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[Artdeco]

So I'm a Nazi because I don't want these lowlife muslims invading my country and killing my neighbors? Fine, I'm a Nazi. Now you can stop calling me a Nazi and tell me where I'm wrong instead.

Just put them on ignore (I did), anyone with such poor argument skills repeatedly invoking nazis isn't worth wasting your time on.

 

[shortylickens]

Don't you know anything? This is all Trump's fault.

Right Jimmy. Those people didnt start fighting until Trump decided to enter politics. Its not like this crap has been going on for thousands of years or anything.


Of course, I still think Trump is a piece of shit. But thats just a general observation.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Just put them on ignore (I did), anyone with such poor argument skills repeatedly invoking nazis isn't worth wasting your time on.

I actually don't mind being called a racist, islamophobe, or Nazi in light of current events. If they have no argument, just insults, then the insults don't bother me.

 

[agent00f]

Obviously the smart thing to do is to drop all restrictions and bring in as many Muslims as possible, without as little vetting as possible, so that they hate us less.

Of course, they'll still have to kill us, but at least they precious feelings won't be hurt.


Aw, it's so cute when you treat him as though he could actually think.


Tolerance which he obviously hates. One world, one government, one approved thought.

Honestly I can understand the muslim ban, if I killed a bunch of people in someone's family I wouldn't invite them to my house either.

As someone who could actually think, what do you think about americans generally vilifying the germans/nazis while congratulating themselves? I say generally because to be fair not all of them do.

 

[Jhhnn]

You're deflecting and running far as you can from Obama's Red Line, the smuggling weapons and supporting terrorists in Syria... of Clinton / Obama policy to act on regime change in Syria.

Of everything the United States has done to bring Syria and ISIS to where they are today.

I challenge you to admit that regime change is wrong for Syria, and that current US policy is worsening these terror attacks. Clinton is disastrous for being the architect of our Syrian policy, and Trump is right for questioning it.

Trump didn't question our policy wrt ISIS in the remarks you offer. He merely supported what he saw as the same stuff from the Russians.

If you really want to pin ISIS on anybody, pin it on the Bushistas who created the disorder allowing it to exist in the first place.

Regime change in Syria? It's been our policy for at least 40 years, all in support of our lying Israeli pals. The destabilization of the Bushistas created the opportunity.

Take solace in the idea that Hillary will probably snuggle up to them a lot closer than Obama ever did.

 

[woolfe9998]

Obviously the smart thing to do is to drop all restrictions and bring in as many Muslims as possible, without as little vetting as possible, so that they hate us less.

Of course, they'll still have to kill us, but at least they precious feelings won't be hurt.

The context of my remark was that Ugly Cassanova was maligning the notion that Trump could possibly be responsible in any way for any terrorist incidents. It's simply a fact that his remarks are being used by organizations like ISIS to recruit new members. I thought that fact was relevant to his comment and indeed it is.

OH, and taking issue with Trump's proposed total ban on all Muslim immigration is not the same thing as advocating that we "drop all restrictions and bring in as many Muslims as possible, without as little vetting as possible." Where you got that from my post is beyond me. I've previously stated that I don't support bringing in more than a relatively low number of Syrian refugees.

You talk about "hurt feelings" but I'm not talking about making just any sort of criticism. I'm discussing Trump's intention to ban all immigration from Muslim countries. That sort of assertion is bound to impair our security, not improve it. It's way beyond politically incorrect. It's just plain foolish.

 

[agent00f]

Just put them on ignore (I did), anyone with such poor argument skills repeatedly invoking nazis isn't worth wasting your time on.

I actually don't mind being called a racist, islamophobe, or Nazi in light of current events. If they have no argument, just insults, then the insults don't bother me.

I'm pretty sure the nazis wouldn't understand these clearest of arguments why they're the nazis either, which is rather the problem. These folks have plenty of blood on their hands eliminating politically expendable people which they conveniently deem evil, yet cannot begin to conceive why they're the bad guys.

But hey, Merica's a good place to live; our courts even honor the mental incapacity defense for crime.

You talk about "hurt feelings" but I'm not talking about making just any sort of criticism. I'm discussing Trump's intention to ban all immigration from Muslim countries. That sort of assertion is bound to impair our security, not improve it. It's way beyond politically incorrect. It's just plain foolish.

Actually it's these aforementioned folks who get feelings real hurt when it becomes painfully obvious that they're basically the class-a bigots from history class. I partly blame history teachers for not making it clear that their previous incarnations rationalized their beliefs the exact same way.
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Not coincidentally it was the abrahamic religions which popularized the idea of good/evil, and it's not without the heaviest irony that only other people are evil even when the religiously influenced are on all sides.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

I'm pretty sure the nazis wouldn't understand these clearest of arguments why they're the nazis either, which is rather the problem. These folks have plenty of blood on their hands eliminating politically expendable people which they conveniently deem evil, yet cannot begin to conceive why they're the bad guys.

So you're saying the Nazis weren't wrong, just misled? Interesting. Let's not forget that the survivors write the history books.

But hey, Merica's a good place to live; our courts even honor the mental incapacity defense for crime.

Thankfully I can disagree with that defense and not be locked up for dissenting views against our government policies. IMO, insanity is as good a reason as any for locking someone away.

 

[master_shake_]

why are people racist if they don't like muslims?

it's a religion.

 

[werepossum]

So I'm a Nazi because I don't want these lowlife muslims invading my country and killing my neighbors? Fine, I'm a Nazi. Now you can stop calling me a Nazi and tell me where I'm wrong instead.

If you had been paying attention, you'd know that he can neither stop calling you a Nazi nor tell you where you're wrong. His only variation is boasting about how much smarter he is than everyone else. Just ignore him, plenty of smart leftists here to actually give you a reasonable opposing opinion.

The context of my remark was that Ugly Cassanova was maligning the notion that Trump could possibly be responsible in any way for any terrorist incidents. It's simply a fact that his remarks are being used by organizations like ISIS to recruit new members. I thought that fact was relevant to his comment and indeed it is.

OH, and taking issue with Trump's proposed total ban on all Muslim immigration is not the same thing as advocating that we "drop all restrictions and bring in as many Muslims as possible, without as little vetting as possible." Where you got that from my post is beyond me. I've previously stated that I don't support bringing in more than a relatively low number of Syrian refugees.

You talk about "hurt feelings" but I'm not talking about making just any sort of criticism. I'm discussing Trump's intention to ban all immigration from Muslim countries. That sort of assertion is bound to impair our security, not improve it. It's way beyond politically incorrect. It's just plain foolish.

For the first point, people are responsible for their own actions, period. Showing our underbellies in submission only makes them bolder, since apparently even we agree that what they are doing is righteous.

For the second point, Trump's proposal was to ban all immigration from Muslim countries until we figure out how to properly vet Muslims coming in. I disagree that would do anything more than improve our long term security.

 

[agent00f]

So you're saying the Nazis weren't wrong, just misled? Interesting. Let's not forget that the survivors write the history books.

The nazis certainly didn't believe themselves to be wrong, just as you don't with a remarkably similar mindset. I'd say both are misled, but both are also perfectly satisfied as they were.

The remark on history books is apropos; just because the two nations happened to be on opposing sides of a war doesn't mean they were necessarily ideological enemies. It's not as if americans jumped into the war due to nazi beliefs & atrocities, the idea of an aryan nation would've appeal to many at the time and evidently still today.

If nazis are too hard to swallow, slave owners didn't believe they were wrong, their segregationist descendants didn't, nor modern nationalists perfectly motivated by exterminated the new baddies.

What happy circumstances we live where baddies are all really foreigny, presumably because by grace of god we've miraculously eliminated our own.

Thankfully I can disagree with that defense and not be locked up for dissenting views against our government policies. IMO, insanity is as good a reason as any for locking someone away.

Fortunately for us, the evil-doers we always happen to be exterminating aren't afforded any such protections.

 

[agent00f]

If you had been paying attention, you'd know that he can neither stop calling you a Nazi nor tell you where you're wrong. His only variation is boasting about how much smarter he is than everyone else. Just ignore him, plenty of smart leftists here to actually give you a reasonable opposing opinion.

It's rather clearly & well argued why many americans aren't much better than nazis or any number of historic criminals. But it's also obvious they're so righteously indignant of the implications that they readily admit the best course of action is willful ignorance. It's a natural defense mechanism against recognizing error in oneself, hence the resaon they're also the type to be perpetually wrong on just about everything.

As mentioned that's why nobody ever considers themselves evil, because it requires a consideration the evil are deathly fearful of taking. QED

 

[FerrelGeek]

Says the guy who has, as a signature, "bring back the crusades", where Christians went and literally murdered people in the name of Christianity.

Brilliant.

Ok sparky, there were a few things going on ~900-ish years ago that prompted the crusades. Please enlighten the forum with your boundless knowledge of that time period and explain what prompted said crusades; at least the first one.

/waits

 

[shortylickens]

why are people racist if they don't like muslims?

it's a religion.

the word Racism gets lots of emotional pull. Its a better word to pull up when you want action instead of discussion.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Interesting. Crazy ass Muslims blow themselves up to kill innocent people, so people blame Trump instead of blaming crazy ass Muslims. Seems logical.

 

[agent00f]

the word Racism gets lots of emotional pull. Its a better word to pull up when you want action instead of discussion.

If you need this one explained, it's the same people claiming the loophole that mexico is a country, or disparaging black culture isn't technically racism either.

It's not like they actually discern between mexicans and other hispanics, or the various sand-darkies, or know much about culture. And frankly the only thing these groups have in common is skin color.

To be fair to them, if you were a racist you wouldn't admit it either.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

The nazis certainly didn't believe themselves to be wrong, just as you don't with a remarkably similar mindset. I'd say both are misled, but both are also perfectly satisfied as they were.

I'm not wrong, though. Animals want to enter our country and kill us, and I don't want them to do that. The shitty countries they are "fleeing" are shitty because of them, not because of us, and them coming to our country just brings their shit here.

The remark on history books is apropos; just because the two nations happened to be on opposing sides of a war doesn't mean they were necessarily ideological enemies. It's not as if americans jumped into the war due to nazi beliefs & atrocities, the idea of an aryan nation would've appeal to many at the time and evidently still today.

Yeah, it's not like aryan people don't get killed everywhere else in the world. The thing is I can live with them, but they can't live with me as they've proven time and time again. So I say send them home.

If nazis are too hard to swallow, slave owners didn't believe they were wrong, their segregationist descendants didn't, nor modern nationalists perfectly motivated by exterminated the new baddies.

Oh yeah, evil Americans and slavery. I'm pretty sure it's been abolished in the US, but not elsewhere in the world. But of course, don't ever let Americans live that down. Ever. Keep beating that dead horse, it won't change the fact that I don't have "white guilt."

Fortunately for us, the evil-doers we always happen to be exterminating aren't afforded any such protections.

I agree, which is why the current political system must be changed. Clinton won't change it. Obama hasn't changed it. Bush didn't change it. Clinton didn't change it. HW Bush pretty much started what we have today. But if muslims continue attacking us then they should be met with force.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Thank you for proving his point.

If you need this one explained, it's the same people claiming the loophole that mexico is a country, or disparaging black culture isn't technically racism either.

It's not like they actually discern between mexicans and other hispanics, or the various sand-darkies, or know much about culture. And frankly the only thing these groups have in common is skin color.

To be fair to them, if you were a racist you wouldn't admit it either.

 

[compuwiz1]

why are people racist if they don't like muslims?

it's a religion.

Because, generally, anything said against anyone "non-white", is considered racist. That's the world we live in today. It's a component of the PC culture.

 

[agent00f]

I'm not wrong, though. Animals want to enter our country and kill us, and I don't want them to do that. The shitty countries they are "fleeing" are shitty because of them, not because of us, and them coming to our country just brings their shit here.

As mentioned above, an immigration ban is a fair point because humans can desire revenge and we've been killing an awful lot of them. Personally I wouldn't stand for it if my neighbors were killed, and I doubt you would either. But neither of us maniacs are muslim, which is really confusing.

Killing so many people it might as well be ethnic cleansing doesn't make you the good guy though, as we've hopefully learned with the germans. I'm pretty sure there were bad jews (like the bear-jew from that movie, or misc other agitprop) who wanted to hurt good germans, so I guess they had it coming.

Yeah, it's not like aryan people don't get killed everywhere else in the world. The thing is I can live with them, but they can't live with me as they've proven time and time again. So I say send them home.

Personally, muslims (and blacks and so on) are perfectly well mannered toward me, but I suppose YMMV.

Oh yeah, evil Americans and slavery. I'm pretty sure it's been abolished in the US, but not elsewhere in the world. But of course, don't ever let Americans live that down. Ever. Keep beating that dead horse, it won't change the fact that I don't have "white guilt."

I agree, which is why the current political system must be changed. Clinton won't change it. Obama hasn't changed it. Bush didn't change it. Clinton didn't change it. HW Bush pretty much started what we have today. But if msulims continue attacking us then they should be met with force.

I do wonder at what point people would be forced to recognize their own failings. Like if they literally had to stab the "enemies" to death, watched video showing the "enemy" leading fairly ordinary lives, saw historically evil figures doing the exact same thing, etc.

But wait, we have soldiers returning from war who've gone through this, get called heros and relatively few are ever remorseful. I guess we're screwed.

 

[agent00f]

Thank you for proving his point.

Once I tried explaining why that sig tag doesn't make sense, to no avail, so you trying to understand that post is an equal exercise in futility.

 

[Jaskalas]

Trump didn't question our policy wrt ISIS in the remarks you offer. He merely supported what he saw as the same stuff from the Russians.

You're not following.

I originally linked it and spoke clearly(1) of regime change in Syria, in relation to how it makes terrorism worse.
United States policy is to pull an Iraq in Syria.
Russian policy is to stop us from destroying Syria.

Do you agree with Russia or... as you say... the "Bushistas"?
They are dynamically opposed, with Clinton and Trump on opposite sides.

 

[purbeast0]

what the fuck is a mooselman?

 

[nickqt]

Ok sparky, there were a few things going on ~900-ish years ago that prompted the crusades. Please enlighten the forum with your boundless knowledge of that time period and explain what prompted said crusades; at least the first one.

/waits

I don't support the murder of anyone, regardless of religion, or lack thereof, champ.

I simply pointed out someone bitching and moaning about the perceived invasion of Mooselmans to take over Christian lands...who has, as a signature, a call for Christians to invade Mooselman lands by use of force to take over those lands in the name of Christianity.

Instead of waiting for someone to tell you what to think, perhaps use your own critical thinking ability to figure out why I pointed out that (hint) inconsistency in logic.

 

[BxgJ]

I somehow think this thread has been a bit counter productive, at least if the goal is to convince others to a more liberal view on the subject. And that makes me sad, as it could have been otherwise.