Tucson schools create race-based system of discipline

[jackschmittusa]

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The board is calling for a two-tiered form of student discipline. One for Black and Hispanic students; one for everyone else. With the goal of creating a "restorative school culture and climate" that conveys a "sense of belonging to all students," the board is insisting that its schools reduce its suspensions and/or expulsions of minority students to the point that the data reflect "no ethnic/racial disparities."

How mentally impaired would you have to be to think this is a good idea?

The people involved in implementing this should be tossed out.

 

[waggy]

wow that article has to be false. if not that school is in deep trouble.

race based system for punishment? what is this the 50's? thats so fucked up. though i would like to read the guidlines for each infraction for each race.

 

[ElFenix]

:thumbsup:

i agree with this policy, obviously if there is a big racial discrepancy in the results the people enforcing the discipline policy must be racist. so what better way to address that racism than by telling them they can't be racist

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Stupid people confuse equal treatment with equal results. It's awesome how those types seem to flock to education administration.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
:thumbsup:

i agree with this policy, obviously if there is a big racial discrepancy in the results the people enforcing the discipline policy must be racist. so what better way to address that racism than by telling them they can't be racist

*taps sarcasm meter*


Is this thing broken?

 

[jonks]

The link is broken, it doesn't redirect to the Onion.

But seriously, from what I read in quotes as opposed to the author's take on the situation, is that the school wants to investigate the 'root cause' of the disproportionate expulsion/suspension of minority students. I have no problem with that. If they start applying the rules differently however, and minority students don't get expelled/suspended because of their race, well, that'd be problematic now wouldn't it.

 

[rudder]

Sucks to be whitey.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

They know the root cause of the disproportionate disciplinary action. It's that study in that other thread that says minorities have a poor attitude towards education. Are we going to start reducing the minority prison population just because there is a disproportion there too?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
They know the root cause of the disproportionate disciplinary action. It's that study in that other thread that says minorities have a poor attitude towards education. Are we going to start reducing the minority prison population just because there is a disproportion there too?

One might in fact wonder at why the prison population is so skewed. Is it possible more minorities and minority neighborhoods are monitored by police resulting in more minority arrests? Disproportionate enforcement? Maybe someone should look into that.

Find me where it says they're going to do anything other than examine the causes? It's nice that you already know the reasons because you read it in another thread, but maybe the board didn't read that thread. Sounds like the author is jumping to conclusions a bit with this dual-system he sees as imminent.

Besides we already have a dual system in our criminal justice system. Black until proven innocent.

 

[cubeless]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
They know the root cause of the disproportionate disciplinary action. It's that study in that other thread that says minorities have a poor attitude towards education. Are we going to start reducing the minority prison population just because there is a disproportion there too?

yes...

 

[OCGuy]

They will get sued into oblivion.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
They know the root cause of the disproportionate disciplinary action. It's that study in that other thread that says minorities have a poor attitude towards education. Are we going to start reducing the minority prison population just because there is a disproportion there too?

One might in fact wonder at why the prison population is so skewed. Is it possible more minorities and minority neighborhoods are monitored by police resulting in more minority arrests? Disproportionate enforcement? Maybe someone should look into that.

Find me where it says they're going to do anything other than examine the causes? It's nice that you already know the reasons because you read it in another thread, but maybe the board didn't read that thread. Sounds like the author is jumping to conclusions a bit with this dual-system he sees as imminent.

Besides we already have a dual system in our criminal justice system. Black until proven innocent.

You got a chicken and egg there, man.

Blacks more heavily monitored by police - because statistically black men are more likely to commit crimes.

Black men more likely to commit crimes - because their area is more heavily monitored.

Blacks' fault? Police's fault? Both?

 

[Genx87]

I love these examples of the equality morons. They will go so far overboard thinking they are leveling the playing field. They dont realize their actions just segregated the people they claim to help.

This is part of the whole "We are one people except I am part of a special group look at me but dont treat me different" mentality we have in this nation.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
They know the root cause of the disproportionate disciplinary action. It's that study in that other thread that says minorities have a poor attitude towards education. Are we going to start reducing the minority prison population just because there is a disproportion there too?

One might in fact wonder at why the prison population is so skewed. Is it possible more minorities and minority neighborhoods are monitored by police resulting in more minority arrests? Disproportionate enforcement? Maybe someone should look into that.

Find me where it says they're going to do anything other than examine the causes? It's nice that you already know the reasons because you read it in another thread, but maybe the board didn't read that thread. Sounds like the author is jumping to conclusions a bit with this dual-system he sees as imminent.

Besides we already have a dual system in our criminal justice system. Black until proven innocent.

or maybe minorities commit more crimes? no it cant be that simple right?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: rudder
Sucks to be whitey.

Why?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Citrix

or maybe minorities commit more crimes? no it cant be that simple right?

Take your fancy logic out of this thread.

 

[piasabird]

Why not just have separate schools for blacks and hispanics. That way they can have a sense of belonging to their own schools.

I think it is a mistake to separate kids from the realities of society. We have to live in this world, but we dont have to become part of it. If they cant get along at school they will not be able to adjust to society.

If blacks and hispanics cant get along with other people just send them to jail now and be done with it. Dont raise children by making excuses for bad behavior. If you do this you will be raising a batch of juvenile delinquent criminals.

What they may need is some boot camp style schools/prisons.

 

[JeepinEd]

This sounds a lot like Affirmative Action.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: JeepinEd
This sounds a lot like segregation

Fixed

 

[cwjerome]

The Tucson district has a track record stupidity. They got in trouble with the state and had to shut down some of their ethnic studies curriculum and have had other controversial issues regarding race. IMO, there's a real sense of Mexico de Norte within the district.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
:thumbsup:

i agree with this policy, obviously if there is a big racial discrepancy in the results the people enforcing the discipline policy must be racist. so what better way to address that racism than by telling them they can't be racist

It may or may not be due to Racism, but it might appear that way to Minority Students. I think this Policy is worth a try, for awhile anyway. It's possible that it will have a positive affect on Minority Students. If not, then the Policy should be nixed.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: sandorski

It may or may not be due to Racism, but it might appear that way to Minority Students. I think this Policy is worth a try, for awhile anyway. It's possible that it will have a positive affect on Minority Students. If not, then the Policy should be nixed.

So you are OK with different standards being set based on race. Got ya! :thumbsup:

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: sandorski

It may or may not be due to Racism, but it might appear that way to Minority Students. I think this Policy is worth a try, for awhile anyway. It's possible that it will have a positive affect on Minority Students. If not, then the Policy should be nixed.

So you are OK with different standards being set based on race. Got ya! :thumbsup:

You bore me.

 

[Modelworks]

Some behavior will be met with strict penalties; some will not. It all depends on the color of the student's skin.

If I was a minority I would be offended. So if I am black I don't know any better ?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: sandorski

It may or may not be due to Racism, but it might appear that way to Minority Students. I think this Policy is worth a try, for awhile anyway. It's possible that it will have a positive affect on Minority Students. If not, then the Policy should be nixed.

So you are OK with different standards being set based on race. Got ya! :thumbsup:

You bore me.

Double standards disgust me.

Not that this will hold up in court, so I'm not exactly bothered.