TSMC and ARM Tape-Out First ARM Cortex-A57 Processor on 16 nm FinFET Technology

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Exophase

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And A5 has only 1/4 of the CPU performance for 30% more GPU performance. And nVidia is not in competition with Apple. Even if Tegra 3 would 2x faster certain people would not buy an Android product.

I don't agree that nVidia is not in competition with Apple, I absolutely think that they want to win people over from Apple products with hardware. But it's hard when you don't have the volumes to do separate phone and tablet focused chips..

I didn't want to get into an overall Tegra vs Apple war here; I was merely speaking about GPU quality on this one. Although I do find "1/4th the CPU performance" a little dishonest.

In GL 2.7 Nexus 7 and Mini on par with each other.

What, both crushingly slow? That's way past the threshold of relevance if it's far too slow to play anything at.. Look at benchmarks that are more representative of the type of games that both could realistically handle.

It will easily. If people not interested in a Samsung or Apple device they will look out for Tegra 4 if they playing games.

Using what.. Shield?

I don't think a lot of people buy something like a tablet or phone with gaming as an overwhelming factor that shadows everything else.

Rouge comes next year at the same time like Logan. And winning market share? Samsung E5 will only be in a few products and has less performance than Tegra 4. Qualcomm dominates the Android smartphone and nVidia the Android tablet market. There is no room for IMG anymore.

Rogue coming when Logan is? Who told you that? It'll definitely start showing up in devices this year. Probably within in a few months at the latest.

So putting aside that IMG is still with Apple and Samsung moved back to it - and we'll have to see if they don't greatly increase how many S4s and others (Note 3?) contain it once volume increases - there's another big market you're annoying. IMG is in Mediatek SoCs, and now is in Allwinner and Ingenic. So they're going to soak up a large part of the lower cost east Asian market.

nVidia may have struck big with Nexus 7 on Android tablets but their success doesn't extend much beyond that. And they're not getting the next one. In fact we haven't heard much in the way of Tegra 4 design wins at all, so I find the idea that they'll dominate tablets with Tegra 4 questionable.
 

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Does anyone know if those 22nm Atoms are going to finally get the integrated modems they'll need to be competitive in power usage? That seems like the one thing that would really hold them back.

Also it seems like nVidia is voluntarily falling behind in the phone GPU area because they don't want to waste resources developing an architecture that is going to be replaced with a Kepler based GPU in the Tegra 5 which they expect to be a class leader.
 

krumme

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Does anyone know if those 22nm Atoms are going to finally get the integrated modems they'll need to be competitive in power usage? That seems like the one thing that would really hold them back.

No modem this time
"With WUXGA display support of 1920x12003, the platform will also enable larger-screen Android* tablet designs. It also includes support for Android* 4.2 (Jelly Bean), Intel Wireless Display Technology, HSPA+ at 42Mbps with the Intel® XMM 6360 slim modem solution, and the new industry-standard UltraViolet™ Common File Format."
http://newsroom.intel.com/community...02/24/intel-accelerates-mobile-computing-push

Probably the next iterations at 14nm will get there. And i guess we will se bay trail for tablets at first, and then wait to get it for phones.

"Intel is currently shipping its single mode 4G LTE data solution and will begin multimode shipments later in the first half of this year. The company is also optimizing its LTE solutions concurrently with its SoC roadmap to ensure the delivery of leading-edge low-power combined solutions to the marketplace."
 

aaksheytalwar

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You really think that marginally faster (30% in the mobile world) hardware can convert apple users to android.
 

StrangerGuy

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You really think that marginally faster (30% in the mobile world) hardware can convert apple users to android.

The roaring success of iPad Mini proves if the customers doesn't care about retina displays, they aren't going to even remotely care about the SoC inside.
 

krumme

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The roaring success of iPad Mini proves if the customers doesn't care about retina displays, they aren't going to even remotely care about the SoC inside.

Wrong asumption. Apple customers care about what Apple tells them to care about. Thats the purpose of the relationship, to be dominated and follow the great sun.

If Apple told them they had crystal computer, they would be the fastest subjectively regardless of meassuring. And if they had the numbers to back it up that would just strengthen their position.
 

Roland00Address

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You really think that marginally faster (30% in the mobile world) hardware can convert apple users to android.
Maybe a couple but in general, sheep will be sheep.
I have to agree with aaksheytalwar, android has 30% faster hardware numerous times and it made no difference. (For simplicity sake I am using samsung as the iphone competitor even though htc was arguably the better competitor in 2010)

iphone 4 (june 2010) 800 mhz a8 single core
samsung galaxy s (june 2010) 1000 mhz a8 single core

samsung galaxy s ii (may 2011) 1200 mhz a9 dual core (international version)
iphone 4s (oct 2011) 800 mhz a9 dual core

samsung galaxy s iii (may 2012) 1400 mhz a9 quad core (international version), 1500 mhz krait dual core (us)

iphone 5 (sept 2012) 1300 mhz swift dual core
samsung galaxy s iv (mayish 2013), 1900 mhz quad core krait 600 (us version), either 1200?/1600? mhz cortex a15 quad core (I have heard both 1200 and 1600 for cortex a15 part so until it is relased and confirmed I am using ? next to the specs)

Lets put it this way. The iphone 5 brought a bigger screen, lte, a 62% clock speed boost, more ipc with the custom swift core...and people still said apple is on auto pilot and doesn't have vision.
 

krumme

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There you have it. An beefed up arm7 called swift, is the magic crystal cpu.

And april turned to may.
 

Homeles

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Maybe a couple but in general, sheep will be sheep.
I honestly see far more pro-Android "sheep" these days. These hardware communities are the biggest cesspools of groupthink in human existence.
 

krumme

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Some places are getting galaxy s4 on the the last week of april, some people are getting it the first or second week of may. I think mayish is the most accurate description in such a situation.

And some get theirs in a year. There is millions on their way. I get mine on the 16 of april. April is april.
 

Exophase

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You really think that marginally faster (30% in the mobile world) hardware can convert apple users to android.

30% faster CPU, you mean? One only needs to look at the iPhone 4S with 2x 800MHz Cortex-A9 competing against the same style A9s in Galaxy S2 allowed to clock up to 1.2GHz. Similar story with clock speeds in iPads. That doesn't say anything about perf/W, though.
 

Roland00Address

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And some get theirs in a year. There is millions on their way. I get mine on the 16 of april. April is april.

What retailer/version is shipping on the 16th? I know there is a preorder on at&t on the 16th but your phone gets shipped later.
 

krumme

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What retailer/version is shipping on the 16th? I know there is a preorder on at&t on the 16th but your phone gets shipped later.

You asume 2 things.

That i am from the us. (I know its a common assumption in general)

That i use a carrier.

Neither is right.

The carriers is often later than unlocked. And the us is poor for the general population. There is many incentives to get to other markets earlier. And us is not that important to ss compard to apple. Its the qualcomm version i get.
 
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