imported_tajmahal
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In the new Democrat vocabulary jobs= white welfare? So someone that works hard their whole life is really on some kind of welfare?
HamburgerBoy
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Do you consider government jobs to be part of the free market? Nuke building jobs are not sustainable jobs without government bankrolling.
Do you consider working for the federal government the same as someone actually on welfare who is not working and contributing towards taxes? Do you think the only income for the federal government is from tax paying workers? Do you think that the black percentage of federal workers is more than the percentage of blacks in America? Calling someone working for the federal government being on 'white welfare' is not only ignorant, its factually wrong. But hey, not surprised people around here are using the term.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-americans-shutdown_us_560d5808e4b076812700fc05
Pauldun linked the ongoing efforts earlier. Then nuclear arsenal has been upgraded many times & there are plans in the works to continue.
We can, of course, modify those plans if we can get other nuclear weapons states to reduce their own arsenals.
It's a piss poor way to create jobs because there's no product that people can actually use. That's true of military spending in general. We just make stuff, blow it up or bury it in the desert.
There are much, much better ways to create jobs than Reagan style militaristic Keynesianism. We're just throwing away our money.
pauldun170
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Now he's tweeting about the F35 and asking about super hornets.
Someone needs to take his internet away.
Someone needs to take his internet away.
He sounds like a buffoon for sure. He should stop tweeting all together. I had hopes when actually in office he will, but that seems doubtful as he continues.
Congratulations, Repubs. You put a 70 year old man who acts like an impulsive teenager in the Oval Office.
imported_tajmahal
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HamburgerBoy
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Not exactly the same, but if one person pays $5000 in taxes and receives $50000 in government wages, while another pays $0 in taxes and receives $10000 in government welfare, they're both still net beneficiaries of government, at the expense of private business.
No, but how is that relevant? Income, payroll, and corporate taxes make up a large majority of all federal revenue. All of those require private, independently-profitable businesses and individuals to take money from.
I don't really care about the term used, although I have a feeling that blacks employed by government disproportionately fill out positions like social services, whereas defense contractors (e.g. engineering and chemistry) likely have a strong white or Asian bias. I'm fine with an alternative term, let's say "white-collar welfare".
HamburgerBoy
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pcgeek11 gave "Jobs." as a reason to support expanding our nuke reserves. While I'm not anti-nuclear proliferation, I think we already have more than enough to establish MAD.There is no reason to spend billions of dollars and precious sources of fuel on weapons that will likely never be used and which, if used again, will be incredibly destructive and potentially cause the fall of world order. There are necessary roles that government workers fulfill, but increasing employment should never be the reason for its own sake (unless we need another New Deal). If the government is going to give away free money for people to create jobs for economically unsustainable projects, I'd honestly rather see them give it to hippies to promote the arts.
And the person who pays $0 in taxes gets back 8k in a "tax return", that's ok? I don't think you understand the definition of welfare.
Its relevant because one person works, and one person does not work. Calling them both welfare recipients is silly. Also the fact that not all money that pays for government workers comes from the US.
While you may not care what term is used, it matters. It's wrong to call it 'white welfare', factually wrong. Working and not working are not the same. I guarantee I can find you plenty of "blue collar" government jobs.
It's a pretty hilarious stance, especially when you consider this fact;
https://www.dol.gov/_sec/media/reports/blacklaborforce/
Considering government workers the same as someone welfare is pretty silly. Even so if someone took that stance, and called it 'white welfare' facts would disagree. As a higher percentage of blacks work for the government than whites. It would be called 'black welfare'.
This is just getting off topic, no point in going on and on about it to me. It seems 'white welfare' is the new term to be tossed around ignorantly now days. Starting a lot around here. Pretty sad.
Not like that isn't already a thing under Obama.
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/USNuclearModernization
The Obama administration has requested large increases for nuclear weapons programs at the Defense and Energy Departments to sustain and modernize the arsenal.
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Work has no inherent value. You could take a healthy man, have him manually pick cotton with his bare hands 16 hours a day, and it would be grueling, honest work, but pay him according to his economic output and he'll make only pennies. The manual laborer would never make enough money to pay back the benefits he receives from the government. It would also be ridiculously unproductive since you can take a harvester operator and do 10000 times the amount of work in the same amount of time. Then you take something like nuke building, which has only negative social and economic value today, and it's unquestionable that the prospect of doing it in order to create jobs is just a form of welfare, because it only benefits those directly receiving money from the government.
EDIT: M-W's definition of welfare
Government job creation for the sake of job creation is welfare.
EDIT: M-W's definition of welfare
Government job creation for the sake of job creation is welfare.
ivwshane
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What's up hypocrite?!
But when it's his guy, government jobs are all the sudden a-okay!
But when it's his guy, government jobs are all the sudden a-okay!
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imported_tajmahal
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I wasn't the one that made the claim, it was one of our foaming lefties that made it. I'm just the one laughing at it.
pcgeek11
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I think it's important to realize that not everybody gets to have a job in this economy, certainly not permanent full time with decent wages, benefits & stability. Some of us are luckier than others.
Govt jobs of all kinds are highly prized in the black community because of decent wages, benefits & stability. Around here, that's true for Latinos, as well.
Living paycheck to paycheck isn't such a bad thing if the paychecks keep coming w/o interruption & there's a decent benefits package along with it. Everybody should be so lucky. They aren't, of course, not in the Job Creator economy.
Smaller Gubmint doesn't mean smaller at all, really. It just means privatization, a bigger cut for the Investor class & less money for the people who do the work.
pcgeek11
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Wow, really.
The government is bloated. And many of them are overpaid. That quote was about a different subject and wasn't to say that ALL Government jobs are bloated and overpaid.
But then again I understand how your comprehension is clouded with liberal fog.
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Oh you meant only part of government is bloated and only some of the government employees are over paid. How could I miss that detail? Lol sure.
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