TSA and Unions

[Patranus]

Indeed the proper role of the governmentis to improve on the market for the benefit of society. Sometimes it does, sometimes not. The middle class explosion from the progressives/FDR on has a big government role.

You need to pick up a history book. The minimum wage actually costs jobs during the great depression. Jobs people were willing to do for those wages were no longer profitable to have a person actually do those jobs so they were replaced by automation.

 

[Craig234]

You need to pick up a history book. The minimum wage actually costs jobs during the great depression. Jobs people were willing to do for those wages were no longer profitable to have a person actually do those jobs so they were replaced by automation.

No, you need to pick up books. First, the harm to jobs of the minimum mwage, while it helps the workers have a better stabdard of living, is greatly exaggerated by the right.

Second, the progressives have other pllicies as well that help with jobs that far outweigh anything from the minimum wage. It's simple if you would get just a little informed.

 

[Red Dawn]

They actually make between $13.72 and 20.57 an hour. Not exactly a bad wage for a job that requires no college, has nice work conditions and does not have any long term responsibility to it.

Maybe they should require a degree in Law Enforcement or something similar and pay them accordingly. After all it's a fairly important job, much more than one that requires some one with a Business Degree who sits on his ass all day pushing paper. Someone in Middle Management makes a mistake it costs his company money, some one in Homeland Security makes a mistake it can cost lives.


BTW those wages you think are decent won't go far in places like Boston, D.C., New York and San Francisco

 

[Zebo]

I just miss the days when I got on planes with no security, no 'gates' but outdoor steps up to plane, OH and fine ass FEMALE ONLY between 18-26 flight attendants.

 

[MotF Bane]

I just miss the days when I got on planes with no security, no 'gates' but outdoor steps up to plane, OH and fine ass FEMALE ONLY between 18-26 flight attendants.

:thumbsup;
:thumbsup:

 

[halik]

No, you need to pick up books. First, the harm to jobs of the minimum mwage, while it helps the workers have a better stabdard of living, is greatly exaggerated by the right.

Second, the progressives have other pllicies as well that help with jobs that far outweigh anything from the minimum wage. It's simple if you would get just a little informed.

Hah great argument supported by complete lack of logic and substance.

There's been a great deal of economic research done on the topic and empirically speaking bumps in minimum wage do not increase unemployment, but they do cut the number of hours worked.

Large amount of the people making minimum wages are part time, so instead of getting fired because they now cost more, their hours are just cut. It is foolish to think that the increase in cost of labor is 100% absorbed by the employer (or the employee on the other extreme) and it will most definitely manifest itself one way or another.

 

[halik]

actually its $15.10-$22.60

TSA officers prob make more per hour than most of the people responding in my thread.

http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.a...mp=N&FedPub=Y&q=tsa&AVSDM=2009-12-03+12:49:00

SALARY RANGE 31,426.00 - 47,139.00 USD /year
OPEN PERIOD Thursday, December 03, 2009 to Tuesday, March 02, 2010
SERIES & GRADE SV-1802-D/D
POSITION INFORMATION Part-Time Permanent
PROMOTION POTENTIAL: E
DUTY LOCATIONS Adak, AK
WHO MAY BE CONSIDERED Open to All U.S. Citizens and U.S. Nationals. For further
Relocation: Relocation expenses will not be authorized.

Cops in NYC make 45K starting... TSA seems like a much better deal.

 

[Craig234]

Hah great argument supported by complete lack of logic and substance.

There's been a great deal of economic research done on the topic and empirically speaking bumps in minimum wage do not increase unemployment, but they do cut the number of hours worked.

Large amount of the people making minimum wages are part time, so instead of getting fired because they now cost more, their hours are just cut. It is foolish to think that the increase in cost of labor is 100% absorbed by the employer (or the employee on the other extreme) and it will most definitely manifest itself one way or another.

The idiotic leadin comment has a nice twist of irony as you add nothing more of the qualities you wrongly attack.

That's the most notable thing about your post; the substance is more unremarkable ignorance other than a dabble of fact, as you baselessly exaggerate the negative impact of minimum wage increases.

Check the credible studies on the net income effects on the poor of minimum wage increaes. I'll give you credit for going off half cocked and not being one of the 'Democrats hate the poor' nuts.

 

[alphatarget1]

Fuck the TSA and its employees. TSA employees and supervisors are retarded. I do not trust the TSA with airport security at all. Why should these fucking retards unionize and get paid even more for doing a shitty ass job?

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/newark...s-broken-slowed-tsa-security/story?id=9494827

Terminal dump because of TSA's incompetence.

I just got back from Canada. The TSA equivalent in Canada (CBSA) is infinitely more courteous and professional than any TSA retards I have come across. There were also RCMP officers at the gate check where they padded every US bound passengers.

Fuck the TSA. May this incompetent agency be eventually eliminated.

 

[glenn1]

America will get the security it is willing to pay for. Makes sense to me paying cops $100k and paying the airport security guy $10 per hour.

Only the little people who vote Democratic fly commercially - charter flights are the only way to go.

 

[alphatarget1]

Only the little people who vote Democratic fly commercially - charter flights are the only way to go.

you're being an elitist lol

 

[halik]

The idiotic leadin comment has a nice twist of irony as you add nothing more of the qualities you wrongly attack.

That's the most notable thing about your post; the substance is more unremarkable ignorance other than a dabble of fact, as you baselessly exaggerate the negative impact of minimum wage increases.

Check the credible studies on the net income effects on the poor of minimum wage increaes. I'll give you credit for going off half cocked and not being one of the 'Democrats hate the poor' nuts.

'Democrats hate the poor' nuts? Huh?

Hardly baseless, going off the material from Grad school (Economics). This topic has been rehashed many a time and the thing that always gets brought up is the Princeton study (NJ vs PA) :

"The only data set that indicates a significant
decline in employment in New Jersey relative to
Pennsylvania is the small set of restaurants col-
lected by EPI. Results of this data set stand in
contrast to our survey data, to the BLS’s payroll
data, and to the supplemental data collected by
Neumark and Wascher. The difference between
the New Jersey-Pennsylvania comparison in our
original survey and BNW’s data cannot be recon-
ciled by inherent differences between a telephone
survey and administrative payroll records because
the BLS ES-202 data are based on administrative
payroll records. Instead, we suspect the common
denominator is that representative samples show
statistically insignificant and small differences in
employment growth between New Jersey and
eastern Pennsylvania, while the nonrepresentative
sample informally collected for Berman produces
anomalous results. An alternative interpretation of the full spec-
trum of results is that the New Jersey minimum-
wage increase did not reduce total employment,
but it did slightly reduce the average number of
hours worked per employee. "

http://www.krueger.princeton.edu/90051397.pdf

Generally they found very minimal impact on total unemployment numbers, but some impact on hours worked.

Also:

http://www.epionline.org/study_detail.cfm?sid=109
http://www.uvm.edu/~vlrs/doc/min_wage.htm

You're the one going off of fluffy "standard of living will be improved" nonsense, when it's debatable whether increase of min. wage will actually result in increase of income for the employees.

 

[Craig234]

'Democrats hate the poor' nuts? Huh?

Hardly baseless, going off the material from Grad school (Economics). This topic has been rehashed many a time and the thing that always gets brought up is the Princeton study (NJ vs PA) :

"The only data set that indicates a signi?cant
decline in employment in New Jersey relative to
Pennsylvania is the small set of restaurants col-
lected by EPI. Results of this data set stand in
contrast to our survey data, to the BLS?s payroll
data, and to the supplemental data collected by
Neumark and Wascher. The difference between
the New Jersey-Pennsylvania comparison in our
original survey and BNW?s data cannot be recon-
ciled by inherent differences between a telephone
survey and administrative payroll records because
the BLS ES-202 data are based on administrative
payroll records. Instead, we suspect the common
denominator is that representative samples show
statistically insigni?cant and small differences in
employment growth between New Jersey and
eastern Pennsylvania, while the nonrepresentative
sample informally collected for Berman produces
anomalous results. An alternative interpretation of the full spec-
trum of results is that the New Jersey minimum-
wage increase did not reduce total employment,
but it did slightly reduce the average number of
hours worked per employee. "

http://www.krueger.princeton.edu/90051397.pdf

Also:

http://www.epionline.org/study_detail.cfm?sid=109
http://www.uvm.edu/~vlrs/doc/min_wage.htm

You're the one going off of fluffy "standard of living will be improved" nonsense, when it's debatable whether increase of min. wage will actually result in increase of income for the employees.

The dabble of fact I mentioned ou had, you named as one study.

My advice was to go look at more and see the effects on income of low-income workers.

Not just the direct recipients but the 'ranibow effect' on other low-income workers.

The same advice remains.

If you are pleading guilty to the 'Democrats hate the poor' nuttiness, you remove the benefit of the doubt.

 

[halik]

The dabble of fact I mentioned ou had, you named as one study.

My advice was to go look at more and see the effects on income of low-income workers.

Not just the direct recipients but the 'ranibow effect' on other low-income workers.

The same advice remains.

If you are pleading guilty to the 'Democrats hate the poor' nuttiness, you remove the benefit of the doubt.

HA,
another non-argument. The pdf alone I've posted is analysis of 5 peer-reviewed studies, first link 6 more studies and the epi paper has 3 pages of references for works cited. I would recommend reading what you're responding to before you touch the keyboard.

You have yet to post a single bit of proof of the stuff you're pulling out of your rear end. Also rainbow effect my ass, low income people have very little discretionary income, so most of it will be spent on necessities. Trickle down economics don't work at extra 80c/hr.

Finally I don't think anyone here has the slightest idea of what "Democrats hate the poor" is supposed to mean...