access to the airfields and to the roads and so on in Turkey would be very much put at risk if this resolution passes...".

How terrible an irony did Gates utter. For it is these very "roads and so on" down which walked the hundreds of thousands of Armenians on their 1915 death marches. Many were forced aboard cattle trains which took them to their deaths. One of the railway lines on which they travelled ran due east of Adana ? a great collection point for the doomed Christians of western Armenia ? and the first station on the line was called Incirlik, the very same Incirlik which now houses the huge airbase that Mr Bush is so frightened of losing.

Had the genocide that Bush refuses to acknowledge not taken place ? as the Turks claim ? the Americans would be asking the Armenians for permission to use Incirlik. There is still alive ? in Sussex if anyone cares to see her ? an ageing Armenian survivor from that region who recalls the Ottoman Turkish gendarmes setting fire to a pile of living Armenian babies on the road close to Adana. These are the same "roads and so on" that so concern the gutless Mr Gates.

...
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This invasion is a classic example of when you can't stop a thing pretend you go along with it to save face.
Click to expand...
Let's see. You claimed this move by Turkey was some sort of surprise. I showed you to be wrong and the best you can do is come back with same lame-ass ad hominem knee-jerk.

Pathetic.
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You claimed it was approved by the Iraqis. It was not.

 
Originally posted by: GrGr
You claimed it was approved by the Iraqis. It was not.
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Because your red herring is the assumption that there should have been a plebiscite on this issue?

Talabani was informed. Your ad hominem whining about Talabani does not change that fact and considering his position, the Iraqis (through Talabani) were informed of what was happening.
 
So now TLC, the great GWB apologist comes back with----Great. You still haven't shown this wasn't coordinated in advance, which is specifically what I was addressing. No doubt you can find all kinds of different opinions within the Iraqi government about this move by Turkey, just like we have all kinds of different reactions across the spectrum in our own government on just about any issue.

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Excuse me TLC, this is just not your your ordinary disagreement about what he said or she said offensive. Its always an act of war when one country's military crosses into another's borders without express agreement. If nothing else, the guilty party is the USA who is responsible, as an occupying power, to protect Iraqi borders.

And you are the idiot who thinks the surge is working because the USA has done nothing to control the PKK and thus must rely on the tender mercies of the Turks? And here I thought we were supposed to have an Iraqi government making these decisions as GrGr pointed out.

TLC, what color is the sky on your planet?
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: GrGr
You claimed it was approved by the Iraqis. It was not.
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Because your red herring is the assumption that there should have been a plebiscite on this issue?

Talabani was informed. Your ad hominem whining about Talabani does not change that fact and considering his position, the Iraqis (through Talabani) were informed of what was happening.
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I didn't argue they were not informed. The link I posted said they were informed.

I argue they did not approve. Which the foreign minister is very clearly saying they did not. That is my argument.

"Hoshyar Zebari told the BBC Iraq did not approve the "limited" raid into a remote, uninhabited area, and said it should end "as soon as possible".

Get it now?

If Talabani was informed and approved it personally I question Talabani's motives for doing so.





 
Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: GrGr
You claimed it was approved by the Iraqis. It was not.
Click to expand...
Because your red herring is the assumption that there should have been a plebiscite on this issue?

Talabani was informed. Your ad hominem whining about Talabani does not change that fact and considering his position, the Iraqis (through Talabani) were informed of what was happening.
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I didn't argue they were not informed. The link I posted said they were informed.

I argue they did not approve. Which the foreign minister is very clearly saying they did not. That is my argument.

"Hoshyar Zebari told the BBC Iraq did not approve the "limited" raid into a remote, uninhabited area, and said it should end "as soon as possible".

Get it now?

If Talabani was informed and approved it personally I question Talabani's motives for doing so.
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So now you're claiming Talabani was informed but did not approve?

btw, I specifically stated that this was coordinated between Turkey and Iraq and Iraq was informed. That's all I stated so drop the straw man. And, once again, I don't give a shit about your ad hom argument against Talabani. Throwing doubt and casting aspersions is not proof. In fact, it's the resort of someone that has nothing else to fall back on.
 
Well now we cut to the chase when TLC accuses----In fact, it's the resort of someone that has nothing else to fall back on.

TLC, when you have nothing to fall back on other than the wisdom of GWB, you are in a heap of trouble. Or should I say this nation and world is in a heap of trouble.

As GWB has already found out, military interventions are always slippery slopes. Turkey is now starting down that path, it seldom works out as planned.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: GrGr
You claimed it was approved by the Iraqis. It was not.
Click to expand...
Because your red herring is the assumption that there should have been a plebiscite on this issue?

Talabani was informed. Your ad hominem whining about Talabani does not change that fact and considering his position, the Iraqis (through Talabani) were informed of what was happening.
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I didn't argue they were not informed. The link I posted said they were informed.

I argue they did not approve. Which the foreign minister is very clearly saying they did not. That is my argument.

"Hoshyar Zebari told the BBC Iraq did not approve the "limited" raid into a remote, uninhabited area, and said it should end "as soon as possible".

Get it now?

If Talabani was informed and approved it personally I question Talabani's motives for doing so.
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So now you're claiming Talabani was informed but did not approve?

btw, I specifically stated that this was coordinated between Turkey and Iraq and Iraq was informed. That's all I stated so drop the straw man. And, once again, I don't give a shit about your ad hom argument against Talabani. Throwing doubt and casting aspersions is not proof. In fact, it's the resort of someone that has nothing else to fall back on.
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Heh, the US supports the invasion of a foreign enemy to Iraq while the Iraqi government disapproves of the invasion. And you, obviously, support the US' stance on the matter.

This makes a mockery of any claim as to the 'sovereignty' of the Iraqi puppet government. They may protest all they wish obviously but the US, who is officially in Iraq at the invitation of the Iraqi puppet regime, won't listen of course.

You say it was coordinated between Turkay and Iraq is a grotesque stretch of the truth at best. Informing a country that you are going to invade it against it's wishes is hardly to "coordinate" anything :roll:

It was your link which brought up Talabani as a "coordinator" for Iraq. I merely pointed out the absurdity of a Kurdish leader to allow the age old enemy of all Kurds to invade his nation.



 
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Originally posted by: GrGr
I thought the US military was in Iraq by the invitation of the Iraqi government to protect the borders of Iraq from foreign enemies 😕
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LOL. Yep, Saddam said Bushie baby, please come over and bomb the shit out of us, then feel free to stay as long as you like. :laugh:
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It's no joke. The current puppet regime (Talibani et al) has officially invited the US to stay in Iraq...

"Above all, American forces provide Iraq with a much-needed deterrence capability. In the past, Iraq sought an illusory security through the follies of aggression, terrorism and weapons of mass destruction. Today, our external security comes from our alliance with the United States. Our neighbors can thereby be assured that we will settle all of our differences with them peacefully."

-President Talibani 2005

WSJ


Edit: Well it certainly is a joke, a very bad one.
 
Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: GrGr
You claimed it was approved by the Iraqis. It was not.
Click to expand...
Because your red herring is the assumption that there should have been a plebiscite on this issue?

Talabani was informed. Your ad hominem whining about Talabani does not change that fact and considering his position, the Iraqis (through Talabani) were informed of what was happening.
Click to expand...

I didn't argue they were not informed. The link I posted said they were informed.

I argue they did not approve. Which the foreign minister is very clearly saying they did not. That is my argument.

"Hoshyar Zebari told the BBC Iraq did not approve the "limited" raid into a remote, uninhabited area, and said it should end "as soon as possible".

Get it now?

If Talabani was informed and approved it personally I question Talabani's motives for doing so.
Click to expand...
So now you're claiming Talabani was informed but did not approve?

btw, I specifically stated that this was coordinated between Turkey and Iraq and Iraq was informed. That's all I stated so drop the straw man. And, once again, I don't give a shit about your ad hom argument against Talabani. Throwing doubt and casting aspersions is not proof. In fact, it's the resort of someone that has nothing else to fall back on.
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Heh, the US supports the invasion of a foreign enemy to Iraq while the Iraqi government disapproves of the invasion. And you, obviously, support the US' stance on the matter.

This makes a mockery of any claim as to the 'sovereignty' of the Iraqi puppet government. They may protest all they wish obviously but the US, who is officially in Iraq at the invitation of the Iraqi puppet regime, won't listen of course.

You say it was coordinated between Turkay and Iraq is a grotesque stretch of the truth at best. Informing a country that you are going to invade it against it's wishes is hardly to "coordinate" anything :roll:

It was your link which brought up Talabani as a "coordinator" for Iraq. I merely pointed out the absurdity of a Kurdish leader to allow the age old enemy of all Kurds to invade his nation.
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Right. If Bush had refused to allow Turkey to do this the same people whining about Turkey going into Iraq would be screaming HYPOCRISY! instead. For you guys it's not about the actual politics of this world. It's about hammering on the single-minded BDS rage that fuels practically everything you folks post in here. Fucking simpletons.

And more straw men? You better bust out the weed wacker. Surely you and GrGr are running out of straw at a rapid pace today?
 
Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I bet this news has Albanians a little nervous.
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Yeah, surprising the Turks support Kosovo but not Kurdistan isn't it. :roll:
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Not at all, a bit hypocritical until you realise that no one can pry Kurdish areas of Anatolia out Turkish hands. Kosovo on the other hand has not truly been in Serbian control for some 500 years.
 
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