Turkey bombs Kurds, Arms ISIS

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Jaskalas

Lifer
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Or, one can say obama's foreign policy plan is a complete failure.

What is United States policy on Turkey arming ISIS?
Probably to deny the whole thing is even happening.

Who knows... after Benghazi we probably paid the Turks to do that work for us.
 

Oric

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US and Turkey armed ISIS there is no denial on this fact and both sides are guilty.
US game plan was to topple Essad and strengthen the Kurds as the new ally in the region, thus you always hear how good the Kurds are in this conflict
Turkey's plan was to topple Essad and become major power in the Levant region.

Well these plans did not work

IS Turkey attacking Kurds ? Turkey is fighting PKK and YPG, which are armed guerilla groups, PKK is considered a terrorist organization by United States. The recent clashes have been with PKK.

kurds in Turkey are represented in the parliament and politically very active. There has been many human rights abuses on Kurds in Turkey but the sştuation has changed considerably in the last 10 years
 

norseamd

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US and Turkey armed ISIS there is no denial on this fact and both sides are guilty.

US game plan was to topple Essad and strengthen the Kurds as the new ally in the region, thus you always hear how good the Kurds are in this conflict.

Turkey's plan was to topple Essad and become major power in the Levant region.

Well these plans did not work.

IS Turkey attacking Kurds? Turkey is fighting PKK and YPG, which are armed guerrilla groups, PKK is considered a terrorist organization by United States. The recent clashes have been with PKK.

Kurds in Turkey are represented in the parliament and politically very active. There has been many human rights abuses on Kurds in Turkey but the situation has changed considerably in the last 10 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFmg2IVe334
 

bshole

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US and Turkey armed ISIS there is no denial on this fact and both sides are guilty.
US game plan was to topple Essad and strengthen the Kurds as the new ally in the region, thus you always hear how good the Kurds are in this conflict
Turkey's plan was to topple Essad and become major power in the Levant region.

Well these plans did not work

IS Turkey attacking Kurds ? Turkey is fighting PKK and YPG, which are armed guerilla groups, PKK is considered a terrorist organization by United States. The recent clashes have been with PKK.

kurds in Turkey are represented in the parliament and politically very active. There has been many human rights abuses on Kurds in Turkey but the sştuation has changed considerably in the last 10 years

As you are actually from the area, isn't the Middle Easts best interests for America to stay out of there? Does our meddling do anything other than to make things worse?
 

Oric

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As you are actually from the area, isn't the Middle Easts best interests for America to stay out of there? Does our meddling do anything other than to make things worse?

Which Middle East ? The British have succesfully shattered the ethnic and religious texture of the region in 1920. It is of course everyone's best interest if the foreign powers stay out but we all know that no world power wants to see powerful ME nations controlling their resources (see how US tried to control Iran but failed after 1979, sent Saddam against Iran etc. etc.).
 

sm625

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Well since the US already armed ISIS to the tune of billions of dollars worth of "conveniently abandoned" military equipment, (no one could have seen that coming, sure), then Turkey can only be described as a great ally for simply following in our footsteps and arming ISIS further.
 

kage69

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To add to your thoughts here, the Kurdish people are closely related to the Persians (Iranians), which is partly why they share decent relations with the Iranians. The Turks have a history of suppressing minorities though (Armenians, anyone?), and the Kurds are no exception. But I'm going to stop there. The whole dang problem with the Middle East is that you have all these tribes and ethnic groups raising arms engaging in tit-for-tat with each other. Where's the forgiveness? Where's the tolerance?

No wonder the region is burning in ashes.

It's there if you look for it. Wahabi muslims allowing churches to be built in Qatar, Chechen leaders preaching peace and forgiveness to end revenge killings, Sa'udi fathers making a trend of forgiving the guys about to get the sword...

I'm not saying forgiveness is a dominant social trait in the ME, clearly it isn't, but at the same time the area isn't as devoid of morals and civility as Fox and talk radio would have you believe.