Tucson schools create race-based system of discipline

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Double standards disgust me.

Not that this will hold up in court, so I'm not exactly bothered.

I'm confident that most minority justices would uphold it.

 

[babylon5]

Do half black/half Hispanic students get double the dose of discipline? Or they get to choose?

Do half black/half white students get half the dose of discipline?

 

[jackschmittusa]

All this dual discipline system does is send a message to minorities that they are not expected to know how or be able to conduct themselves in a public setting. So, feel free to act as wild as you want, as your actions are pre-excused.

This should certainly make the minority students happy to know that their social/cultural inferiority is recognized as universal.

And it will make the administrators happy that they have compensated for the obvious inferiority.

 

[n yusef]

Obviously, this program as described should not exist.

But, this is a poorly written op-ed (the author wrote "ultra-angry"). I searched the web for more articles, and I a bunch more op-eds written by wingnuts. If anyone could link to some actual journalism, I would appreciate it.

 

[GoPackGo]

Stuff like this is more racist than the klan.

 

[episodic]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
They know the root cause of the disproportionate disciplinary action. It's that study in that other thread that says minorities have a poor attitude towards education. Are we going to start reducing the minority prison population just because there is a disproportion there too?

One might in fact wonder at why the prison population is so skewed. Is it possible more minorities and minority neighborhoods are monitored by police resulting in more minority arrests? Disproportionate enforcement? Maybe someone should look into that.

Find me where it says they're going to do anything other than examine the causes? It's nice that you already know the reasons because you read it in another thread, but maybe the board didn't read that thread. Sounds like the author is jumping to conclusions a bit with this dual-system he sees as imminent.

Besides we already have a dual system in our criminal justice system. Black until proven innocent.

You got a chicken and egg there, man.

Blacks more heavily monitored by police - because statistically black men are more likely to commit crimes.

Black men more likely to commit crimes - because their area is more heavily monitored.

Blacks' fault? Police's fault? Both?

So you are saying that crime in neighborhoods would go down with a decreased police presence? Wonder what the law abiding citizens in any urban inner city area would think of that reasoning?

 

[dammitgibs]

I thought for sure that nobody would try and defend this policy. I can't believe I was wrong.

 

[1prophet]

Proverbs - Chapter 22:6

6. Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it



but if you train certain chidren as not being capable to meet the standards that is expected of them, then when they enter society as adults they would be bound by psychological chains that are very difficult to break and would hold them back for the rest of their lives from the true potential they are capable of.

Instead of creating a country of helping people who are less fortunate by bringing them up to standards so they can be equal, this country is creating fragmentation and divisions and resentments to one another that will be very hard to overcome and eventually cause its downfall.

 

[StageLeft]

And hence why my silver bullet is always the option to send my kids to private school. Public school education is a minefield in this country. It does work decently for most, but examples like this infuriate. Thankfully I don't live near Tucson

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
The Tucson district has a track record stupidity. They got in trouble with the state and had to shut down some of their ethnic studies curriculum and have had other controversial issues regarding race. IMO, there's a real sense of Mexico de Norte within the district.

Actually the real problem with TUSD getting "in trouble" with the state is that Maricopa County voters (Phoenix) keep electing parochials and bigots to the legislature who endlessly meddle in Tucson's affairs. Guess where the author of this asinine editorial lives?

Anyway, here is the Post-Unitary Status Plan:
http://www.tusd.k12.az.us/cont...pup/Documents/pusp.pdf

When you read the plan (which, of course, one would before posting intelligently about it) keep in mind that the purpose of the plan is to get a court desegregation order lifted. Since the order specifically deals with measurable racial inequality, so does the plan.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

This is a social/cultural problem, not a racial one. The minority kids are more likely to get into trouble because minorities tend to be from less affluent backgrounds. Thus, their parents are more commonly uneducated, they live in areas filled with crime and delinquency, and it becomes a perpetuating problem. It's like white trash trailer parks - bad environments breed bad children.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I love these examples of the equality morons. They will go so far overboard thinking they are leveling the playing field. They dont realize their actions just segregated the people they claim to help.

This is part of the whole "We are one people except I am part of a special group look at me but dont treat me different" mentality we have in this nation.

They are doing a huge diservice to the kids they are trying to help. No Consequences means no caring and nothing to keep them from becoming what they are trying to avoid. They will also see a mass migration of students of all races especially whites because race based studies are not going to pay off in the world of Business for to many people. These kids are not getting art or music but are getting filled with race studies??? I'm not a big Arts and Music guy but it does belong in school far ahead of some agenda push race studies.

 

[Double Trouble]

Stupid people have a hard time distinguishing equality of treatment from equality of outcome. The source of this is highly suspect, but if any school district would try this I'd hope they'd get sued into oblivion.

 

[BarrySotero]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Some behavior will be met with strict penalties; some will not. It all depends on the color of the student's skin.

If I was a minority I would be offended. So if I am black I don't know any better ?

The left always looked down on select minorities. They secretly feel quite superior to them and patronize them to get a god like lift for their own wobbly egos. They stoop to conquer (to serve is to rule) - it's a feminine characteristic that often distinguishes liberal "men" (and a reason they hate military and other masculine spirited things.)

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Some behavior will be met with strict penalties; some will not. It all depends on the color of the student's skin.

If I was a minority I would be offended. So if I am black I don't know any better ?

The left always looked down on select minorities. They secretly feel quite superior to them and patronize them to get a god like lift for their own wobbly egos. They stoop to conquer (to serve is to rule) - it's a feminine characteristic that often distinguishes liberal "men" (and a reason they hate military and other masculine spirited things.)

Don't limit yourself to minorities. They shot down a female President faster than you could say Hillary.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
:thumbsup:

i agree with this policy, obviously if there is a big racial discrepancy in the results the people enforcing the discipline policy must be racist. so what better way to address that racism than by telling them they can't be racist

My meter needs new batteries.

Originally posted by: piasabird
Why not just have separate schools for blacks and hispanics. That way they can have a sense of belonging to their own schools.

I think it is a mistake to separate kids from the realities of society. We have to live in this world, but we dont have to become part of it. If they cant get along at school they will not be able to adjust to society.

If blacks and hispanics cant get along with other people just send them to jail now and be done with it. Dont raise children by making excuses for bad behavior. If you do this you will be raising a batch of juvenile delinquent criminals.

What they may need is some boot camp style schools/prisons.

Seek help.