That's an opinion, you can't state that as a fact. For you it might be fine, for others it might not. That's a terrible argument to make; things like displays and speakers are extremely subjective.
That's an opinion, you can't state that as a fact. For you it might be fine, for others it might not. That's a terrible argument to make; things like displays and speakers are extremely subjective.
remagavon, sry if I jumped on you a bit.
I am VERY excited about the 7800 gtx 512 and think that right now is the perfect time for me to buy two of these suckers
1) The game I want to play at 16x12 on my 2001fp with everything on full will benefit from it.
2) It will last me for quite awhile, at a minimum through next year but I am banking on two.
3) Its not an absurd amount of money for something that I have planned on and am currently at exactly the right time in my planning to buy.
All I am trying to get through to everyone is that this is a KILLER setup and that to some of us SLI makes sense and its not just a waste of money (albeit a luxury), so stop screaming it in every thread about the card. I am sure it doesn't make sense for you, but just cause it makes sense for someone else it doesn't make them an idiot or some jerk rich kid.
I also believe that buying a rig is basically a time trick, you simply figure out how to best spend your money on something that will carry you through to when you can upgrade again, everything is working out for me on this purchase cause its fitting my timeline. All of this Vista and DX 10 stuff I see adopted in 2 years as standard and not sooner so why hold off I think thats just not knowing how certain thinks work, and past trends, in the tech industry/market.
In other words, right now, or even better q1/06 (after christmas will save you some cash), is a PERFECT time to buy (dual core, full product lines of vid cards just released, mature XP OS, mature games iusing DX 9 at their peak, etc, etc ,etc).
I am VERY excited about the 7800 gtx 512 and think that right now is the perfect time for me to buy two of these suckers
1) The game I want to play at 16x12 on my 2001fp with everything on full will benefit from it.
2) It will last me for quite awhile, at a minimum through next year but I am banking on two.
3) Its not an absurd amount of money for something that I have planned on and am currently at exactly the right time in my planning to buy.
All I am trying to get through to everyone is that this is a KILLER setup and that to some of us SLI makes sense and its not just a waste of money (albeit a luxury), so stop screaming it in every thread about the card. I am sure it doesn't make sense for you, but just cause it makes sense for someone else it doesn't make them an idiot or some jerk rich kid.
I also believe that buying a rig is basically a time trick, you simply figure out how to best spend your money on something that will carry you through to when you can upgrade again, everything is working out for me on this purchase cause its fitting my timeline. All of this Vista and DX 10 stuff I see adopted in 2 years as standard and not sooner so why hold off I think thats just not knowing how certain thinks work, and past trends, in the tech industry/market.
In other words, right now, or even better q1/06 (after christmas will save you some cash), is a PERFECT time to buy (dual core, full product lines of vid cards just released, mature XP OS, mature games iusing DX 9 at their peak, etc, etc ,etc).
Cookie Monster
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if you feel it's a good purchase, that's cool. you earned it; it's your money and you have a right to use it as you see fit. but in the grand scheme of things to all but a small minority, it's still a waste of money (you could feed a couple dozen starving kids for a year and still have a top-end gfx card). that some people can afford to or are willing to waste it doesn't make it any more practical.
why you needed to start a new thread to announce your upcoming purhase and flame those that have differing opinions or justify it to the rest of us is beyond me... as a matter of fact, i'm not even sure why you would bother to tell all of us at all, unless you're trying to impress us?
why you needed to start a new thread to announce your upcoming purhase and flame those that have differing opinions or justify it to the rest of us is beyond me... as a matter of fact, i'm not even sure why you would bother to tell all of us at all, unless you're trying to impress us?
AznAnarchy99
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i would be thinking about gettin one if i played at 1600x1200. But i game better at lower resolutions
Cainam,
Go suck an egg.
thats exactly the kind of crap im talking about in the initial post.
It's not a waste, and I don't have to defend my entire financial situation, you have no idea how much or to what charities I give my time and/or money too, and regarding whether or not it's a "waste" requires one to input several values into a pretty big equation. 7800 GTX 512 SLI is not de-facto a "waste".
Go suck an egg.
thats exactly the kind of crap im talking about in the initial post.
It's not a waste, and I don't have to defend my entire financial situation, you have no idea how much or to what charities I give my time and/or money too, and regarding whether or not it's a "waste" requires one to input several values into a pretty big equation. 7800 GTX 512 SLI is not de-facto a "waste".
I don't think it's a waste of money. If you buy an X1800XT for almsot the same price, that's a waste since it's not the best card out there. Ditto for the X1800XL and 256mb GTX. Buy the best. Or buy in the medium range. Don't skimp out on the high end for a handful of dollars.
All I know is that I have a whole lot of fun playing bf2, quake 4,etc at 1280x1024 and 1024x768 on my 7800gt. Probably as much fun as you do.
And if I ever wanted to do 1600x1200 I could just pop in another gt since I have sli board that I got for free
And if I ever wanted to do 1600x1200 I could just pop in another gt since I have sli board that I got for free
Wow....it is amazing how many people are willing to flame someone who very intelligently manages to upgrade his system. 512MB GTX SLI is one of the more future proof solutions you can get. I don't know a timeline for NVIDIA's or ATI's (hah) next product, but the 512MB GTX is a beast that will continue to please for some time. He could just as easily claim all of us are wasting any money spent on GF 6xxx or ATI X8xx cards due to their lack of comparative performance in current gen games. :roll: Yet he's not quite that much of a moron, at least as far as I can tell so far
you're the one feeling the necessity to justify (or perhpaps flaunt?) to all of us here how much you're spending on video cards, not me
like i stated earlier, it's your money, do what you want.. but don't apply your own standards (which is in the VERY small minority) and create a thread just to flame others who view it as frivilous. the bottom line is you opened yourself up to scrutiny by starting this idiotic thread in the first place.
I know for certain that the 512mb GTX in SLI will last for at least 4 years at being the "high performance", and I bet you could squeeze a few more years after that.
The people crying DX10 right now went ahead and bought the X1800 or X800 anyways... so what's the point in discussing with hypocrites.
The people crying DX10 right now went ahead and bought the X1800 or X800 anyways... so what's the point in discussing with hypocrites.
Originally posted by: CaiNaM
you're the one feeling the necessity to justify (or perhpaps flaunt?) to all of us here how much you're spending on video cards, not me
like i stated earlier, it's your money, do what you want.. but don't apply your own standards (which is in the VERY small minority) and create a thread just to flame others who view it as frivilous. the bottom line is you opened yourself up to scrutiny by starting this idiotic thread in the first place.
Amen Brother
I don't think I see the point of this thread, you don't have to justify anything to us. Go spend your money as you see fit. Some people will think it's a foolish waste, others will see it as a wise investment in the future. Why should you care either way? More to the point, why even bother telling us?
RussianSensation
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That's not the point. Even if you have money some investments are wise and others are not. These 2 cards will drop in price like a rocket. And 2 7800GTs are faster than equivalently priced 7800GTX 512mb (highlighting that it's already overpriced to start with). Basically to each his own for sure like you said, but when you buy these 2 cards you should expect them to depreciate in price a lot. When you said you expect them to last till Q4 07 or Q1 08, that's fine. The point is a guy who buys $350 card today, $350 Q2 07 and $350 Q1 08 will have sufficient performance at 1600x1200 all this time and probably by Q2 07 match your performance and by Q1 08 exceed it, having spent far less.
So the only sense for anyone to buy best of the best is only if they can afford to buy best of the best EVERY new cycle. Otherwise you are better off upgrading more frequently and you'll find that you quickly catch up. (ie. 2x 6800Ultras = $500 x 2 when they come out = $1000, instead a person bought 6800GT for $350, then in 1 year 7800GT for $350, then in 1 year 8800GT for $350, and thats not taking into account a more expensive power supply for SLI and a more expensive SLI mobo...so it becomes probably cheaper to upgrade over time to mid-high end and overclock them). Actually the price difference is even greater since a person who can buy $350 cards and hold for 1 year and sell them he can still recoup 50% of the cost along the way and reinvest it into a new upgrade. While the person who bought 2x6800Ultras will probably get $100 for them at the end of the 3 cycles.
So you get amazing performance in the beginning, about equal in the middle, and slower at the end of the cycle, but end up losing a lot more money. That's why unless you can afford every generation of high end and $1300 is like $100 to you, it just doesn't make sense for. But if it makes sense to you, then who cares what anyone else thinks
I just wanted to throw my opinion.Originally posted by: RussianSensation
That's not the point. Even if you have money some investments are wise and others are not. These 2 cards will drop in price like a rocket. And 2 7800GTs are faster than equivalently priced 7800GTX 512mb (highlighting that it's already overpriced to start with). Basically to each his own for sure like you said, but when you buy these 2 cards you should expect them to depreciate in price a lot. When you said you expect them to last till Q4 07 or Q1 08, that's fine. The point is a guy who buys $350 card today, $350 Q2 07 and $350 Q1 08 will have sufficient performance at 1600x1200 all this time and probably by Q2 07 match your performance and by Q1 08 exceed it, having spent far less.
So the only sense for anyone to buy best of the best is only if they can afford to buy best of the best EVERY new cycle. Otherwise you are better off upgrading more frequently and you'll find that you quickly catch up. (ie. 2x 6800Ultras = $500 x 2 when they come out = $1000, instead a person bought 6800GT for $350, then in 1 year 7800GT for $350, then in 1 year 8800GT for $350, and thats not taking into account a more expensive power supply for SLI and a more expensive SLI mobo...so it becomes probably cheaper to upgrade over time to mid-high end and overclock them). Actually the price difference is even greater since a person who can buy $350 cards and hold for 1 year and sell them he can still recoup 50% of the cost along the way and reinvest it into a new upgrade. While the person who bought 2x6800Ultras will probably get $100 for them at the end of the 3 cycles.
So you get amazing performance in the beginning, about equal in the middle, and slower at the end of the cycle, but end up losing a lot more money. That's why unless you can afford every generation of high end and $1300 is like $100 to you, it just doesn't make sense for. But if it makes sense to you, then who cares what anyone else thinks
^ ^ ^ ^ ^
What he said. If you can afford it and don't have anything else to spend the $$ on then I guess go for it.
BUT, unless you are really *wealthy* or ALL you do is game, then it simply doesnt make sense to buy the BEST of the BEST. That is because of the speed of devaluation and the fact that a SINGLE GTX or SLI GT is fast enough for 95% of all situations out there right now, and for the near future. When its not fast enough, you upgrade again.
Either I am blind or noone else has read the articles, because thats an extreme performance increase for 2 of these in SLI for 16x12 4xAA 8xAF over the single card. And thats exactly what I want in all of my games and all of the games I listed above can benefit from this configuration.
And about the money thing, does noone get it? I have seen people spend money on hobbies way in excess of a few grand. I have a good friend who has a gun collection and good lord you wouldn't believe the cash he throws at a gun he wants. I have a other friends who are into cars, golf, skiing, etc and would say rather un equivocally that a few extra grand a year pales in comparasion next to what they drop on their hobbies.
Also I understand some of you are basically kids and are either still in school or just at the start of your earning potential, it sucks I have been there, and I know even a few grand is an insane amount of money from that perspective. Give yourself a 10 years in your profession a few grand is not much money at all if you manage it right.
What you spend your own money on is your business, I am not the one flaunting anything I am just asking people to stop all of the crap remarks in the multitude of posts about the "ridiculous" pricing on this card and start talking about the card itself. Why? Cause it's only ridiculous from your point of view, YOU are the one imposing your value judgements on others.
I challenge anyone to find me some information on water blocks cause I have already started looking, has anyone seen a site where they have a picture of the card without the stock cooler?
And about the money thing, does noone get it? I have seen people spend money on hobbies way in excess of a few grand. I have a good friend who has a gun collection and good lord you wouldn't believe the cash he throws at a gun he wants. I have a other friends who are into cars, golf, skiing, etc and would say rather un equivocally that a few extra grand a year pales in comparasion next to what they drop on their hobbies.
Also I understand some of you are basically kids and are either still in school or just at the start of your earning potential, it sucks I have been there, and I know even a few grand is an insane amount of money from that perspective. Give yourself a 10 years in your profession a few grand is not much money at all if you manage it right.
What you spend your own money on is your business, I am not the one flaunting anything I am just asking people to stop all of the crap remarks in the multitude of posts about the "ridiculous" pricing on this card and start talking about the card itself. Why? Cause it's only ridiculous from your point of view, YOU are the one imposing your value judgements on others.
I challenge anyone to find me some information on water blocks cause I have already started looking, has anyone seen a site where they have a picture of the card without the stock cooler?
Anyone who buys video cards as an "investment" is insane regardless of which card they buy. I am also willing to pay a premium for "superior" performance over "sufficient performance" for the next two years I will have my rig. 2 years of gaming bliss during my precious life here on earth is almost priceless.
Ronin
Diamond Member
Originally posted by: remagavon
That's an opinion, you can't state that as a fact. For you it might be fine, for others it might not. That's a terrible argument to make; things like displays and speakers are extremely subjective.
Sorry, just about every review site that has done one on the 2405 would disagree with you. When a conglomeration of people (especially those that actually own the monitor) provide comparisons, it moves away from the opinion category, and it becomes just plain FACT. You lose, bud.
I personally don't have a problem with NVIDIA's MSRP of the 7800GTX 512. What I do have a problem with is the e-tailers selling them for outrageous proffits! $750 for something that cost them maybe $600???? There is no excuse other then GREED! I don't think there is any honest e-tailers that exist, atleast not that i have seen. It doesnt stop with video cards, you see it with every 'hot' Item and also the supposed 'short supply'. If I could stick one of my fingers up at those people, I imagine you could guess which one.
The Surgeon
The Surgeon
Ronin
Diamond Member
How does honesty come into play here? They're charging a margin for the cards. Basic demand principles (you know..Econ 101?). There's no ethical debate here, it's basic capitalistic motive, and if you were in their position, you'd do the same, I'd venture.
Sorry, but that is simply an asinine statement. Some things are inherently a matter of opinion; doesn't matter how many people share the same opinion, doesn't make it fact. You and 80% of the population might think Britney Spears has talent, I think she is talentless, and don't try to tell me that your position is a fact, and I am just plain wrong.
One key area where LCDs fall short of top-of-the-line CRTs is refresh rates. I *hate* tearing and so almost always play games with vsynch on, at 1024x768, on a 21" CRT monitor. Gets me 120 fps in my favorite games. What refresh rate do you get on your Dell widescreen? 60Hz? I've never seen an LCD that allows more than 75Hz refresh, and I've seen some that claim they can 75Hz that actually do not. Keep in mind that your game controller lag is directly tied to the refresh rate. I personally would never consider playing my favorite online games with my framerate capped at 60 fps, or even 75 fps, with vsync on. For this reason, my opinion (and I am entitled to it) is that my CRT is superior to your LCD for gaming.
I say forget LCD, SED (Surface-conduction Electron-emitter Display) will be available in 12 months or so. You get the black-level, fill-factor, contrast, pixel response, and refresh rate advantages of CRT, along with the brightness, sharpness, and perfect geometry of an LCD. Best of both worlds.
How does honesty come into play? You question honesty in business? Remind me not to do any business with you. Call it what it is bro, simple GREED! I've never had 'Econ 101' and don't need it if honesty isnt taught.
You get what you give,
Would I do the same? NO! Reason? Because not only would I sell out (just like they do) the customers would remember my name, and thank me for not ripping them off. Then you would have the ever so important "return buyers". It's not always about money you know. When I do business, I want to know I can trust that company that they won't rip me off. Something these e-tailors don't seem to get.
The Surgeon
Ronin
Diamond Member
You obviously have no concept of business, which scares me based on your user name.
Good business still relies on profit to stay in business. If you can't handle capitalism, go to a third world country.
Good business still relies on profit to stay in business. If you can't handle capitalism, go to a third world country.
This depends on the game engine, and has nothing to do with the monitor. If the inputs are handled in a different thread than the video rendering, then it can block waiting for the vertical refresh while still accepting input from the user. If it's all one monolithic thread, then you will see this behavior.
Ronin guy, NEWS FLASH!!!! MSRP IS MAKING A PROFFIT! Do you have to triple the amount of proffits to stay in business? NO! So your reasoning with charging an arm and a leg doesn't hold water. The one's who have no concept of business are the one's who have no concept of HONESTY!!!!
HELLO!!!!!
The Surgeon
HELLO!!!!!
The Surgeon
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