Trump wants more nukes

[MooseNSquirrel]

Not exactly the same, but if one person pays $5000 in taxes and receives $50000 in government wages, while another pays $0 in taxes and receives $10000 in government welfare, they're both still net beneficiaries of government, at the expense of private business.
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OK, I giggled. A lot.

So mercenary armies it is. Hi Pax Romana.

 

[Ackmed]

I think it's important to realize that not everybody gets to have a job in this economy, certainly not permanent full time with decent wages, benefits & stability. Some of us are luckier than others.

Govt jobs of all kinds are highly prized in the black community because of decent wages, benefits & stability. Around here, that's true for Latinos, as well.

Living paycheck to paycheck isn't such a bad thing if the paychecks keep coming w/o interruption & there's a decent benefits package along with it. Everybody should be so lucky. They aren't, of course, not in the Job Creator economy.

Smaller Gubmint doesn't mean smaller at all, really. It just means privatization, a bigger cut for the Investor class & less money for the people who do the work.

I don't disagree with anything you've just said. I'd encourage you to read the thread however, and understand what was being talked about. Government jobs were being called 'white welfare'. Making a silly blanket statement such as that is just silly. As if having a job could be the same as someone sitting on welfare. That was the main point, I refuted that with a few basic set of facts.

 

[sportage]

You seem to act as if arming the United States with the best and state of the art nuclear weapons is a bad thing.

OMG. Whether to laugh or cry?
"state of the art" nukes?
How "state of the art" does it take to annihilate 50 million people.
Or does "state of the art" let you pick and chose?
More guns, more nukes, YEE HAW!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcW_Ygs6hm0

 

[pcgeek11]

OMG. Whether to laugh or cry?
"state of the art" nukes?
How "state of the art" does it take to annihilate 50 million people.
Or does "state of the art" let you pick and chose?
More guns, more nukes, YEE HAW!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcW_Ygs6hm0

You obviously have no idea about nuclear warhead delivery systems.

 

[sportage]

Scenario...

We awake @ 5am with sirens blazing. Nation wide.
Trump has done...something.... overnight that pissed off Putin. Any second the bombs will be flying.
And while the nation craps their collective pants, hugs their kids for what may be the very last time, Trump continues to tweet and tweet and tweet pissing off Putin more and more.
Putin, with his finger on the trigger. And Trump refusing to back down.
No negotiation from Donald. No calming down. No coming to ones senses. Only tweet after tweet and fingers coming closer to the red button.
With this scenario, what does one do?

Should someone in the room put a gun to Trump's head?
Take him out?
Take control of the situation?
I'm simply asking....
What exactly would be the protocol when Trump goes off the deep end, goes totally out of him mind?
And the world about to fall victim of complete and total presidential insanity?
I really want to know.
What exactly would be the protocol?
Because this is a "what-if" game we should all stop and really think about.
This is one of those "what-if's" that we need to plan for, or someone in the presidential mix needs to plan for.

 

[pcgeek11]

Nobody is going to send in airplanes with dumb bombs anymore. That is so passe. It would all be land and sea based ballistic missiles each armed with MIRVs. ( MIRV = multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle).

 

[jman19]

Nobody is going to send in airplanes with dumb bombs anymore. That is so passe. It would all be land and sea based ballistic missiles each armed with MIRVs. ( MIRV = multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle).

That's really not quite right. While submarine and silo based weapons are of course important (nuclear triad) using planes with gravity bombs - albeit with some GPS correction ability - is certainly a part of nuclear weapon delivery scenarios for the US and Russia.

In fact delivery systems from planes are currently being enhanced to be higher precision drops allowing lower yield to be used. This has been touted as a "safer" use of nuclear bombs, though some fear making them "safer" also enhances the likelihood they will be used. Using a 50Kt bomb sure sounds a lot less nutty than a 1Mt weapon on paper I guess.

 

[biostud]

https://g.co/kgs/hP7JLY

 

[IronWing]

Nobody is going to send in airplanes with dumb bombs anymore. That is so passe. It would all be land and sea based ballistic missiles each armed with MIRVs. ( MIRV = multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle).

The U.S. backed away from MIRVs for the land based missiles in the 90s. MIRVs are great for nuclear combat toe to toe with the Roosskies but are a handicap when you only want to nuke a single target.

 

[Ventanni]

If we're going to waste money on needless military matters, can we reactivate two of the battleships, too? At least that way we'll get something cool out of it.

 

[IronWing]

If we're going to waste money on needless military matters, can we reactivate two of the battleships, too? At least that way we'll get something cool out of it.

The 80s called, they said they got their defense policy back and couldn't be happier. We could have a 700 ship navy!

 

[VRAMdemon]

Whoa, what's next...He'll probably have these nuclear weapons wired in to launch directly from his Twitter account.

Does anyone even know what prompted this? I mean, with most of his tweets, it's because someone said something about him he doesn't like or something happened that he felt he had to tweet about. Was this just some random thought that transited the space between his ears?

And what was the explanation from Trump's handlers this time about what he really meant?:

"Oh, Trump did not really mean that we should have more nuclear weapons. He really meant that we should cautiously negotiate with all nuclear nations to achieve non-proliferation."

Trump: "My cat's breath smells like cat food"

Spokesperson: "What he really meant was that we must negotiate trade treaties carefully"

 

[sandorski]

Not sure if this was mentioned, but Trump's Tweet came a few hours after Putin called on his Military to expand Russia's Nuclear Capability. It's like the Cold War all over again. This doesn't excuse what Trump is proposing, it's still stupid, but gives some context.

That said, if Russia develops an Anti-Nuke system, Stealth Nukes, or some other Tactical advantage, I think it's necessary for the US to develop similar capabilities to maintain MAD status. It's fucking insane that it appears we are all going to start this shit again.

 

[Pens1566]

And this morning he's saying we'll have an arms race, and win it.

Clinton was right. You can't have someone that is baited by tweets with their finger on the button.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

So let Russia win the arms race while we sing kumbaya? What's the other option to those that are opposed?

 

[dainthomas]

Not sure if this was mentioned, but Trump's Tweet came a few hours after Putin called on his Military to expand Russia's Nuclear Capability. It's like the Cold War all over again. This doesn't excuse what Trump is proposing, it's still stupid, but gives some context.

That said, if Russia develops an Anti-Nuke system, Stealth Nukes, or some other Tactical advantage, I think it's necessary for the US to develop similar capabilities to maintain MAD status. It's fucking insane that it appears we are all going to start this shit again.

Agreed. And we can thank Putin's and Trump's drooling half-wit supporters for cheering them on.

 

[xthetenth]

So let Russia win the arms race while we sing kumbaya? What's the other option to those that are opposed?

Continue to have an entirely sufficient nuclear capability and not blow huge sums on it? That sounds like a pretty solid idea to me.

 

[fskimospy]

So let Russia win the arms race while we sing kumbaya? What's the other option to those that are opposed?

Can you identify to me what goal will be accomplished by adding more nuclear weapons to our arsenal of ~4,500 or so?

The other option would be 'spend hundreds of billions of dollars on literally anything else'.

 

[fskimospy]

By the way as an absolutely wonderful aside, the person that would exert a large degree of influence on this modernization program, Energy Secretary Rick Perry, apparently got a D in 'Meats' class in college on his way to somewhere around a 1.9 GPA.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/61684192/Rick-Perry-s-Texas-A-M-Transcript

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Can you identify to me what goal will be accomplished by adding more nuclear weapons to our arsenal of ~4,500 or so?

The other option would be 'spend hundreds of billions of dollars on literally anything else'.

We have no idea of the technology out there. What if Russia is coming up with tech that could make our nukes useless? We really have zero idea of what they are scheming. If nothing else we should be at minimum saying we are upgrading our nukes even if we aren't.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Continue to have an entirely sufficient nuclear capability and not blow huge sums on it? That sounds like a pretty solid idea to me.

Sufficient to whom? Clearly Russia thinks they can improve theirs. And last I remember they set off the biggest man made nuclear explosion ever.

 

[fskimospy]

We have no idea of the technology out there. What if Russia is coming up with tech that could make our nukes useless? We really have zero idea of what they are scheming. If nothing else we should be at minimum saying we are upgrading our nukes even if we aren't.

So your argument for spending a trillion or more on nukes is that Russia could be developing a magical secret technology that makes our nukes useless? Uhmm, okay.

Quick question: if it's a magical secret technology that we don't know about, how are we supposed to upgrade our nukes to overcome it?

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

So your argument for spending a trillion or more on nukes is that Russia could be developing a magical secret technology that makes our nukes useless? Uhmm, okay.

Quick question: if it's a magical secret technology that we don't know about, how are we supposed to upgrade our nukes to overcome it?

Research? Last I looked that cost quite a bit. And you can have intelligent conversations without sarcasm and insults? Or am I assuming too much?

 

[fskimospy]

Research? Last I looked that cost quite a bit. And you can have intelligent conversations without sarcasm and insults? Or am I assuming too much?

I'm sorry, I just found what you said to be wonderfully insane. You aren't really answering the question though, if we don't know what this secret technology is that the Russians have somehow developed which renders all nuclear weapons impotent how are we supposed to use research to overcome it?

Maybe the Russians have developed a death star laser and we just don't know about it. Should we spend trillions to research anti death star technologies? Can you see how the logic of 'we need to spend tons of money to combat a threat we have no evidence exists' is problematic?

 

[biostud]

And would anyone really be ready to launch a preemptive strike resulting in the annihilation of all mankind?