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Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
Originally posted by: halik
you fly around with a car battery? WTF man... and you wonder why they searched you?

Let's see, you had a large 12v battery, cables going left and right, some kind of power adapter contraption and a laptop as an excuse to need all of the above. Geee i fvcking wonder why those guys got suspicious :roll:

Dammit, that's the whole point! It's NOT a car battery! The only danger the thing poses is if you hit somebody over the head with it.

Why shouldn't I be allowed to fly with an approved 12v battery, a few wires connecting things(not going left and right), and a laptop? What if the battery were a commercially available Li-Ion backup battery? Would you be mad then? The power system wasn't dangerous. Suspicious? Of course. But suspicion is temporary, you, and the TSA don't get that. Suspicion = reason to investigate. The outcome of the investigation is what should determine if it goes on the plane, not suspicion.
The thing you don't get is that these people TSA are wannabe cops with a POWER complex. And Their word actually can get you booted off the plane ON SUSPICION which is defined as The act of suspecting something, especially something wrong, on little evidence or without proof.
And YOU? Well, all week they've been talking about allowing scissors and nail clippers on carry on bags so that TSA can screen for EXPLOSIVES. Thesae people are just doing a thankless job, and people like you that want to push the envelope are going to find out where the edges really are. Certain airports will have different managers and these are the guys you don't see. Well, you did, and they will err on the side of caution EVERY TIME. Better to piss you off than let some ersatz Richard Reeves on with another shoe bomb.
Too bad, so sad. Buy another REAL lap top battery and suck it up.

 
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
Originally posted by: chambersc
why the fsck did you rollover? raise hell, should have cited the regulations (with appropriate numbers) and statutes. damn...

Didn't have them on hand, and they refused to show them to me.
There's YOUR first mistake.
Your second one is not getting an airline power adaptor. BTW, you can recharge your lappy bat in the bathroom, the shaver plugs still work, unless the Flight Engineer has pulled the circuit breaker.

It is an airplane power adapter, this plane didn't have plugs. Didn't know about the bathroom plugs, but my laptop battery doesn't hold a long enough charge to make it worthwhile. I flew on an MD80 this last trip, and it had power, so I didn't have need for it though. However, when that need arises, I will take it, and the documents I need, with me.

As far as documents go- I'd flown with the same contraption twice before, with no documentation whatsoever besides the 'Nonspillable' printed on the battery.
 
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
Originally posted by: halik
you fly around with a car battery? WTF man... and you wonder why they searched you?

Let's see, you had a large 12v battery, cables going left and right, some kind of power adapter contraption and a laptop as an excuse to need all of the above. Geee i fvcking wonder why those guys got suspicious :roll:

Dammit, that's the whole point! It's NOT a car battery! The only danger the thing poses is if you hit somebody over the head with it.

Why shouldn't I be allowed to fly with an approved 12v battery, a few wires connecting things(not going left and right), and a laptop? What if the battery were a commercially available Li-Ion backup battery? Would you be mad then? The power system wasn't dangerous. Suspicious? Of course. But suspicion is temporary, you, and the TSA don't get that. Suspicion = reason to investigate. The outcome of the investigation is what should determine if it goes on the plane, not suspicion.
The thing you don't get is that these people TSA are wannabe cops with a POWER complex. And Their word actually can get you booted off the plane ON SUSPICION which is defined as The act of suspecting something, especially something wrong, on little evidence or without proof.
And YOU? Well, all week they've been talking about allowing scissors and nail clippers on carry on bags so that TSA can screen for EXPLOSIVES. Thesae people are just doing a thankless job, and people like you that want to push the envelope are going to find out where the edges really are. Certain airports will have different managers and these are the guys you don't see. Well, you did, and they will err on the side of caution EVERY TIME. Better to piss you off than let some ersatz Richard Reeves on with another shoe bomb.
Too bad, so sad. Buy another REAL lap top battery and suck it up.

And everything you just said is acceptable? It is acceptable to deny a citizen his right to carry a non-hazardous, legal material on a plane in a legal manner just because it's easier that way?

As far as Richard Reeves goes, they didn't even catch him at screening. WAY TO GO, TSA. Maybe if they spent less time harassing people like me who are acting completely withing the law, they could pay attention to something like doing a routine explosives swab/puff check on the guy behind me.
 
Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
[Dammit, that's the whole point! It's NOT a car battery! The only danger the thing poses is if you hit somebody over the head with it.

Why shouldn't I be allowed to fly with an approved 12v battery, a few wires connecting things(not going left and right), and a laptop? What if the battery were a commercially available Li-Ion backup battery? Would you be mad then? The power system wasn't dangerous. Suspicious? Of course. But suspicion is temporary, you, and the TSA don't get that. Suspicion = reason to investigate. The outcome of the investigation is what should determine if it goes on the plane, not suspicion.
The thing you don't get is that these people TSA are wannabe cops with a POWER complex. And Their word actually can get you booted off the plane ON SUSPICION which is defined as The act of suspecting something, especially something wrong, on little evidence or without proof.
And YOU? Well, all week they've been talking about allowing scissors and nail clippers on carry on bags so that TSA can screen for EXPLOSIVES. Thesae people are just doing a thankless job, and people like you that want to push the envelope are going to find out where the edges really are. Certain airports will have different managers and these are the guys you don't see. Well, you did, and they will err on the side of caution EVERY TIME. Better to piss you off than let some ersatz Richard Reeves on with another shoe bomb.
Too bad, so sad. Buy another REAL lap top battery and suck it up.

[/quote]

And everything you just said is acceptable? It is acceptable to deny a citizen his right to carry a non-hazardous, legal material on a plane in a legal manner just because it's easier that way?

As far as Richard Reeves goes, they didn't even catch him at screening. WAY TO GO, TSA. Maybe if they spent less time harassing people like me who are acting completely withing the law, they could pay attention to something like doing a routine explosives swab/puff check on the guy behind me.[/quote]

You don't HAVE ANY RIGHTS on a plane anymore. It is a PRIVILEGE to fly. If you CAREFULLY read the back of the ticket , it will explain that you agree to release certain rights. TSA, Bush,INC. & P.A.T.R.I.O.T. have seen to that. I would rather they screen the COMMERCIAL CARGO, but it's not about doing something constructive, it'a about apperances and mass perception.
I've had problems with TSA in my roadie past also. One airport TSA let a guitar in the cabin, another didn't. One didn't ask for shoes off, another did, INSPITE of publicized notice of shoes not having to come off. Didn't matter "Local alert" was what they said. It's their game, their field and you're the water boy. And unless you're carrying the rules with you and ready to whip them out, you're not prepared to defend your PRIVILEGE to those carry on items.
Quit your sniveling, I'll bet you didn't get anyone's name or ID's either. Dude, suck it up, rub dirt in it, and run it off.
Your admission it's suspicious shows you know they had cause. You're just bummed because you thought you were smarter than them. If you had all your documentation,and spoke to them reasonably, you may have prevailed. I'll bet you got your knickers in a knot, were smary , and lippy.
BTW Suspicion doesn't equal reason to investigate, especially when there are other people's lives involved. They will always err on the side of caution. You're lucky they didn't run you through the full measures at their disposal. Like a little room in the bowels of the security office , a full background check, and a cavity search.
 
Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
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It is an airplane power adapter, this plane didn't have plugs. Didn't know about the bathroom plugs, but my laptop battery doesn't hold a long enough charge to make it worthwhile. I flew on an MD80 this last trip, and it had power, so I didn't have need for it though. However, when that need arises, I will take it, and the documents I need, with me.

As far as documents go- I'd flown with the same contraption twice before, with no documentation whatsoever besides the 'Nonspillable' printed on the battery.
No. it's a HOMEMADE POWER ADAPTER. I meant a commercially available one. Your penchant for semantic battles is obvious when you try to make suspicion mean something it doesn't.

 
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
Originally posted by: halik
you fly around with a car battery? WTF man... and you wonder why they searched you?

Let's see, you had a large 12v battery, cables going left and right, some kind of power adapter contraption and a laptop as an excuse to need all of the above. Geee i fvcking wonder why those guys got suspicious :roll:

Dammit, that's the whole point! It's NOT a car battery! The only danger the thing poses is if you hit somebody over the head with it.

Why shouldn't I be allowed to fly with an approved 12v battery, a few wires connecting things(not going left and right), and a laptop? What if the battery were a commercially available Li-Ion backup battery? Would you be mad then? The power system wasn't dangerous. Suspicious? Of course. But suspicion is temporary, you, and the TSA don't get that. Suspicion = reason to investigate. The outcome of the investigation is what should determine if it goes on the plane, not suspicion.
The thing you don't get is that these people TSA are wannabe cops with a POWER complex. And Their word actually can get you booted off the plane ON SUSPICION which is defined as The act of suspecting something, especially something wrong, on little evidence or without proof.
And YOU? Well, all week they've been talking about allowing scissors and nail clippers on carry on bags so that TSA can screen for EXPLOSIVES. Thesae people are just doing a thankless job, and people like you that want to push the envelope are going to find out where the edges really are. Certain airports will have different managers and these are the guys you don't see. Well, you did, and they will err on the side of caution EVERY TIME. Better to piss you off than let some ersatz Richard Reeves on with another shoe bomb.
Too bad, so sad. Buy another REAL lap top battery and suck it up.

And everything you just said is acceptable? It is acceptable to deny a citizen his right to carry a non-hazardous, legal material on a plane in a legal manner just because it's easier that way?

As far as Richard Reeves goes, they didn't even catch him at screening. WAY TO GO, TSA. Maybe if they spent less time harassing people like me who are acting completely withing the law, they could pay attention to something like doing a routine explosives swab/puff check on the guy behind me.

You don't HAVE ANY RIGHTS on a plane anymore. It is a PRIVILEGE to fly. If you CAREFULLY read the back of the ticket , it will explain that you agree to release certain rights. TSA, Bush,INC. & P.A.T.R.I.O.T. have seen to that. I would rather they screen the COMMERCIAL CARGO, but it's not about doing something constructive, it'a about apperances and mass perception.
I've had problems with TSA in my roadie past also. One airport TSA let a guitar in the cabin, another didn't. One didn't ask for shoes off, another did, INSPITE of publicized notice of shoes not having to come off. Didn't matter "Local alert" was what they said. It's their game, their field and you're the water boy. And unless you're carrying the rules with you and ready to whip them out, you're not prepared to defend your PRIVILEGE to those carry on items.
Quit your sniveling, I'll bet you didn't get anyone's name or ID's either. Dude, suck it up, rub dirt in it, and run it off.

I think the thign is don't push the envelope which we have said dozens of times. Sure you may be doing everything that is LEGAL and within the limits of the LAW, but who cares? You're being an @$$hole about it and why can't you just get a normal battery damnit?

Deal with it and now complain to the TSA and get it resolved somehow. If you can't, realize you need to stop doing such things. If you're going to do such things, at least carry the rules with you because obviously that was a big mistake. I'm sorry you had to go through this, but if you're complaining, then you need to realize you need to make some changes and it's not just t heir fault.

Edit: You say it's not a car battery, but whatever... it looks like one. Why not make a cookie that looks like a gun and carry it on and then when people jump you, say it's a cookie damnit. Who's fault is it then?
 
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
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It is an airplane power adapter, this plane didn't have plugs. Didn't know about the bathroom plugs, but my laptop battery doesn't hold a long enough charge to make it worthwhile. I flew on an MD80 this last trip, and it had power, so I didn't have need for it though. However, when that need arises, I will take it, and the documents I need, with me.

As far as documents go- I'd flown with the same contraption twice before, with no documentation whatsoever besides the 'Nonspillable' printed on the battery.
No. it's a HOMEMADE POWER ADAPTER. I meant a commercially available one. Your penchant for semantic battles is obvious when you try to make suspicion mean something it doesn't.

No, it's not homemade. I took it with me on this last trip and plugged it right into the port with no homemade anything just like any other yuppie. The only thing I did myself is ONE connection from the SLA to the commercially produced power adapter.
 
Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
The TSA doesn't go by the rules.

For example, earlier this year I flew back from CA to MA with a stop in Phoenix. I had a sealed lead acid battery connected to an auto adapter to power my laptop. Sealed Lead Acid batteries (SLAs) are allowed on onboard aircraft with no restrictions as stated in 49 CFR 173.159, subsection D. Actually there are a few restrictions: Must be protected from short circuit(mine was) securely packaged(mine was), and able to withstand a vibration and pressure test, as explained in 49 CFR 173.159 subsection D. If a battery passes those tests, it can be labeled as Nonspillable SLA. Mine was.

I took it through the LAX TSA security check got flagged for inspection, the battery issue was specifically addressed, and passed/allowed to be on board in the cabin. However, when we stopped in Phoenix, somebody spotted the zip cable which I used to make the connection from the battery. Normal zip cable is polarity marked with one conductor red, the other black. Somebody spotted the red wire, and as we all know, red wire = bomb. So they called in the TSA, upwards of 10 inspection personell, 6 adminitrators, four police officers, and two bomb-sniffing dogs, all of which determined that it was, in fact, not a bomb, therefore shattering the 'fact' that red wire = bomb. However, they couldn't have held up all those passengers on the full plane for more than an hour without something to show for it- so they told me that it was a wet battery(which it's not, as I explained above, it is exempt from that status and special requirements), confiscated it, and put it in the cargo bay with an ungodly amount of packaging.

I was told that the punishment for this 'crime' is up to $250k in fines and 5 years in FPMITAP, but since they were feeling generous, they'd let it go this time. Now, because of the Phoenix TSA's incompetence and pride, I will be flagged for inspection for boarding flights for the rest of my life.

Thanks TSA, for the safety you've provided. Not a week goes by the I don't hear a news story about you harassing people- I mean, apprehending terrorists.

When was the last time that the TSA actually caught someone trying to pull off some terrorist act?

BTW: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin...RT=173&SECTION=159&YEAR=1999&TYPE=TEXT
That's the relevant regulation.
(d) A nonspillable wet electric storage battery is excepted from all
other requirements of this subchapter under the following conditions:
(1) The battery must be protected against short circuits and
securely packaged;
(2) For batteries manufactured after September 30, 1995, the battery
and the outer packaging must be plainly and durably marked
``NONSPILLABLE'' or ``NONSPILLABLE BATTERY''; and
(3) The battery must be capable of withstanding the following two
tests, without leakage of battery fluid from the battery:
(i) Vibration test. The battery must be rigidly clamped to the
platform of a vibration machine, and a simple harmonic motion having an
amplitude of 0.8 mm (0.03 inches), with a 1.6 mm (0.063 inches) maximum
total excursion must be applied. The frequency must be varied at the
rate of 1 Hz/min between the limits of 10 Hz to 55 Hz. The entire range
of frequencies and return must be traversed in 95 plus-minus 5 minutes
for each mounting position (direction of vibrator) of the battery. The
battery must be tested in three mutually perpendicular positions (to
include testing with fill openings and vents, if any, in an inverted
position) for equal time periods.
(ii) Pressure differential test. Following the vibration test, the
battery must be stored for six hours at 24 deg.C plus-minus 4 deg.C
(75 deg.F plus-minus 7 deg.F) while subjected to a pressure
differential of at least 88 kPa (13 psi). The battery must be tested in
three mutually perpendicular positions (to include testing with fill
openings and vents, if any, in an inverted position) for at least six
hours in each position.

Contact TSA and complain. If you let the locals get away with this, they will do it freely to someone else.

 
Originally posted by: halik
you fly around with a car battery? WTF man... and you wonder why they searched you?

Let's see, you had a large 12v battery, cables going left and right, some kind of power adapter contraption and a laptop as an excuse to need all of the above. Geee i fvcking wonder why those guys got suspicious :roll:

Paranoid superstition - conquered by overcoming ignorance with research and learning.

 
Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
Originally posted by: halik
you fly around with a car battery? WTF man... and you wonder why they searched you?

Let's see, you had a large 12v battery, cables going left and right, some kind of power adapter contraption and a laptop as an excuse to need all of the above. Geee i fvcking wonder why those guys got suspicious :roll:

Dammit, that's the whole point! It's NOT a car battery! The only danger the thing poses is if you hit somebody over the head with it.

Why shouldn't I be allowed to fly with an approved 12v battery, a few wires connecting things(not going left and right), and a laptop? What if the battery were a commercially available Li-Ion backup battery? Would you be mad then? The power system wasn't dangerous. Suspicious? Of course. But suspicion is temporary, you, and the TSA don't get that. Suspicion = reason to investigate. The outcome of the investigation is what should determine if it goes on the plane, not suspicion.
The thing you don't get is that these people TSA are wannabe cops with a POWER complex. And Their word actually can get you booted off the plane ON SUSPICION which is defined as The act of suspecting something, especially something wrong, on little evidence or without proof.
And YOU? Well, all week they've been talking about allowing scissors and nail clippers on carry on bags so that TSA can screen for EXPLOSIVES. Thesae people are just doing a thankless job, and people like you that want to push the envelope are going to find out where the edges really are. Certain airports will have different managers and these are the guys you don't see. Well, you did, and they will err on the side of caution EVERY TIME. Better to piss you off than let some ersatz Richard Reeves on with another shoe bomb.
Too bad, so sad. Buy another REAL lap top battery and suck it up.

And everything you just said is acceptable? It is acceptable to deny a citizen his right to carry a non-hazardous, legal material on a plane in a legal manner just because it's easier that way?

As far as Richard Reeves goes, they didn't even catch him at screening. WAY TO GO, TSA. Maybe if they spent less time harassing people like me who are acting completely withing the law, they could pay attention to something like doing a routine explosives swab/puff check on the guy behind me.

The ones here that are telling you that you did something stupid are probably the same ones who were in alarm condition about the encrouchment on their rights by the Patriot Act.

 
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
Originally posted by: halik
you fly around with a car battery? WTF man... and you wonder why they searched you?

Let's see, you had a large 12v battery, cables going left and right, some kind of power adapter contraption and a laptop as an excuse to need all of the above. Geee i fvcking wonder why those guys got suspicious :roll:

Dammit, that's the whole point! It's NOT a car battery! The only danger the thing poses is if you hit somebody over the head with it.

Why shouldn't I be allowed to fly with an approved 12v battery, a few wires connecting things(not going left and right), and a laptop? What if the battery were a commercially available Li-Ion backup battery? Would you be mad then? The power system wasn't dangerous. Suspicious? Of course. But suspicion is temporary, you, and the TSA don't get that. Suspicion = reason to investigate. The outcome of the investigation is what should determine if it goes on the plane, not suspicion.
The thing you don't get is that these people TSA are wannabe cops with a POWER complex. And Their word actually can get you booted off the plane ON SUSPICION which is defined as The act of suspecting something, especially something wrong, on little evidence or without proof.
And YOU? Well, all week they've been talking about allowing scissors and nail clippers on carry on bags so that TSA can screen for EXPLOSIVES. Thesae people are just doing a thankless job, and people like you that want to push the envelope are going to find out where the edges really are. Certain airports will have different managers and these are the guys you don't see. Well, you did, and they will err on the side of caution EVERY TIME. Better to piss you off than let some ersatz Richard Reeves on with another shoe bomb.
Too bad, so sad. Buy another REAL lap top battery and suck it up.

And everything you just said is acceptable? It is acceptable to deny a citizen his right to carry a non-hazardous, legal material on a plane in a legal manner just because it's easier that way?

As far as Richard Reeves goes, they didn't even catch him at screening. WAY TO GO, TSA. Maybe if they spent less time harassing people like me who are acting completely withing the law, they could pay attention to something like doing a routine explosives swab/puff check on the guy behind me.

You don't HAVE ANY RIGHTS on a plane anymore. It is a PRIVILEGE to fly. If you CAREFULLY read the back of the ticket , it will explain that you agree to release certain rights. TSA, Bush,INC. & P.A.T.R.I.O.T. have seen to that. I would rather they screen the COMMERCIAL CARGO, but it's not about doing something constructive, it'a about apperances and mass perception.
I've had problems with TSA in my roadie past also. One airport TSA let a guitar in the cabin, another didn't. One didn't ask for shoes off, another did, INSPITE of publicized notice of shoes not having to come off. Didn't matter "Local alert" was what they said. It's their game, their field and you're the water boy. And unless you're carrying the rules with you and ready to whip them out, you're not prepared to defend your PRIVILEGE to those carry on items.
Quit your sniveling, I'll bet you didn't get anyone's name or ID's either. Dude, suck it up, rub dirt in it, and run it off.

I think the thign is don't push the envelope which we have said dozens of times. Sure you may be doing everything that is LEGAL and within the limits of the LAW, but who cares? You're being an @$$hole about it and why can't you just get a normal battery damnit?

Deal with it and now complain to the TSA and get it resolved somehow. If you can't, realize you need to stop doing such things. If you're going to do such things, at least carry the rules with you because obviously that was a big mistake. I'm sorry you had to go through this, but if you're complaining, then you need to realize you need to make some changes and it's not just t heir fault.

Edit: You say it's not a car battery, but whatever... it looks like one. Why not make a cookie that looks like a gun and carry it on and then when people jump you, say it's a cookie damnit. Who's fault is it then?

What the hell is wrong with you? I'm not disputing the TSAs right to inspect, I'm questioning their right to rewrite the LAW. They charged me with a crime when I didn't break the law. Out of the airport, wouldn't you be a little bit upset if a cop charged you with a crime for doing something suspicious, but legal? Of course you would. That's the same thing here with the TSA. How am I being an asshole about it, anyway? When I went through security, I got screened as expected, they didn't have the least problem with it. Nothing, completely fine. They even gave me an extra note to show that it was inspected and legal. I mentioned that note to the admins in Phoenix- they didn't even care. So what is it that give me my asshole traits? Is is the fact that I did everything I could once the problem arose to be curteous and respectful? No, I don't think so. Is it the fact that I brought something on a plane that I'd flown with twice before with no problem whatsoever? I don't think that's it. Is it the fact I'm delaying other people who are waiting for me to go through the security checkpoint? No, security pulls over random people anyway until they fill their quota. I don't get it, and I don't appreciate you calling me an asshole.

I am going to get this straightened out. As you can tell, I'm not very happy.
 
Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
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It is an airplane power adapter, this plane didn't have plugs. Didn't know about the bathroom plugs, but my laptop battery doesn't hold a long enough charge to make it worthwhile. I flew on an MD80 this last trip, and it had power, so I didn't have need for it though. However, when that need arises, I will take it, and the documents I need, with me.

As far as documents go- I'd flown with the same contraption twice before, with no documentation whatsoever besides the 'Nonspillable' printed on the battery.
No. it's a HOMEMADE POWER ADAPTER. I meant a commercially available one. Your penchant for semantic battles is obvious when you try to make suspicion mean something it doesn't.

No, it's not homemade. I took it with me on this last trip and plugged it right into the port with no homemade anything just like any other yuppie. The only thing I did myself is ONE connection from the SLA to the commercially produced power adapter.
:camera:'s ?

 
how large is this 12v battery? legal or not, you should have known that you were asking for trouble bringing something with random wires sticking out onto a plane. have fun getting searched on every flight from now on, Mr. Terrorist Watch List.
 
Originally posted by: Condor

The ones here that are telling you that you did something stupid are probably the same ones who were in alarm condition about the encrouchment on their rights by the Patriot Act.

I'm still alarmed by the incremental reduction of Constitutionally protected rights. BUT Airline security is something else entirely. There is no inherent assumption of privacy when you get on a Federally regulated mode of transportation, given the events of 9/11.
If Bush,INC. had gone to the F.I.S.A. Court, there would be no smoking gun as to the intention of this administration to do as it damn well please, The Law, and the Constitution be damned.
Isn't BUSH, INC. the one who doesn't want Judges legislating from the bench? How about usurping the power of the other branches! Checks and balances be damned.
 
Originally posted by: Yossarian
how large is this 12v battery? legal or not, you should have known that you were asking for trouble bringing something with random wires sticking out onto a plane. have fun getting searched on every flight from now on, Mr. Terrorist Watch List.

Probably about 5x5" square by 4" tall.

Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
[
It is an airplane power adapter, this plane didn't have plugs. Didn't know about the bathroom plugs, but my laptop battery doesn't hold a long enough charge to make it worthwhile. I flew on an MD80 this last trip, and it had power, so I didn't have need for it though. However, when that need arises, I will take it, and the documents I need, with me.

As far as documents go- I'd flown with the same contraption twice before, with no documentation whatsoever besides the 'Nonspillable' printed on the battery.
No. it's a HOMEMADE POWER ADAPTER. I meant a commercially available one. Your penchant for semantic battles is obvious when you try to make suspicion mean something it doesn't.

No, it's not homemade. I took it with me on this last trip and plugged it right into the port with no homemade anything just like any other yuppie. The only thing I did myself is ONE connection from the SLA to the commercially produced power adapter.
:camera:'s ?

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Phasmatis_nox/power.jpg
 
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: halik
you fly around with a car battery? WTF man... and you wonder why they searched you?

Let's see, you had a large 12v battery, cables going left and right, some kind of power adapter contraption and a laptop as an excuse to need all of the above. Geee i fvcking wonder why those guys got suspicious :roll:

Paranoid superstition - conquered by overcoming ignorance with research and learning.
You're confusing an airplane flight with a college lab. and perhaps TSA agents with Investigative Journalists. Their job is to identify suspicious items and remove them from the plane, secure them and get the passengers through the line in a timely fashion. Apparently someone on the plane didn't like either the looks of TitanDiddly, or his homemade Power adapter or both. They did their job, perhaps a little harshly, perhaps to the extreme. But no one died, they let him keep his toy, err TOOL, and everyone lived happily ever after. That TitanDiddly CHOOSES to make an issue out of this is his problem. The TSA will not apologize for this, nor do I think they need to.
As I keep saying, better for them to err on the side of caution, than lose a plane for fear of offending someone.

 
So please tell me how come you can't just put this into your laptop bag as a regular power adapter and get away with it? Maybe they'll flag you at security or whatever, but at least people won't see you carrying things with RED WIRES sticking out....
 
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
You know full well we want to see the whole damn thing.
Lets' see the Battery, the cabling and your power adapter, in the briefcase or carryon bag as you had it when they hassled you.
BTW, the only "bitch" around here is you. At least, you're the TSA's "bitch" now.
I'm sure not YOUR bitch, jackass.

It's dissassembled and in multiple states, thanks to the TSA. In any case, it doesn't matter how it looked, and it didn't look bad. If that one red wire had been black, nobody would have said a word. What matters is that it was legal, and the TSA said it wasn't and charged me with a crime.
 
Originally posted by: DLeRium
So please tell me how come you can't just put this into your laptop bag as a regular power adapter and get away with it? Maybe they'll flag you at security or whatever, but at least people won't see you carrying things with RED WIRES sticking out....

Quoted for example of stupidity.
 
Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
What the hell is wrong with you? I'm not disputing the TSAs right to inspect, I'm questioning their right to rewrite the LAW. They charged me with a crime when I didn't break the law. Out of the airport, wouldn't you be a little bit upset if a cop charged you with a crime for doing something suspicious, but legal? Of course you would. That's the same thing here with the TSA. How am I being an asshole about it, anyway? When I went through security, I got screened as expected, they didn't have the least problem with it. Nothing, completely fine. They even gave me an extra note to show that it was inspected and legal. I mentioned that note to the admins in Phoenix- they didn't even care. So what is it that give me my asshole traits? Is is the fact that I did everything I could once the problem arose to be curteous and respectful? No, I don't think so. Is it the fact that I brought something on a plane that I'd flown with twice before with no problem whatsoever? I don't think that's it. Is it the fact I'm delaying other people who are waiting for me to go through the security checkpoint? No, security pulls over random people anyway until they fill their quota. I don't get it, and I don't appreciate you calling me an asshole.

I am going to get this straightened out. As you can tell, I'm not very happy.
You weren't charged with anything. You said so yourself.....
I was told that the punishment for this 'crime' is up to $250k in fines and 5 years in FPMITAP, but since they were feeling generous, they'd let it go this time

The damn thing obviously made someone nervous. But if you had been charged with anything, you wouldn't have been allowed on the flight.
I'm not disagreeing with you that they re-write their own regs and that they're inconsistent with the application of same, but you're tilting at windmills, dude. Learn to pick your battles.
 
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
What the hell is wrong with you? I'm not disputing the TSAs right to inspect, I'm questioning their right to rewrite the LAW. They charged me with a crime when I didn't break the law. Out of the airport, wouldn't you be a little bit upset if a cop charged you with a crime for doing something suspicious, but legal? Of course you would. That's the same thing here with the TSA. How am I being an asshole about it, anyway? When I went through security, I got screened as expected, they didn't have the least problem with it. Nothing, completely fine. They even gave me an extra note to show that it was inspected and legal. I mentioned that note to the admins in Phoenix- they didn't even care. So what is it that give me my asshole traits? Is is the fact that I did everything I could once the problem arose to be curteous and respectful? No, I don't think so. Is it the fact that I brought something on a plane that I'd flown with twice before with no problem whatsoever? I don't think that's it. Is it the fact I'm delaying other people who are waiting for me to go through the security checkpoint? No, security pulls over random people anyway until they fill their quota. I don't get it, and I don't appreciate you calling me an asshole.

I am going to get this straightened out. As you can tell, I'm not very happy.
You weren't charged with anything. You saud so yourself.....
I was told that the punishment for this 'crime' is up to $250k in fines and 5 years in FPMITAP, but since they were feeling generous, they'd let it go this time

The damn thing obviously made someone nervous. But if you had been charged with anything, you wouldn't have been allowed on the flight.
I'm not disagreeing with you that they re-write their own regs and that they're inconsistent with the application of same, but you're tilting at windmills, dude. Learn to pick your battles.

I was charged, but in all their good graces they decided to let me get away with a registered mail warning. When I get back to the dorm, I'm scan the header from the FAA.

This is a liberty that I'm not willing to let go of.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -FDR
 
Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
You know full well we want to see the whole damn thing.
Lets' see the Battery, the cabling and your power adapter, in the briefcase or carryon bag as you had it when they hassled you.
BTW, the only "bitch" around here is you. At least, you're the TSA's "bitch" now.
I'm sure not YOUR bitch, jackass.

It's dissassembled and in multiple states, thanks to the TSA. In any case, it doesn't matter how it looked, and it didn't look bad. If that one red wire had been black, nobody would have said a word. What matters is that it was legal, and the TSA said it wasn't and charged me with a crime.
Quit exaggerating. Unless you failed to disclose the whole event, you were never arrested or charged with anything. Had you been arrested, your adapter and battery wouldn't have made the trip.
The life lesson you failed to have learned is that apperances mean something. Perception is king.


 
Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
Originally posted by: DLeRium
So please tell me how come you can't just put this into your laptop bag as a regular power adapter and get away with it? Maybe they'll flag you at security or whatever, but at least people won't see you carrying things with RED WIRES sticking out....

Quoted for example of stupidity.


Somebody spotted the red wire, and as we all know, red wire = bomb.

Gee. More details or else expect questions. You aren't exactly the smartest guy. I have NEVER had trouble with the metal detector except in mainland China where I guess they have it on ultra sensitive or something because my belt can't get across. Otherwise in the US, I have NEVER had an issue.

The only time I got secondary screened was because of the "random" selection process, and it was not because I set off any metal detectors. They wanted to swap my iPod and my Moto V600 to check for explosives and then they let me go. That was it. I even heard them say "is this our random selection?" followed by a "yup" before they called me over.
 
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