Discussion TRUMP: We've been waging an all out war on American Democracy!

[Indus]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1731063712637727061

So we finally have the truth!

WE ARE AT WAR!

Better use your 2nd amendment rights while you have em before the Trumpanzees come for you!

 

[woolfe9998]

He said "in," not "on." And I think there's some missing context. But please do not supply a longer video with the missing context. I already spent 9 seconds listening to him speak. IMO in the karmic bargain of the universe, for every second I spend listening to him speak, I expect to get at least 5 back, but sadly that doesn't happen.

 

[pmv]

Sounds like "on" to me. And how does "we've been waging an all out war _in_ American Democracy" make any sense as a sentence? "Waging an all out war _for_ American democracy" would make sense, but not "in".

Granted, I suppose one doesn't expect anything Trump says to make sense, it's probably just his usual free-associating word-salad, but the outcome seems to be he stated the truth by accident.

 

[cytg111]

Yea that sounds like defends, as in “if you look at what they’ve been doing” (one of his favorite degenerated phrases), from the democrats attacks on democracy. Its just more “No you the puppet, you the puppet”. He is deranged.

 

[Perknose]

A Trump dictatorship is increasingly inevitable. We should stop pretending.​

I was going to make yet another thread for this gift article above from WaPo, but decided to put it here instead. It is a sobering look at the fight for democracy we have before us after Trump wins the Republican nomination. I see it as a call to arms.

 

[Stokely]

As said above, don't expect anything he says to actually make sense unless he sticks to a prepared speech.

He's been clear enough though--his 2nd term will be a parade of retribution. If I'm Jack Smith or any number of other people, I'd be getting the family the hell out of here before he takes office. I foresee a lot of Dark Knight Rises type trials ensuing over the next 5 years or so (starting early 2025) if he wins. If that doesn't happen, it won't be for lack of trying. Who will stop him, Mike Johnson and the valiant House? Trump's hand-picked Justice dept after he guts it?

 

[sandorski]

Blood may have to flow to preserve Democracy. If it ends and nothing is done to stop it, then you deserve your fate.

 

[Jaskalas]

A Trump dictatorship is increasingly inevitable. We should stop pretending.​

I was going to make yet another thread for this gift article above from WaPo, but decided to put it here instead. It is a sobering look at the fight for democracy we have before us after Trump wins the Republican nomination. I see it as a call to arms.

Interesting phase. I too paid extra attention to this quote from the article.

Such hopeful speculation has allowed us to drift along passively, conducting business as usual, taking no dramatic action to change course, in the hope and expectation that something will happen. Like people on a riverboat, we have long known there is a waterfall ahead but assume we will somehow find our way to shore before we go over the edge. But now the actions required to get us to shore are looking harder and harder, if not downright impossible.​

It begs the question. What actions? What peaceful options exist?
Next year Americans will vote. And next year Americans will not accept the election results.
The violence that follows is inevitable. A divided people will eventually declare war.

 

[Hans Gruber]

Interesting phase. I too paid extra attention to this quote from the article.

Such hopeful speculation has allowed us to drift along passively, conducting business as usual, taking no dramatic action to change course, in the hope and expectation that something will happen. Like people on a riverboat, we have long known there is a waterfall ahead but assume we will somehow find our way to shore before we go over the edge. But now the actions required to get us to shore are looking harder and harder, if not downright impossible.​

It begs the question. What actions? What peaceful options exist?
Next year Americans will vote. And next year Americans will not accept the election results.
The violence that follows is inevitable. A divided people will eventually declare war.

Get your popcorn, candy and favorite beverage ready. Next year may turn into a three ring circus.

 

[eelw]

Blood may have to flow to preserve Democracy. If it ends and nothing is done to stop it, then you deserve your fate.

Lol Canada may be following suit with conservatives surging in polls. Only thing that may avoid it is if Ford keeps screwing up and Ontario moves back to the liberals for federal election.

 

[Fenixgoon]

A Trump dictatorship is increasingly inevitable. We should stop pretending.​

I was going to make yet another thread for this gift article above from WaPo, but decided to put it here instead. It is a sobering look at the fight for democracy we have before us after Trump wins the Republican nomination. I see it as a call to arms.

i hate this timeline.

 

[Indus]

i hate this timeline.

Your hate isn't going to stop it!

 

[sandorski]

Lol Canada may be following suit with conservatives surging in polls. Only thing that may avoid it is if Ford keeps screwing up and Ontario moves back to the liberals for federal election.

If the US fell, we would eventually.

 

[Vic]

A Trump dictatorship is increasingly inevitable. We should stop pretending.​

I was going to make yet another thread for this gift article above from WaPo, but decided to put it here instead. It is a sobering look at the fight for democracy we have before us after Trump wins the Republican nomination. I see it as a call to arms.

Democrats need to go on the offensive with the fact that almost every aspect of Trump and the GOP's political agenda is wildly unpopular with the majority of Americans.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Democrats need to go on the offensive with the fact that almost every aspect of Trump and the GOP's political agenda is wildly unpopular with the majority of Americans.

Or maybe the democrats could come with a political agenda that would be popular instead of running on we're less shitty than the fascists.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

A Trump dictatorship is increasingly inevitable. We should stop pretending.​

I was going to make yet another thread for this gift article above from WaPo, but decided to put it here instead. It is a sobering look at the fight for democracy we have before us after Trump wins the Republican nomination. I see it as a call to arms.

Very concerned inflation and the lack of the democrats having any candidate anyone likes is going to doom our shithole nation into permanent fascist rule. Thankfully Trump is running an idiotic campaign like Romney's in 2012 by threatening to kill the ACA just like Romney did Medicare, though I wonder if Orange Hitler will change his tune and start hitting Biden from the left on healthcare like he did Clinton with all his lies about health insurance in 2016.

 

[cytg111]

If the US fell, we would eventually.

100%, talking Europe as well.

 

[K1052]

Very concerned inflation and the lack of the democrats having any candidate anyone likes is going to doom our shithole nation into permanent fascist rule. Thankfully Trump is running an idiotic campaign like Romney's in 2012 by threatening to kill the ACA just like Romney did Medicare, though I wonder if Orange Hitler will change his tune and start hitting Biden from the left on healthcare like he did Clinton with all his lies about health insurance in 2016.

Trump mostly learned to stay away from subjects like cuts to Medicare/SS, etc with the exception of Obamacare. Certainly he would dramatically slash all programs we currently have if given the opportunity but is largely smart enough not to say that out loud or will straight up lie. With the ACA its something much more petty as it was Obama's signature program and then later as Trump got fucked over on the repeal by McCain (who still lives rent free in his head 5 years after dying). So I think despite all good sense saying that he should not campaign on an issue that delivered the R party one of the worst midterm defeats in history he's going to keep talking about it.

 

[Perknose]

Trump mostly learned to stay away from subjects like cuts to Medicare/SS, etc with the exception of Obamacare. Certainly he would dramatically slash all programs we currently have if given the opportunity but is largely smart enough not to say that out loud or will straight up lie. With the ACA its something much more petty as it was Obama's signature program and then later as Trump got fucked over on the repeal by McCain (who still lives rent free in his head 5 years after dying). So I think despite all good sense saying that he should not campaign on an issue that delivered the R party one of the worst midterm defeats in history he's going to keep talking about it.

Good sir, I believe you nailed it.

 

[Indus]

Trump mostly learned to stay away from subjects like cuts to Medicare/SS, etc with the exception of Obamacare. Certainly he would dramatically slash all programs we currently have if given the opportunity but is largely smart enough not to say that out loud or will straight up lie. With the ACA its something much more petty as it was Obama's signature program and then later as Trump got fucked over on the repeal by McCain (who still lives rent free in his head 5 years after dying). So I think despite all good sense saying that he should not campaign on an issue that delivered the R party one of the worst midterm defeats in history he's going to keep talking about it.

They can't get Obama and God out of their heads..

 

[pmv]

Lol Canada may be following suit with conservatives surging in polls. Only thing that may avoid it is if Ford keeps screwing up and Ontario moves back to the liberals for federal election.

It's a global phenomenon, surely? Argentina's not only produced it's own version of the type, but they somehow found a guy even more peculiar-looking than Trump.

 

[pmv]

Or maybe the democrats could come with a political agenda that would be popular instead of running on we're less shitty than the fascists.

They're not going to unless they _have_ to. As long as the Republicans continue to be off-the-scale extreme there's no incentive for the Dems to offer anything more positive than a 'return to normalcy'.

I don't think a Trump victory will be an immediate death of democracy. He will push the boundaries and try things on, though, and leave it in a far weaker state than it was - ready for the next shift towards Putinism. Ready for a future leader's political enemies to fall out of the Overton window.

Fortunately, he appears to still be every bit as incompetent and useless at long-term planning as he always was, though.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Or maybe the democrats could come with a political agenda that would be popular instead of running on we're less shitty than the fascists.

Gee, maybe the fascists just might have been preventing democrats from enacting their political agenda?

 

[JTsyo]

Blood may have to flow to preserve Democracy. If it ends and nothing is done to stop it, then you deserve your fate.

One good result about Jan 6 is that many of the organized MAGA are now behind bars. I sure there are plenty of troublemakers left but at least the ones willing to act on Jan 6th have been rounded up.

 

[Indus]

This the future Trump conservaterrorist Republicans want: