Trumps northeast Blitzkrieg

[zinfamous]

I'm sorry that you can't see what I see. Hillary should have never run because, in the end, not only will it be her undoing, but the loss of the family fortune goes with it. It's not going to be the emails, but something much bigger. She will wish for the day she just counted her lucky stars and STFU and stayed in her square.

Trump is gonna kick her down the road, if she doesn't get indicted first. She's under capitalized against him. I'm gonna make the popcorn and enjoy the show.

That's fine and well as it should be. 98% of AT posters are perfectly content that they can't see what you see.

It would mean that we are being under-prescribed Lithium.

 

[SP33Demon]

Trump crushed Cruz/Kasich even beyond 538's projections. It's over, folks unless they can steal it on 2nd ballot. Trump has less of a lead in Indiana and Cali but he is still projected to win those as well. The wine and strippers have been ordered for the 1st ballot victory speech. :biggrin:

 

[zinfamous]

The miscalculation lies in people thinking that Trump is GOP, Tea party, or whatever. He's running the GOP ticket because, as calculated, historically, no Democrat's have done a three-peat presidency since the 1828.

Trump isn't a toe the line partisan. He's a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. He might beat her better as a democrat, but the democrats lose this year, so he had that already figured out. Typical as a NY businessman. President Trump 2016!

Ah, funny math. Holding to silly axioms that have no real meaning outside of the single moment they are instantly not true. This is why statistics and the practice of sound data is lost on the typical republican flag waver.

it's just too complicated to do the work and the thinking.

"Since 1828!" is going to be instantly invalid the moment that it is no longer true. How funny to bet the farm on such a pedestrian failure to understand truth.

 

[echo4747]

interesting:

With his five blowout wins Tuesday night, Donald Trump has passed Mitt Romney’s popular vote total from four years ago and is on a trajectory that could land him more Republican votes than any presidential candidate in modern history – by a lot.

Trump surged to more than 10 million votes, according to totals that include Tuesday’s preliminary results across the Northeast. That’s already about 250,000 more than Romney earned in the entire 2012 primary season and 153,000 more than John McCain earned in 2008.

More significantly, Trump is positioned to easily pass the modern record-holder, George W. Bush, who collected 10.8 million votes in 2000.

That presents an uncomfortable reality for anti-Trump forces: they’re attempting to thwart the candidate who is likely to win more Republican primary votes than any GOP contender in at least the last 36 years, and maybe ever.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/twelv...rump-popular-vote-record-222510#ixzz472aVcgP2

 

[1prophet]

It's hard to imagine why anyone would think that though. Basically pick any complaint you have about Clinton and Trump is far worse.

I personally don't get the Clinton hate anyway, she's going to be a center left technocrat like Obama. That's worked pretty well for the last eight years so why not eight more?

That delusion you and others like you are under is the reason Sanders and Trump have gone as far as they have when they wouldn't have made it out of the election starting gate 20 years ago,

people aren't voting for Trump and Sanders because of the status quo That's worked pretty well for the last eight years, but because they are tired of the bullshit empty promises that vaporize soon after the election so they can do the bidding of big business and corporations to the detriment of middle class America,

but one needs to come down from their ideological elitist ivory tower to understand what the "low information little people" are complaining about.

 

[zinfamous]

That's an amazing calculation on Trump's part. Unfortunately for you both, democrats won the presidency five times in a row with FDR and Truman.

Looks like he had it all figured out! What a genius! Hahaha.

well shit, I forgot about that. I guess that has been a quaintly false axiom for far longer than assumed.

 

[zinfamous]

That delusion you and others like you are under is the reason Sanders and Trump have gone as far as they have when they wouldn't have made it out of the election starting gate 20 years ago,

people aren't voting for Trump and Sanders because of the status quo That's worked pretty well for the last eight years, but because they are tired of the bullshit empty promises that vaporize soon after the election so they can do the bidding of big business and corporations to the detriment of middle class America,

but one needs to come down from their ideological elitist ivory tower to understand what the "low information little people" are complaining about.

I think a lot of people get that: see, the voters this primary season and many people posting here. I much prefer Bernie to Hillary, obviously, and the one thing I admire the Republican party for right now is that they are already undergoing the needed bloodletting and the party re-balancing is happening far sooner than it will with the Dems.

I'm hoping that the Trump circus allows a more rational, reasonable type of conservative platform that is closer to the liberal/libertarian ideal that the "traditional" GOP has long pretended to be (but never in practice since Goldwater/Nixon, and sure as shit not with Reagan/Bushes).

I'm hoping Hillary is a one-termer and we see a more centrist-left shift with the Dems rather than this mid-right horseshit that the Clintons established.

 

[SP33Demon]

interesting:

With his five blowout wins Tuesday night, Donald Trump has passed Mitt Romney’s popular vote total from four years ago and is on a trajectory that could land him more Republican votes than any presidential candidate in modern history – by a lot.

Trump surged to more than 10 million votes, according to totals that include Tuesday’s preliminary results across the Northeast. That’s already about 250,000 more than Romney earned in the entire 2012 primary season and 153,000 more than John McCain earned in 2008.

More significantly, Trump is positioned to easily pass the modern record-holder, George W. Bush, who collected 10.8 million votes in 2000.

That presents an uncomfortable reality for anti-Trump forces: they’re attempting to thwart the candidate who is likely to win more Republican primary votes than any GOP contender in at least the last 36 years, and maybe ever.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/twelv...rump-popular-vote-record-222510#ixzz472aVcgP2

Yup, the country has been itching for a fiscal conservative and social moderate for awhile. Trump most aligns with my favorite party (modern Whigs). Would be nice if the Repubs and Dems both blew up into 2 parties to give us a choice of 4 legitimate parties. This country is tired of picking from only 2. Hopefully Trump and Sanders will be the catalyst for such parties.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Wouldn't it be cool if Trump listened to this after last nights results

https://vimeo.com/62588871


***edit***
Listening to Trump now, he teleprompter speech isn't as exciting

 

[fskimospy]

That delusion you and others like you are under is the reason Sanders and Trump have gone as far as they have when they wouldn't have made it out of the election starting gate 20 years ago,

people aren't voting for Trump and Sanders because of the status quo That's worked pretty well for the last eight years, but because they are tired of the bullshit empty promises that vaporize soon after the election so they can do the bidding of big business and corporations to the detriment of middle class America,

but one needs to come down from their ideological elitist ivory tower to understand what the "low information little people" are complaining about.

So to be clear you think people are voting for Trump, who has pledged to give more money to the ultra rich than any candidate in US history, because they are mad about politicians not prioritizing middle class America? Makes perfect sense, haha.

People being mad about stagnant wages makes perfect sense to me, it's just dumb that they think electing an incompetent, bloviating ignoramus would help to solve it. I'm happy that Trump is winning the nomination though as he looks to be pretty easy to beat in the general election because most of the country hates him and even if he did somehow win he's so incompetent and erratic that he would probably struggle to get anything done. A win all around for me!

So please, vote Trump to your heart's content. I'm all in favor of it.

 

[bshole]

Out of the Republicans he is the only one with a shot of beating Hilary.

but the only people with the chance of actually beating her is the FBI. other then that hillary has the Presidency locked up.

It really comes down to 2 people who I don't trust at all. Both are going to fuck over the middle class to make their friends richer.

Only difference between the two is that at least Trump is open about it. But he won't beat her 1 on 1.

Yea there is 0% chance of her losing right now. It would take an indictment.

 

[Sonikku]

People might be underestimating Trumps chances. I mean it's a long shot, but not impossible. The thing is people vote for their party more than the man at this point. So even if the other half of the GoP is railing against Trump now in the primary there's a good chance that most of them will hold their nose and vote for him anyway in the general. There's even a chance some of Sanders supporters could spill over and support him over Hillary due to the similar appeal.

 

[DrPizza]

I'm sorry that you can't see what I see. Hillary should have never run because, in the end, not only will it be her undoing, but the loss of the family fortune goes with it. It's not going to be the emails, but something much bigger. She will wish for the day she just counted her lucky stars and STFU and stayed in her square.

Trump is gonna kick her down the road, if she doesn't get indicted first. She's under capitalized against him. I'm gonna make the popcorn and enjoy the show.

I think your post is a version of wishcasting. I see you've switched over to the FBI investigation, since the 6 or 7 or however many Benghazi investigations have turned up exactly zero wrong doing. FBI investigation for how long now? Any day now... any day now... any day now. You keep hearing that repeated and somehow you've taken it as evidence she's done something seriously wrong, rather than do what the previous Sec of States did.

 

[echo4747]

So to be clear you think people are voting for Trump, who has pledged to give more money to the ultra rich than any candidate in US history, because they are mad about politicians not prioritizing middle class America? Makes perfect sense, haha.

People being mad about stagnant wages makes perfect sense to me, it's just dumb that they think electing an incompetent, bloviating ignoramus would help to solve it. I'm happy that Trump is winning the nomination though as he looks to be pretty easy to beat in the general election because most of the country hates him and even if he did somehow win he's so incompetent and erratic that he would probably struggle to get anything done. A win all around for me!

So please, vote Trump to your heart's content. I'm all in favor of it.

how has Trump pledged to give more money to the ultra-rich? (what do you mean by ultra-rich ? total net worth? yearly income over a certain threshold?)

 

[zinfamous]

I think your post is a version of wishcasting. I see you've switched over to the FBI investigation, since the 6 or 7 or however many Benghazi investigations have turned up exactly zero wrong doing. FBI investigation for how long now? Any day now... any day now... any day now. You keep hearing that repeated and somehow you've taken it as evidence she's done something seriously wrong, rather than do what the previous Sec of States did.

he's not even saying it's about the emails. compuwiz is all about "that other stuff"

you know, it's "obviously there, that other stuff" and "he sees it." "if only people could know what he knows!"

etc.

compuwiz is 100% in Lizard People territory.

 

[kage69]

I think the Dems stand a good chance at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory now.

They nominate Hillary, Drumpf has a shot at the White House. If they think Bernie supporters are just going to obediently vote for Hillary when they see her as a supporter of a corrupted system, man are they in for a rude awakening. Dems who aren't drinking the Klinton KoolAid and independants know the system is broken, and see it being controlled by powerful interests - Sanders bowing out doesn't just magically make all that go away, nor does it change anyone's views on establishment corruption.

How fucking stupid do you think Dems will feel if on Nov. 9th they lose to Drumpf, because they put Hillary's quest for glory ahead of party ideals?

Hey FBI, get off your ass and do your job. Let the cards fall where they may.

 

[fskimospy]

I think the Dems stand a good chance at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory now.

They nominate Hillary, Drumpf has a shot at the White House. If they think Bernie supporters are just going to obediently vote for Hillary when they see her as a supporter of a corrupted system, man are they in for a rude awakening. Dems who aren't drinking the Klinton KoolAid and independants know the system is broken, and see it being controlled by powerful interests - Sanders bowing out doesn't just magically make all that go away, nor does it change anyone's views on establishment corruption.

How fucking stupid do you think Dems will feel if on Nov. 9th they lose to Drumpf, because they put Hillary's quest for glory ahead of party ideals?

Hey FBI, get off your ass and do your job. Let the cards fall where they may.

Remember PUMAs? No? Exactly. If Bernie supporters don't support Hillary instead of Trump they are shooting themselves in the foot. You want a massive tax cut for rich people that will make inequality even worse? Trump's your man. You want SCOTUS justices that will roll back regulation and perhaps overturn Roe v. Wade? Trump's your man. Want to repeal the ACA and go back to the old system? Trump's your man.

I also think the idea that Sanders would be a stronger general election candidate is deeply misguided. Sanders has never been attacked in any meaningful way by Republicans for a very good reason, they think the stronger he is the more he hurts their actual opponent. Can you imagine what would happen to Sanders's image when they start rolling out things like the fact he couldn't shut up about how wonderful Castro was, how he went out of his way to praise the brutal Sandinistas? He is just way, way too easy to burn to the ground.

 

[kage69]

Remember PUMAs? No? Exactly.

Please elaborate.

If Bernie supporters don't support Hillary instead of Trump they are shooting themselves in the foot.

So in your view the Sanders people should just swallow their principles, that embracing the corruption they vehemently disagree, helping it succeed, is better than punting, letting the brain dead continue on without their help? Why should anyone feel obligated to vote for a pandering crook?

You've got it backwards, Dems are shooting themselves in the foot with siding with Hillary. That she is proving more popular with the establishment doesn't invalidate the fact she is a Wall Street servant and basically republican-light. If this wasn't the case Bernie wouldn't even be running, and you know it.

You want a massive tax cut for rich people that will make inequality even worse? Trump's your man. You want SCOTUS justices that will roll back regulation and perhaps overturn Roe v. Wade? Trump's your man. Want to repeal the ACA and go back to the old system? Trump's your man.

If you are looking for someone to defend Drumpf here, keep looking.

I also think the idea that Sanders would be a stronger general election candidate is deeply misguided.

The other week he was the only candidate with positive polling among a dozen or so national polls. He's not a racist sociopath, a product of Wall Street, and isn't being investigated by the FBI for possible breaches of national security. With all due respect,I think you are deeply misguided here, not me. I won't even get into how many former republicans I know who are onboard with Bernie, to say nothing of life long Dems here in New England who want nothing to do with her corporate ties, or her damn hot sauce (and my god was that pathetic!)

Sanders has never been attacked in any meaningful way by Republicans for a very good reason, they think the stronger he is the more he hurts their actual opponent. Can you imagine what would happen to Sanders's image when they start rolling out things like the fact he couldn't shut up about how wonderful Castro was, how he went out of his way to praise the brutal Sandinistas? He is just way, way too easy to burn to the ground.

Few people try it because the man is adept at smacking them down, that and he knows how to answer questions and debate. You're criticizing a man's platform as being too flammable, while advocating for the lady who adorns herself with oily rags and napalm slurry? :biggrin: Thank you for that, my day needed some more humor. Let me know if he landed anywhere under sniper fire.

Yes, dig up some shit on Castro. That's worked well for all repubs still butthurt about opening ties with the island. Why debate the now when you can quibble and bitch about Cold War era shit that was unaffected by us sulking for 50 years?

 

[hal2kilo]

Please elaborate.



So in your view the Sanders people should just swallow their principles, that embracing the corruption they vehemently disagree, helping it succeed, is better than punting, letting the brain dead continue on without their help? Why should anyone feel obligated to vote for a pandering crook?

You've got it backwards, Dems are shooting themselves in the foot with siding with Hillary. That she is proving more popular with the establishment doesn't invalidate the fact she is a Wall Street servant and basically republican-light. If this wasn't the case Bernie wouldn't even be running, and you know it.



If you are looking for someone to defend Drumpf here, keep looking.



The other week he was the only candidate with positive polling among a dozen or so national polls. He's not a racist sociopath, a product of Wall Street, and isn't being investigated by the FBI for possible breaches of national security. With all due respect,I think you are deeply misguided here, not me. I won't even get into how many former republicans I know who are onboard with Bernie, to say nothing of life long Dems here in New England who want nothing to do with her corporate ties, or her damn hot sauce (and my god was that pathetic!)




Few people try it because the man is adept at smacking them down, that and he knows how to answer questions and debate. You're criticizing a man's platform as being too flammable, while advocating for the lady who adorns herself with oily rags and napalm slurry? :biggrin: Thank you for that, my day needed some more humor.

Yes, dig up some shit on Castro. That's worked well for all repubs still butthurt about opening ties with the island. Why debate the now when you can quibble and bitch about Cold War era shit that was unaffected by us sulking for 50 years?

I think this is a symptom. I think its called Bernt out. It's time to get real, unless you'd be happy with a Republican in the White House.

 

[kage69]

I think this is a symptom. I think its called Bernt out. It's time to get real, unless you'd be happy with a Republican in the White House.

Physician, heal thyself.

If you see bad in both choices, there is no shame in punting. At least then you won't have compromised your principles and won't be part of the crowd responsible when things get worse and this thing starts anew in 4 years.

I'm not sure I'd be "happy" with anyone in the running getting the White House, there's plenty I disagree with Sanders on as a matter of fact. I know I wouldn't resent him as he's clearly the most suited for the job. No way I'll support Drumpf. I'd support the Hillary of 25 years ago, before she sold out. The current Wall Street lapdog Hillary? Hell no. I think her imperious ego is every bit as nauseating as Drumpfs actually, she just doesn't resort to insults and bigotry. If a Drumpf victory in the general is what it takes to brute force the Dem party back into alignment with it's ideals, so be it. I'm not a Dem though, so it's easier for me to be ok with it. I stand by my initial post.

 

[Printer Bandit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8TwRmX6zs4

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Can you imagine what would happen to Sanders's image when they start rolling out things like the fact he couldn't shut up about how wonderful Castro was, how he went out of his way to praise the brutal Sandinistas? He is just way, way too easy to burn to the ground.

lol, and just a few years ago one of the easiest things to bash Reagan for was his role in supporting the Contras. Very liberal of you.

 

[fskimospy]

Please elaborate.

Hillary supporters said the same thing in 2008 when she lost. Supporters of losing candidates frequently say this same thing. They rarely mean it.

So in your view the Sanders people should just swallow their principles, that embracing the corruption they vehemently disagree, helping it succeed, is better than punting, letting the brain dead continue on without their help? Why should anyone feel obligated to vote for a pandering crook?

I don't really know how to respond to this because it's mostly ranting. If Sanders supporters believe in advancing progressive values then they should vote for Hillary. If you are okay with having the progressive advances of the last decade or so reversed, then feel free not to. It's foolish, but that's your choice.

You've got it backwards, Dems are shooting themselves in the foot with siding with Hillary. That she is proving more popular with the establishment doesn't invalidate the fact she is a Wall Street servant and basically republican-light. If this wasn't the case Bernie wouldn't even be running, and you know it.

Don't forget she's also more popular with Democrats in general, which is why she won the primary. The idea that she is a Wall Street servant is nonsense, and the idea that she is Republican lite is absolutely ridiculous. She and Sanders voted together 93% of the time. Is he 93% of the way to being a Republican?

Basically every election has a progressive or conservative challenger to the presumptive candidate. Sanders is nothing new.

If you are looking for someone to defend Drumpf here, keep looking.

I don't expect you to defend him, I'm just telling you the logical outcome of your stance. If enough people do as you say, hello president trump.

The other week he was the only candidate with positive polling among a dozen or so national polls. He's not a racist sociopath, a product of Wall Street, and isn't being investigated by the FBI for possible breaches of national security. With all due respect,I think you are deeply misguided here, not me. I won't even get into how many former republicans I know who are onboard with Bernie, to say nothing of life long Dems here in New England who want nothing to do with her corporate ties, or her damn hot sauce (and my god was that pathetic!)

As I said, his polls reflect someone basically nobody has bothered to attack. That would change in a general election.

Few people try it because the man is adept at smacking them down, that and he knows how to answer questions and debate. You're criticizing a man's platform as being too flammable, while advocating for the lady who adorns herself with oily rags and napalm slurry? :biggrin: Thank you for that, my day needed some more humor. Let me know if he landed anywhere under sniper fire.

Yes, dig up some shit on Castro. That's worked well for all repubs still butthurt about opening ties with the island. Why debate the now when you can quibble and bitch about Cold War era shit that was unaffected by us sulking for 50 years?

Hillary has been under attack by republicans for a quarter century now and still ended up beating Sanders. He has a number of glaring weaknesses and his past embrace of brutal communist dictatorships looks pretty terrible. He would not have been a good general election candidate.

 

[fskimospy]

lol, and just a few years ago one of the easiest things to bash Reagan for was his role in supporting the Contras. Very liberal of you.

Yes, Reagan supporting the Contras was both wrong and a crime that he should have been impeached over. Surely you can see why someone would both view a government as bad and view illegally funding a violent insurgency against it as also bad.

 

[Jhhnn]

how has Trump pledged to give more money to the ultra-rich? (what do you mean by ultra-rich ? total net worth? yearly income over a certain threshold?)

His harder & deeper trickle down tax plan to unleash the power of capitalism, of course.