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Trump's Muslim ban is a shock event designed to mask his real goal

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From Heather Richardson, professor of History at Boston College:
"I don't like to talk about politics on Facebook-- political history is my job, after all, and you are my friends-- but there is an important non-partisan point to make today.

What Bannon is doing, most dramatically with last night's ban on immigration from seven predominantly Muslim countries-- is creating what is known as a "shock event."

Such an event is unexpected and confusing and throws a society into chaos. People scramble to react to the event, usually along some fault line that those responsible for the event can widen by claiming that they alone know how to restore order.

When opponents speak out, the authors of the shock event call them enemies. As society reels and tempers run high, those responsible for the shock event perform a sleight of hand to achieve their real goal, a goal they know to be hugely unpopular, but from which everyone has been distracted as they fight over the initial event. There is no longer concerted opposition to the real goal; opposition divides along the partisan lines established by the shock event.

Last night's Executive Order has all the hallmarks of a shock event. It was not reviewed by any governmental agencies or lawyers before it was released, and counterterrorism experts insist they did not ask for it. People charged with enforcing it got no instructions about how to do so. Courts immediately have declared parts of it unconstitutional, but border police in some airports are refusing to stop enforcing it.
Predictably, chaos has followed and tempers are hot.

My point today is this: unless you are the person setting it up, it is in no one's interest to play the shock event game. It is designed explicitly to divide people who might otherwise come together so they cannot stand against something its authors think they won't like.

I don't know what Bannon is up to-- although I have some guesses-- but because I know Bannon's ideas well, I am positive that there is not a single person whom I consider a friend on either side of the aisle-- and my friends range pretty widely-- who will benefit from whatever it is.

If the shock event strategy works, though, many of you will blame each other, rather than Bannon, for the fallout. And the country will have been tricked into accepting their real goal.

But because shock events destabilize a society, they can also be used positively. We do not have to respond along old fault lines. We could just as easily reorganize into a different pattern that threatens the people who sparked the event.
A successful shock event depends on speed and chaos because it requires knee-jerk reactions so that people divide along established lines. This, for example, is how Confederate leaders railroaded the initial southern states out of the Union.
If people realize they are being played, though, they can reach across old lines and reorganize to challenge the leaders who are pulling the strings. This was Lincoln's strategy when he joined together Whigs, Democrats, Free-Soilers, anti-Nebraska voters, and nativists into the new Republican Party to stand against the Slave Power.
Five years before, such a coalition would have been unimaginable. Members of those groups agreed on very little other than that they wanted all Americans to have equal economic opportunity. Once they began to work together to promote a fair economic system, though, they found much common ground. They ended up rededicating the nation to a "government of the people, by the people, and for the people."
Confederate leaders and Lincoln both knew about the political potential of a shock event. As we are in the midst of one, it seems worth noting that Lincoln seemed to have the better idea about how to use it."


so what do you think Trumps end game is?
Fuhrer Trumpf?
Sig Heil?
 
End game? What's the endgame for sharks? IMO people are really overthinking this. Trump hopes to gain personally and he hasn't the psychology to deal with opposition or rejection. He has no grand vision, he's an immature bully and that's bad enough.
 
End game? What's the endgame for sharks? IMO people are really overthinking this. Trump hopes to gain personally and he hasn't the psychology to deal with opposition or rejection. He has no grand vision, he's an immature bully and that's bad enough.
But Bannon and Preibus have an agenda and they are smart enough to pursue it.

Some of us have been waiting for the slip of the hand magic trick that is coming. I don't think it's the SCOTUS pick since that is too visable.

But the speed and chaos happening right now with EO's is exactly the type of environment needed to divide a country so that there is no real majority opposition.

Let's face it, right now we all hate each other so much for what "THEY" are doing. think about it...
 
But Bannon and Preibus have an agenda and they are smart enough to pursue it.

Some of us have been waiting for the slip of the hand magic trick that is coming. I don't think it's the SCOTUS pick since that is too visable.

But the speed and chaos happening right now with EO's is exactly the type of environment needed to divide a country so that there is no real majority opposition.

Let's face it, right now we all hate each other so much for what "THEY" are doing. think about it...

Saw an article which I think has merit. Trump going to pick a Conservative jurist and I don't think he understands what that mean. Trump may expect someone to rubberstamp something even if it is most definitely against the Constitution and in real Conservative ideals (not "republican" ones), a President burning that document just isn't happening. That would be hilarious.
 
Sounds pretty much like a disgruntled snowflake.

I'm concerned with some of the things going on, but as soon as I see someone start talk about tyranny, Hitler or other stupid comparisons I just stop reading because the author is just detached from reality.
 
Maybe the one ole Rudi talked about that was recently signed by the head cheeto himself?

So a ban on people from seven countries that doesn't actually ban 95% of muslims in the world is a muslim ban... how? I don't care what Gulliani says. Explain to me how a policy that doesn't prevent 95% of muslims from entering the US is a "muslim ban".
 
Heather "oughta know better" Richardson mentions "the real goal" multiple times yet not a word on what that is other than "I could take several guesses..."
 
gonna keep posting it until you guys wake the fuck up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...sion-to-do-it-legally/?utm_term=.6b7f38291ea5

This is Trump's muslim ban. Is it effective? That's pretty much besides the point, because that is what this is.

“And what we did was, we focused on, instead of religion, danger — the areas of the world that create danger for us,” Giuliani told Pirro. “Which is a factual basis, not a religious basis. Perfectly legal, perfectly sensible. And that's what the ban is based on. It's not based on religion. It's based on places where there are substantial evidence that people are sending terrorists into our country.”

Anything further?
 
In this case what is not right is also not lawful.

The law matters here. It is unjust but at this moment it is NOT unlawful. When Congress passes a law or the Executive gives an order it is presumed correct and proper. It is the courts who determine what is and what is not lawful. That's important because that procedural framework is what we need to watch. It's similar to the principle that "everyone knew you did it" in a court case but that does not mean you are guilty until that is pronounced.
 
But it's not a Muslim ban because it doesn't apply to all Muslim countries. You guys are acting like just because it impacts heavily Muslim countries and excludes Christians and therefore pretty much only applies to Muslims, that makes it a Muslim ban. What kind of reasoning is that?
 
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