Trump won because of neoliberalism

[SP33Demon]

Jordan (one of the only progressive real journalists) from Young Turks nails it. Trump flipped the rust belt states which swung the election. The Dems need to get back to their principles (NOT neoliberalism) and reclaim the hurting middle class and fight for them if they are going to win 2020. Exit polling showed that Bernie would've beaten Trump.
https://youtu.be/0kw1aQLfbvc

"Donald Trump is not the person who's going to go in and fight for those forgotten people, he's just the person who identified those forgotten people. Cause the folks on the set of Morning Joe on msnbc, they don't recognize those people. The folks on set at CNN? They don't recognize those people. I, before I got this job, had no concept of those people. How would I? I'm a white Jew from Long Island who never had that kind of struggle, if I'm being real. I went across the country, and you could see it within an HOUR. So that's why Donald Trump won. It's not only because Hillary Clinton was a historically bad candidate..."

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Jordan (one of the only progressive real journalists) from Young Turks nails it. Trump flipped the rust belt states which swung the election. The Dems need to get back to their principles (NOT neoliberalism) and reclaim the hurting middle class and fight for them if they are going to win 2020. Exit polling showed that Bernie would've beaten Trump.
https://youtu.be/0kw1aQLfbvc

ok, you think he's a real journalist because you agree with him... shocking, truly shocking.

 

[Kazukian]

ok, you think he's a real journalist because you agree with him... shocking, truly shocking.

You know, doubling down on the behaviors that lost you the Supreme Court for a generation perhaps isn't the best thing to do.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You know, doubling down on the behaviors that lost you the Supreme Court for a generation perhaps isn't the best thing to do.

gosh, you're so right. let's all bow down to king drumpf

 

[GagHalfrunt]

I don't believe people bailed on neo-liberalism, they bailed on a loathsome candidate that didn't inspire anyone in her party. The minorities and young voters who could have swung this abandoned Hilary, not the message.

 

[NostaSeronx]

My opinion; Cognitive dissonance

Essentially, they voted Trump because Trump was in their life more. If you take Hillary Clinton out of the picture and had more active Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, Trump would have still won. Bernie Sanders instead of Hillary Clinton, Trump would still have won.

The issue is the majority is the uneducated sheeple, who can be influenced easily by Snake Oil Salesmen. The uneducated comment is not towards schooling but awareness of tells that they are being lied to.

 

[SP33Demon]

My opinion; Cognitive dissonance

Essentially, they voted Trump because Trump was in their life more. If you take Hillary Clinton out of the picture and had more active Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, Trump would have still won. Bernie Sanders instead of Hillary Clinton, Trump would still have won.

The issue is the majority is the uneducated sheeple, who can be influenced easily by Snake Oil Salesmen.

Wrong, exit polling showed that Bernie would've beaten Trump, like Jordan said in the video.I do agree with your point about Trump being in their life more, he was in the Rust Belt states waaaaaay more than hillary ever was. So they said fuck her.

Trump simply hit an authentic chord with the Rust Belt which flipped states to win him the election. Democrats who truly claim to be progressive better sure as hell not forget about them in 2020 if they want to win, because they're now looking to Trump for help (who will probably fail them but you never know).

 

[Chiropteran]

The media lied, and it was painfully obvious. When all the liars are telling you to vote for one person, the honest voter will be inclined to vote for the alternative choice.

 

[Jaskalas]

gosh, you're so right. let's all bow down to king drumpf

I believe he's simply restating an earlier topic.
very good read on why trump won. not liberal not conservative

Its worth a few minutes...

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

There are simply Middle Americans who need a hope that Clinton did not reach them on.

 

[Kazukian]

gosh, you're so right. let's all bow down to king drumpf

No one needs to bow down to anyone, but doing the same thing that screwed over the election isn't going to work, it's the definition of insanity, do you want 4 years of Trump or 8?

The Democratic Party used to be one of inclusion, and understanding, what you're doing is just flat bullying and smug baiting.

What people are sick of is the collusion, corruption and denial, the BS that gave us idiots like Donna Brazile we don't need more of your BS, grow the fuck up and maybe listen instead of insult.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Wrong, exit polling showed that Bernie would've beaten Trump, like Jordan said in the video.

Trump would have still won.

I do agree with your point about Trump being in their life more, he was in the Rust Belt states waaaaaay more than hillary ever was. So they said fuck her.

Hillary Clinton campaigned the most in fact. What I am saying is that the media focused on Trump and viewers got use to his negativity. His cronyism, his misogynistic/racist views, his total hate for the working class/military serving American, and the disabled, etc. Those were ignored by the media watchers, instead what took the spot light is emails and scandals. That were peripheral to Hillary, but not caused by her or any of her actions.

Trump simply hit an authentic chord with the Rust Belt which flipped states to win him the election. Democrats who truly claim to be progressive better sure as hell not forget about them in 2020 if they want to win, because they're now looking to Trump for help (who will probably fail them but you never know).

Trump sold snake oil and the people gobbled it up. Bernie Sanders would have only won the 18-29 vote, everything else he would have lost.

 

[SP33Demon]

I believe he's simply restating an earlier topic.
very good read on why trump won. not liberal not conservative


There are simply Middle Americans who need a hope that Clinton did not reach them on.

True, but he and Emma actually went out on a tour and confirmed that the article was right and provided more insight into it and how neoliberalism was the catalyst that screwed over these people in the first place. Not to mention the fact that the government did indeed forget about them whereas Trump said they will not be be forgotten anymore and gave them hope. Hope is the most powerful message a candidate can provide.

The clinton campaign thinking these people would be in the bag was a bad assumption. Plus she barely visited them, especially not on the level that Trump did. He was there almost every day leading up the final month before the election.

 

[SP33Demon]

Trump would have still won.Hillary Clinton campaigned the most in fact. What I am saying is that the media focused on Trump and viewers got use to his negativity. His cronyism, his misogynistic/racist views, his total hate for the working class/military serving American, and the disabled, etc. Those were ignored by the media watchers, instead what took the spot light is emails and scandals. That were peripheral to Hillary, but not caused by her or any of her actions.Trump sold snake oil and the people gobbled it up. Bernie Sanders would have only won the 18-29 vote, everything else he would have lost.

The 18-29 and 30-44 voters would've swung the election for Bernie, assuming he held similar percentages in the other age groups.
https://youtu.be/dVpj_hPTz_Y?t=227

Trump's flaws were ignored because the media was exposed to be bought out by the DNC/Hillary. So nobody believed anything the media peddled, true or not. So the DNC made their own bed and lost the publicity advantage they had in previous elections. Also, I don't think any other candidate attacked the media as much as Trump, which was a brilliant maneuver since he had hard evidence to back his claims.

Regarding the emails and scandals, I think they were rightfully scrutinized because they came from a place of truth (wikileaks). Otherwise I don't think they would've gained much traction since only the usual biased sites like infowars/breitbart would've covered them. Instead, we had real progressive journalists covering them like Jordan from TYT and grilling Donna Brazille on them. So wikileaks really hurt clinton and the DNC badly and were an ingredient that helped create the molotov cocktail hurled at Washington.

 

[NostaSeronx]

The 18-29 and 30-44 voters would've swung the election for Bernie, assuming he held similar percentages in the other age groups.
https://youtu.be/dVpj_hPTz_Y?t=227

Doubtful, Trump would still have won regardless. In fact, Bernie basically would have gotten 0 to 10% of the non-college vote. No one would have understood the language of a person that spoke at a >12th grade level. The bern movement would have felt super smug and very elite to poor rural/rustic states. Especially, in comparison to the Hillary Clinton "with her" movement . Which was very much aimed at women who worked in the manufacturing workforce as the majority.

Trump's flaws were ignored because the media was exposed to be bought out by the DNC/Hillary. So nobody believed anything the media peddled, true or not. So the DNC made their own bed and lost the publicity advantage they had in previous elections. Also, I don't think any other candidate attacked the media as much as Trump, which was a brilliant maneuver since he had hard evidence to back his claims.

The media was paid by DNC/Hillary... The same media that constantly covered her emails and scandals. Associating various non-Hillary originating scandals to her. Yeah, sure that works she totally paid off the media. I would largely argue the opposite, Trump is the one who paid the media outlets. The lack of 24/7 coverage of him and his 20+ year long tirade of being a misogynistic, racist, anti-semitic, lying, and cronyism is clear proof. Media loved Trump sure but it was distilled by over-coverage of non-important issues with Hillary Clinton. Instead, flame baited the same old conspiracy theories Roger Ailes and Alex Jones told him to. The viewers gobbled this up like as if it were fact.

Regarding the emails and scandals, I think they were rightfully scrutinized because they came from a place of truth (wikileaks). Otherwise I don't think they would've gained much traction since only the usual biased sites like infowars/breitbart would've covered them. Instead, we had real progressive journalists covering them like Jordan from TYT and grilling Donna Brazille on them. So wikileaks really hurt clinton and the DNC badly and were an ingredient that helped create the molotov cocktail hurled at Washington.

I think the emails only disenfranchised the minority of democrats. Most of all the message of getting Clinton in the office was more important, because it was in the making for 50-ish years. Except, America choose the snake oil salesman with no political backbone. He didn't need to work hard to get an education. He didn't need to study, he was born into his entrepreneur/real estate legacy from his father, which came from his mother, and her husband. To point ever further his re-branding of the Trump name is to this day a FAILURE. He isn't as successful as he claims as he has been receiving economic packages from Russian banks. By far the most successful Kremlin intelligence operation that was never meant to succeed.

 

[WackyDan]

My opinion; Cognitive dissonance

Essentially, they voted Trump because Trump was in their life more. If you take Hillary Clinton out of the picture and had more active Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, Trump would have still won. Bernie Sanders instead of Hillary Clinton, Trump would still have won.

The issue is the majority is the uneducated sheeple, who can be influenced easily by Snake Oil Salesmen. The uneducated comment is not towards schooling but awareness of tells that they are being lied to.

Pretty sure there are a large number of "uneducated" people who vote democrat too. Voters on each side stayed in their little social media bubbles of group think. What we need is more rational thinkers and a media that isn't devoted to injecting opinion in the news, but actually fucking reporting the story, the whole story and reporting based on fact. Next, we need candidates that actually want to run for the betterment of our country. I wasn't a Sanders supporter but he was the only one on any side that came across as genuine in his convictions. He resorted to pandering a bit late in the primary race and that disappointed me greatly. When he fell into lockstep for Hillary I was also disappointing. Sanders had a better chance than Hillary.

 

[WackyDan]

I don't believe people bailed on neo-liberalism, they bailed on a loathsome candidate that didn't inspire anyone in her party. The minorities and young voters who could have swung this abandoned Hilary, not the message.

She lost... Even with the campaigning of her husband, the Obamas, celebrities, the media, debate questions in advance, and power broker democrats supporting her.

1. She was the worse candidate the dems could field overall - Just too much baggage, real or implied.
2. The electorate and specifically the liberals and Progressives began to see her for the flip flopper she is. On LGBT issues, religion, etc.
3. They understand that she supports and represents the same foreign policy that has had our nation meddling in regime change and war for far too long.
4. That the DNC is just as fucked up and corrupt as the RNC.

Everyone wants to fix it... and the answer isn't within the two parties. The electorate, if they could step outside of their little bubbles of comfort and groupthink and actually apply some rational thought will vote more and more 3rd party in the future. Nothing will change other than we keep electing the lessor of what represents the status quo in our country

 

[NostaSeronx]

She lost...

To a joke, spoiler candidate from a dying major party. We humbled him to run, but he was never suppose to win.

The idea was that Trump would have been such an awful candidate he would never win. Except, apparently 50+ million people didn't notice it was a joke.

Instead, what happen was America elected the joke. That is the epitome of negativity. He is literally the negative hole in science. We could not elect a woman, we could not elect a person with 50-ish years of experience, who would have been capable of implementing reforms. America has fallen, welcome to New little Russia.

 

[MrSquished]

Trump won because Hillary had so many negatives. That's it.

 

[Mandres]

What we need is more rational thinkers and a media that isn't devoted to injecting opinion in the news, but actually fucking reporting the story, the whole story and reporting based on fact.

Agreed, but there's no $ in fact-based news reporting or policy discussions. All those boring technical details are of little interest to 75% of the population - they don't understand the terminology and math is hard. Reality isn't entertaining, so they tune in to "news" and "political discussion" that packages simple solutions to very complex problems in bite-sized packaging and then repeat it to death to bring about the desired outcome of their financiers.

And it will never change now, because it works. The Fox news / conservative talk-radio model has been proven sound in victory.

 

[WackyDan]

And it will never change now, because it works. The Fox news / conservative talk-radio model has been proven sound in victory.

You leave out CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC... Fox didn't event the format... They saw a gaping hole where they could spoon feed the conservative demographic that wasn't being catered to on the other networks.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

To a joke, spoiler candidate from a dying major party. We humbled him to run, but he was never suppose to win.

The idea was that Trump would have been such an awful candidate he would never win. Except, apparently 50+ million people didn't notice it was a joke.

The idea was that Trump was such an awful candidate that he would never win. And then the Democrats ran an even worse candidate. So whose fault is it? The joke beat the criminal, the buffoon beat the snake. The people of this country looked at the clown in the spinning bow tie and they looked at the clowns opponent and they picked the clown. Instead of blaming the people who voted for the joke you should maybe pull your head out of your ass long enough to question the wisdom of putting up a candidate that made the voters view the joke as the lesser of two evils.

Stop blaming the voters for noticing that Hilary is a giant pile of shit. We didn't want Trump, we just wanted her even less.

 

[NostaSeronx]

The idea was that Trump was such an awful candidate that he would never win. And then the Democrats ran an even worse candidate. So whose fault is it? The joke beat the criminal, the buffoon beat the snake. The people of this country looked at the clown in the spinning bow tie and they looked at the clowns opponent and they picked the clown. Instead of blaming the people who voted for the joke you should maybe pull your head out of your ass long enough to question the wisdom of putting up a candidate that made the voters view the joke as the lesser of two evils.

Stop blaming the voters for noticing that Hilary is a giant pile of shit. We didn't want Trump, we just wanted her even less.

The voters wanted Hillary Diane Rodham-Clinton('s 60,122,876 votes) rather than Donald John Trump('s 59,821,874 votes). Just because some of the states bought his rhetoric doesn't mean I did or should suffer the mistakes of their white populace. I am educated enough to be aware of that he was a joke candidate. It was always building up that he was going to be a joke candidate. Why do you think the RNC voted him in? Even though mostly the same states that voted for the Bern, voted for the Cruz.

Eating a sandwich kills a persons election, Donald J. Trump ate a Mcdonald's burger. His election should be over.
"I am going to bomb the shit out of them" - Trump, campaign is fine. "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" -McCain, campaign is pretty much over good luck.
A person makes misogynistic/anti-semitic/anti-color comments. Campaign over, no one wants a trumped up entitled Hitler.
The person comes from a dynastic family built upon prostitution, rent extortion, profiteering from government contracts, cronyism/paying off attorney/prosecution, fraud, foreign bailouts. Would normally kill a person's campaign.
Generally, being a smug person: I am more smart than you, believe me. Would of course killed a person's campaign.

So, really you are calling Hillary Rodham a criminal/pos that is part of a evil syndicate. Wow, someone is dissociative with reality. Guess what the electoral college elected the criminal. He is also part of the 1% or maybe 5% Russian-bailed out syndicate of evil (in America).

 

[yoddle]

Yes I agree, Democrates have forgotten it's a party for the working people. Hillary is the wrong candidate for the Democratic party, her smoozing with the rich, benefiting from those relationships. The party needs to be burn down and rebuilt. This loss will do just that. Dem need someone who stands for the core working class values, protects and listen to the working people. Someone like

Sanders will have to step out from the ashes and lead.

 

[kranky]

A number of co-workers flipped to Trump when they saw the TV ad with Clinton saying in public that she supported the 2nd Amendment, then a second recording of her from some paid private appearance saying the Supreme Court is wrong on the 2nd Amendment. It's hunting country and many Pennsylvanians will look at a candidate's stand on firearms as a big factor when choosing whom to vote for. Don't know if that ad ran everywhere but it got a lot of airtime here in PA. It was one more reason people looked at her as someone who would say or do anything to get elected.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Just because some of the states bought his rhetoric doesn't mean I did or should suffer the mistakes of their white populace. .

BZZT! Wrong. That's exactly what it means.

This is a democracy, not a society that cowtows to one whiny fucktard that doesn't understand the electoral system. The race was run, the votes were counted and your snake lost. Nobody is forcing you to live with Trump as your President. You now have the option to either deal with it or leave. It's a big world, if you don't like how the rest of the county voted go live somewhere else.