Turion X2 vs Memron ??

[Boney]

I am going to be purchasing a desktop replacement laptop within the next comming months and was wondering ... .amd is going to be releasing their X2 turions within the next month or so and it is suppose to beat the Core Duo yonahs .... Intel however is supposldy releaseing their Memron procs by the end of the year.

My first question is that is the new x2 turions going to be on the m2 platform? And does anyone know the max speed they are going to release these chips at?

My second is ... is the x2 turion going to be roughly equal to what the memron will bring to the table in performance? I will definitly be gaming and whatnot on this laptop and Im not sure if i should go ahead and buy the x2 turion when it comes out or is the Memron going to beat the pants off the turion and I should just wait the extra 3-4 months and get a memron?

maybe these questions are a little too pre-mature to ask but any speculation would help --- thanks

 

[coldpower27]

Nope, the Turion X2 will be on Socket S1 (638 pins), somewhere around 2.0GHZ/2.2GHZ are the max speed AMD's aiming for with the Dual Core Turions if present rumors are to be believed.

And man it's MEROM, no MerMon, or something that sounds like a Mermaid. It also depends howdesperate you need it, Merom is at least 20% faster then Yonah at the same clockspeed, so it should beat Taylor by at least 5-10% if we are going by conservative estimates...

But it is a bit pre mature I think to ask these questions right now...

 

[Furen]

Turion X2s should be launching relatively soon, too. I think we'll start seeing X2s in the first days of June while Merom will be coming out at least a quarter later (I think).

 

[DrMrLordX]

Turion X2s will likely be more competitive with Yonah than Merom. If I had to choose between Merom and Turion X2 parts at the same price, Merom would get my pick.

 

[BladeVenom]

If you can wait for Merom, wait. I'm planning on waiting till Intels new processors come out before getting a new computer, but I already have more computers than I need anyways so it doesn't hurt me to wait.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Boney
I am going to be purchasing a desktop replacement laptop within the next comming months and was wondering ... .amd is going to be releasing their X2 turions within the next month or so and it is suppose to beat the Core Duo yonahs .... Intel however is supposldy releaseing their Memron procs by the end of the year.

My first question is that is the new x2 turions going to be on the m2 platform? And does anyone know the max speed they are going to release these chips at?

My second is ... is the x2 turion going to be roughly equal to what the memron will bring to the table in performance? I will definitly be gaming and whatnot on this laptop and Im not sure if i should go ahead and buy the x2 turion when it comes out or is the Memron going to beat the pants off the turion and I should just wait the extra 3-4 months and get a memron?

maybe these questions are a little too pre-mature to ask but any speculation would help --- thanks

To reiterate...

1. We haven't seen either chip yet
2. Yonah is 32 bit and the TurionX2 and Merom will be 64 bit
3. TurionX2 will have a (supposedly) the same power requirements as Turion (SC), but with twice the cores. Merom should be close to that.
4. Turion X2 will be DDR2 on an S1 socket
5. TurionX2s are to be shipping to OEMs late this month, and launched in June. Meroms will be in Q4 (though this isn't known for sure).

 

[BrownTown]

Yonah and Turion X2 will be about the same at the same clockspeed. Merom will be ~15% better at the same clockspeed. Yonahs out now and will be just as good as Turion X2 is when it comes out, though if you wait you might get a better price since right now Intel has no competition. Merom will come out in Q4 and embaress them both unless we see a 65nm AMD chip which is possible. Currently Turions are only going up to 2.2G last I saw, Yonah will be at 2.33 by then, and so will Merom when it launches. So, basically the only reason to wait is to save money right now, because nothing with better performance will be out till Q4 (OK, well the 2.33G Yonah will come out at some point, but its just the speed bumb).

 

[kamunist]

Originally posted by: coldpower27
Nope, the Turion X2 will be on Socket S1 (638 pins), somewhere around 2.0GHZ/2.2GHZ are the max speed AMD's aiming for with the Dual Core Turions if present rumors are to be believed.

And man it's MEROM, no MerMon, or something that sounds like a Mermaid. It also depends howdesperate you need it, Merom is at least 20% faster then Yonah at the same clockspeed, so it should beat Taylor by at least 5-10% if we are going by conservative estimates...

But it is a bit pre mature I think to ask these questions right now...

You are correct in the clock speeds. They range from 1.6-1.8 Ghz in the 25w version with either 2x512 of 2x1024 MB cache. In the 35w, it will go from 2.0-2.2 with the same cache options. But how is this premature at all? The supposed ship date for the Turions is May 9th, which is less than a month away.

And why is everybody arguing over a petty thing like clock speed? Intel has shown us
all 1 thing: clock speed doesn't matter. Compare a Pentium M and a Pentium 4, even for
gaming, when the P4 was the big hit. A Pentium M, with only 2/3 the clock speed OR LESS, can keep up with the P4 without a problem, and you're going to tell me that a Merom 2.33 is going to be significantly better than a Turion X2 @ 2.2? Right.....

In addition, we're talking about the mobile version of a chip that stomped the Pentium D's AND the Extreme Editions in every test. Of course, everything that is being said both by me and others is pretty much speculation. Until we see the benchmarks by both CPU's, and then when that time rolls around, with the Merom as well, we won't know. From what I've been able to find, the Turion X2 will be able to run DDR2-800 instead of just the expected DDR2-667, and it will have better power-management, as it can vary voltage and clock speed for EACH core. So if you're only surfing the web, it can have 1 core pretty much completely off, and the other only running fast enough for you to do what you need. So until we all see the inevitable officially, that the Turion will completely dominate the Yonah, we can only speculate

 

[jiffylube1024]

Is the turion X2 going to be 65nm? Because if it's still on 90nm, then power consumption won't be so good...

 

[anandtechrocks]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Is the turion X2 going to be 65nm? Because if it's still on 90nm, then power consumption won't be so good...

I don't think we'll be seeing 65nm from AMD this year...

But just look at their current 90nm line... I ttheir 90nm power consumption is better than Intels 65nm Netburst chips.

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks
I don't think we'll be seeing 65nm from AMD this year...

But just look at their current 90nm line... I ttheir 90nm power consumption is better than Intels 65nm Netburst chips.

but merom isn't netburst

just to answer the question, get the merom because at the same power level, it'll completely smoke a turion, without exception.

 

[Accord99]

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Is the turion X2 going to be 65nm? Because if it's still on 90nm, then power consumption won't be so good...

I don't think we'll be seeing 65nm from AMD this year...

But just look at their current 90nm line... I ttheir 90nm power consumption is better than Intels 65nm Netburst chips.

Yonah uses less power than a same clocked single-core Turion MT.