Tualatin DOES NOT beat an Athlon.

[stormflare]

Did you notice what Tom said in his article. It is a 1.33 GHz Athlon running at 133MHz FSB and the PIII was running at a 166MHz FSB. This is a CLEAR disadvantage to the Athlon... and if it takes a FSB of 166MHz to beat a 133MHz FSB Athlon, then the winner is clear... IT'S THE ATHLON!!!!!!!!!!!

Tom has been rather deceiving lately... you can't take his reviews at face value because they are NOT fair comparisons. Give Athlon a 166MHz FSB and let's see who wins!

If you want to look at the FSB on Tom's Tualatin, go here http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q2/010612/tualatin-01.html


StormFlare

 

[splice]

Is the new P3 a DDR FSB?

 

[AndyHui]

Erm, the Athlon runs at an effective FSB of 266MHz.

 

[fkloster]

Could you please explain this 166fsb thingy with the Athlon? I thought they run on 200mhz and 266mhz fsb? P3 runnin' @ 166fsb?

 

[Budman]

fkloster,

Athlon now run at 100mhz (200DDR) and 133mhz (266DDR).

So if the could actually reach a fsb of 166 with a Athlon it would be 332DDR.

 

[ledzepp98]

i think all reviews or at least a lot of them) should contain 3 comparisons:

1)clock for clock stock - no overclocking and equal clock speeds (give or take 33mhz since it's not always equal)

2)best vs. best stock - take the fastest cpu from each company, without overclocking...like the 1.7ghz p4 vs. the 1.4ghz t-bird.

3)best it can do vs. best it can do - take the fastest cpu's available, overclock them to their limits (air cooling) and compare...like a 1.4ghz t-bird overclocked to 1.6 (or whatever it can do) vs. a p4 at 2.1ghz (or whatever it can do) or the new p3 at 1.466 or whatever Tom overclocked it to


basically, you don't get a fair comparison if you overclock one and not the other. the clock for clock comparison would be just for curiosity since we now know that mhz doesn't mean much anymore. the fastest available chips head to head would show what the fastest you can get right now without overclocking. and the best of the best with overclocking will show the enthusiasts which chip is potentially the fastest.

 

[Biggs]

Well... how about, the software is not optimized for the Tualatin yet..., the software is not optimized for the Tualatin yet..., the software is not optimized for the Tualatin yet..., the software is not optimized for the Tualatin yet..., the software is not optimized for the Tualatin yet..., the software is not optimized for the Tualatin yet..., the software is not optimized for the Tualatin yet..., the software is not optimized for the Tualatin yet....

 

[Peridium]

The Athlon has a double pumped FSB. So when you set the FSB at 133MHz you get an effective FSB of 266MHz. The Pentium III FSB is a one to one ratio, while the Pentium 4 has a quad pumped FSB (100MHz x 4 = 400MHz).

 

[Helznicht]

It seems every time a new Bench on CPUs comes out there is a new winner between the P3 and Athlon.

Here the old P3 knocks the Athlon around at the same speed:

Here

Im sure you can find several where the Athlon wins. Why cant we just agree the 2 chips are pretty damn close, just the athlon is cheaper?

 

[Peridium]

Yeah, I think that the Pentium III and Athlon processors are pretty equal clock for clock.

I guess people are bashing Intel because their Pentium 4 performs worse than a lower clocked Athlon. But now that the Pentium III is able to ramp up to speed, the performance is quite comparable to the Athlon...

 

[TravisBickle]

Helznicht, you are comparing a PIII 133 bus to an athlon 100 bus, on SYSMARK!! do you know what sysmark exists for? or where their offices are? does anyone here know?
though the PIII in games comes very close clock for clock, it's not the Athlon's fault.
give it something tough to do with the FPU like encoding/decoding and it is very much faster than a PIII. look around a bit more

 

[Peridium]

Well, we all know that the Athlon has a superior FPU than the Pentium III, but for almost everything else they are fairly close in performance.

 

[Helznicht]

HUH, and I thought the Asus K7V was 200fsb with support for PC133.

HMMM

Like I said, im sure there are other tests that will show other results. Just look for a different day.

"like encoding/decoding and it is very much faster"
So your saying as long as I dont do encoding/decoding, then the P3 is a faster cpu for me?

I get you point, but your not getting mine I guess.

 

[Pauli]

<< Why cant we just agree the 2 chips are pretty damn close, just the athlon is cheaper? >>



Ah, the voice of reason. I knew there were some people on this board that don't get all emotional about their processors!

 

[Peridium]

That's right Helznicht, the A7V supports 133MHz SDRAM and has a 200MHz FSB. That's due to the fact that the VIA KX133 chipset can run the memory asynchronously for higher performance.

 

[formulav8]

Why does it matter? .13 will only put alittle more life back in them. The P3 will probably run out of headroom at 1.5ghz or less anyways. Also the P3 was a great performing chip. It does beat the Athlon clock for clock on some things.


Jason

 

[sadb0i]

pauli is right...they equally powerful...athlon cheaper...what else is there to say?

 

[nortexoid]

(my processor is the dominatrix).

 

[TuffGuy]

man, i hate all these whiny b!tches. amd zealots used to compare the 1.4ghz tbird to the 1.0ghz p3 and state that the tbird beat the p3 by a whopping 40-50%. they kinda forgot to mention that the tbird had a 40% clock advantage.

it is generally agreed that the tbird has a pretty substantial bandwidth/fsb advantage over the p3. during some arguments, some people quote the tbird's awesome 266mhz fsb. during others, the say that it's only a 133mhz fsb. i hate all this flip-flopping to influence people's point of view.

that said, the p3 and the tbird are fairly equal on a clock per clock basis. the tbird takes a brute force approach to doing things, whereas the p3 is a little more refined.

 

[grant2]

I think the original point was that the intel processor gets a performance boost by raising the FSB to the non-spec 166, while the AMD processor doesn't also get the aid of being overclocked.

Obviously if you raise the FSB on the AMD to 166 it would get a boost too.

 

[Duvie]

I agree p3 and athlon are pretty comparable...just was that the p3 had hit its limit ramping up above 1 gig...the tualitin gives it a bit more life...I expect it to stay similar performance wise...

However if the p3 goes much higher then 1.3or 1.4 it is going to embarass the p4 and take away from the p4 marketing punch...Is Intel that stupid?

p3 1gig = (closely) to athlon 1gig

athlon 1.33gig = (closely) 1.7 p4

pretty much means without the sse2 optimization (which ain't coming yet) a 1.4 p3 tualitin will be close to 1.7 p4 in performance...ofcourse if it can utilize the ddr platform...that will still remain to be seen...who will want the empty promises and high price of p4...unless intel brings these tualitins out at prices near p4 to try to steer others to adopt p4 platform

Palomino (athlon 4) will have a edge over p3 at same clock speed...that should be obvious to anyone who has seen benchmarks to date...

 

[TuffGuy]

<< I think the original point was that the intel processor gets a performance boost by raising the FSB to the non-spec 166, while the AMD processor doesn't also get the aid of being overclocked.

Obviously if you raise the FSB on the AMD to 166 it would get a boost too. >>


no sh!t. you fail to ignore WHY the p3 was overclocked. c'mon, you can do it...

alright, i'll tell you. it was oveclocked to bring the two processors to a similar clock speed so the comparisons would be &quot;fair&quot;.

although i'm sure that most of you fanboys would've liked a comparison between the 1.4ghz/266mhz tbird and the 1.13ghz p3. and then none you guys would've said anything besides 'the tbird whoops the p3 by 30%'.

 

[LXi]

Why do I still hear that P3 and Tbird are the same clock for clock?

Has anyone actually compared the two on equal system and RAM clocks? Like P3&quot;EB&quot;-1GHz w/i815E PC133 vs Tbird&quot;C&quot;-1GHz w/KT133A PC133? You're being ambiguous unless you can dig up a bench(not SYSMARK) with those conditions.

 

[TuffGuy]

<< Why do I still hear that P3 and Tbird are the same clock for clock?

Has anyone actually compared the two on equal system and RAM clocks? Like P3&quot;EB&quot;-1GHz w/i815E PC133 vs Tbird&quot;C&quot;-1GHz w/KT133A PC133? You're being ambiguous unless you can dig up a bench(not SYSMARK) with those conditions. >>


do a search on the main site. those reviews have been done. they end up splitting the benchmarks, with NO clear winner.

 

[Macro2]

Between the P3 and the Athlon, the Athlon is the all around more powerful chip, clock for clock.
The idea the P3 is the equal of the Athlon is pure FUDge.
The idea that the P4 is the equal of the Athlon is even more benchmark BS...

Mac has spoken.