Trump University - a fraud according to students

[agent00f]

Do you dispute that Hillary is a huckster?

Hillary Clinton represents the status quo, which implies average by definition. To a degree an average politician is deceptive when it suites their purpose, not unlike a typical person.

This is a different *kind* of unethical behavior than purposely bilking every last dime out of folks who are obviously not fit to make money off those courses. Or taking advantage of racial resentment by scapegoating minorities. Or trying to get a publicly consequential job they have absolutely no qualification for.

Imagine a candidate for firefighter chief who only gets in because he's part of the old boys club who like to hate on them mexicans or whatnot. Except the presidency is a job with much greater repercussion than a burnt building with some people inside.

 

[buckshot24]

Hillary Clinton represents the status quo, which implies average by definition. To a degree an average politician is deceptive when it suites their purpose, not unlike a typical person.

This is a different *kind* of unethical behavior than purposely bilking every last dime out of folks who are obviously not fit to make money off those courses. Or taking advantage of racial resentment by scapegoating minorities. Or trying to get a publicly consequential job they have absolutely no qualification for.

Imagine a candidate for firefighter chief who only gets in because he's part of the old boys club who like to hate on them mexicans or whatnot. Except the presidency is a job with much greater repercussion than a burnt building with some people inside.

Do you like oatmeal raisin cookies the best?

 

[LegendKiller]

Hillary Clinton represents the status quo, which implies average by definition. To a degree an average politician is deceptive when it suites their purpose, not unlike a typical person.

This is a different *kind* of unethical behavior than purposely bilking every last dime out of folks who are obviously not fit to make money off those courses. Or taking advantage of racial resentment by scapegoating minorities. Or trying to get a publicly consequential job they have absolutely no qualification for.

Imagine a candidate for firefighter chief who only gets in because he's part of the old boys club who like to hate on them mexicans or whatnot. Except the presidency is a job with much greater repercussion than a burnt building with some people inside.

So how do you explain Laureate?

$60k/yr for a degree that is worth less than nothing, funded through pell grants and US Gov't student loans. $55mm funneled into it and the founder's pet projects through the State Department while Hillary was the head. Meanwhile Bill collects $16.5mm

So in 16 years they have accumulated 111mm. That means they took in 14mm/yr if you assume 50% taxes.

Imagine a firefighter chief that was paid 100x as much as the average firefighter chief based upon how many fires he put out. Then remove any possibility he'd get caught if he started a fire, you know, because he's the chief and isn't beholden to anybody, criminally or civilly.

How many houses do you think he'd burn down?

 

[LegendKiller]

I mean, really, you guys are worrying about Trump and his school, when Hillary is doing this shit left and right and you don't even bat an eye.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...dation-donor-bought-seat-hillarys-nuclear-wea

 

[agent00f]

So how do you explain Laureate?

$60k/yr for a degree that is worth less than nothing, funded through pell grants and US Gov't student loans. $55mm funneled into it and the founder's pet projects through the State Department while Hillary was the head. Meanwhile Bill collects $16.5mm

So in 16 years they have accumulated 111mm. That means they took in 14mm/yr if you assume 50% taxes.

Imagine a firefighter chief that was paid 100x as much as the average firefighter chief based upon how many fires he put out. Then remove any possibility he'd get caught if he started a fire, you know, because he's the chief and isn't beholden to anybody, criminally or civilly.

How many houses do you think he'd burn down?

From what I can see on their wiki page, B. Clinton was paid $16.5m from 2010-2015 as listed in his tax returns, which doesn't seem out of line for a celebrity endorsement from a company with 4 billion revenue. It appears where-ever you're sourcing from has issues with basic fact-checking.

The first link on google with any actual info on the state dept link: https://www.truthorfiction.com/claims-bill-hillary-clintons-ties-profit-laureate-university/

Next time please consider some rudimentary research before believing anything just because it paints someone you dislike negatively.

Generally any org incl the american gov has problems with the private sector revolving door. Again, this is the status quo, and overall the US tends to be much less corrupt than the typical places run by strongmen.

 

[LegendKiller]

From what I can see on their wiki page, B. Clinton was paid $16.5m from 2010-2015 as listed in his tax returns, which doesn't seem out of line for a celebrity endorsement from a company with 4 billion revenue. It appears where-ever you're sourcing from has issues with basic fact-checking.

The first link on google with any actual info on the state dept link: https://www.truthorfiction.com/claims-bill-hillary-clintons-ties-profit-laureate-university/

Next time please consider some rudimentary research before believing anything just because it paints someone you dislike negatively.

Generally any org incl the american gov has problems with the private sector revolving door. Again, this is the status quo, and overall the US tends to be much less corrupt than the typical places run by strongmen.

There is no issue in fact checking. The grants became larger and larger. He collected $16.5mm and the company was funneled money.

I'd suggest you take a class in rudimentary logic.

He was paid, she was paid, they were paid. Revolving door is far different from being Sec State and having your department funnel money.

but hey, they are less corrupt than say, Brazil, so it's all good.

 

[ivwshane]

There is no issue in fact checking. The grants became larger and larger. He collected $16.5mm and the company was funneled money.

I'd suggest you take a class in rudimentary logic.

He was paid, she was paid, they were paid. Revolving door is far different from being Sec State and having your department funnel money.

but hey, they are less corrupt than say, Brazil, so it's all good.

Do you not understand what bill Clinton's role was and why they would pay him such a large sum? For someone who claims to work in finance you sure don't seem to have a good handle on how investments work. If trump had done the same thing you'd be slobbering on his knob talking about how awesome a business man he is.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

the trolls have almost completely reversed this thread and spun it to be about something other than the topic at hand. well done, well done indeed.

 

[fskimospy]

the trolls have almost completely reversed this thread and spun it to be about something other than the topic at hand. well done, well done indeed.

It is amazing. Trump pretty obviously defrauded thousands of people out of millions of dollars and these idiots want to talk about the definition of Spanish words.

As I said before though that betrays their actual motives. By any normal standard a rational person would see this and abandon trump. Tribalism is strong though.

 

[Victorian Gray]

the trolls have almost completely reversed this thread and spun it to be about something other than the topic at hand. well done, well done indeed.

It's a tuff and dirty job but someone has to do it.

 

[agent00f]

There is no issue in fact checking. The grants became larger and larger. He collected $16.5mm and the company was funneled money.

I'd suggest you take a class in rudimentary logic.

He was paid, she was paid, they were paid. Revolving door is far different from being Sec State and having your department funnel money.

The reality here is that size of the Bush program grew somewhat under Clinton eventually, but that's clearly not what's being claimed.

To clarify, making misleading claims makes the entity saying them less credible, which is the cause of people not taking them seriously. In other words, there's no mystery why die-hard political sycophants aren't taken seriously, and it's not because of them media elitists.

but hey, they are less corrupt than say, Brazil, so it's all good.

To provide some perspective, Trump is a fan of Putin, likely due to camaraderie of fellow strong-arm leaders. If you're not aware, Putin and his buddies are responsible for skimming billions from the russian state. Exactly how much is unknown since there isn't the transparency provided by tax returns typically released by our candidates. Similarly for Berlusconi, another cult of personality among the common denominator with remarkable resemblance to Trump.

To reiterate, this is an entirely different kind/league of corruption than the status quo the Clintons represent. Since you don't seem very good with numbers, billions are one thousand times bigger than millions. You'll have to trust me that 1000x difference is a big number, I've had mathematicians call to tell me how great of a difference that is.

 

[fskimospy]

The reality here is that size of the Bush program grew somewhat under Clinton eventually, but that's clearly not what's being claimed.

To clarify, making misleading claims makes the entity saying them less credible, which is the cause of people not taking them seriously. In other words, there's no mystery why die-hard political sycophants aren't taken seriously, and it's not because of them media elitists.



To provide some perspective, Trump is a fan of Putin, likely due to camaraderie of fellow strong-arm leaders. If you're not aware, Putin and his buddies are responsible for skimming billions from the russian state. Exactly how much is unknown since there isn't the transparency provided by tax returns typically released by our candidates. Similarly for Berlusconi, another cult of personality among the common denominator with remarkable resemblance to Trump.

To reiterate, this is an entirely different kind/league of corruption than the status quo the Clintons represent. Since you don't seem very good with numbers, billions are one thousand times bigger than millions. You'll have to trust me that 1000x difference is a big number, I've had mathematicians call to tell me how great of a difference that is.

He is not super good with numbers, no. There are several threads with proof. Haha.

 

[alien42]

when Republicans make money it's called capitalism, when Democrats make money it's called corruption.

any questions?

 

[buckshot24]

when Republicans make money it's called capitalism, when Democrats make money it's called corruption.

any questions?

There is corruption throughout the government one of the only bipartisan endeavors in DC.

 

[LegendKiller]

The reality here is that size of the Bush program grew somewhat under Clinton eventually, but that's clearly not what's being claimed.

To clarify, making misleading claims makes the entity saying them less credible, which is the cause of people not taking them seriously. In other words, there's no mystery why die-hard political sycophants aren't taken seriously, and it's not because of them media elitists.



To provide some perspective, Trump is a fan of Putin, likely due to camaraderie of fellow strong-arm leaders. If you're not aware, Putin and his buddies are responsible for skimming billions from the russian state. Exactly how much is unknown since there isn't the transparency provided by tax returns typically released by our candidates. Similarly for Berlusconi, another cult of personality among the common denominator with remarkable resemblance to Trump.

To reiterate, this is an entirely different kind/league of corruption than the status quo the Clintons represent. Since you don't seem very good with numbers, billions are one thousand times bigger than millions. You'll have to trust me that 1000x difference is a big number, I've had mathematicians call to tell me how great of a difference that is.

Ohh, so what was the total number provided under bush and then what was the total under clinton. Last I checked 25.5mm is a lot more than the 2009 number of 9m. Could you check that with your famed mathematician?

So let's see. I think 9 is less than 15.1 and might be less than 14.6 but I am almost definite it is less than 25mm. Could you check those please?


Ohh, so as long as it is millions, not billions, it is okay.

And putin? What happened to her great Russian overcharge button. Ohh, a nice fuck up there, eh? She liked putin then.

But hey, Obama loves Castro and the mullahs too. Yeah, liberals hate strongmen.

He is not super good with numbers, no. There are several threads with proof. Haha.

 

[alien42]

There is corruption throughout the government one of the only bipartisan endeavors in DC.

indeed there is, i wouldn't argue there isn't. i would point out that the biggest private corruption of US government, the Koch brothers and their ilk, are buying red and not blue politicians.

 

[jackstar7]

nm

 

[agent00f]

Ohh, so what was the total number provided under bush and then what was the total under clinton. Last I checked 25.5mm is a lot more than the 2009 number of 9m. Could you check that with your famed mathematician?

So let's see. I think 9 is less than 15.1 and might be less than 14.6 but I am almost definite it is less than 25mm. Could you check those please?

Ohh, so as long as it is millions, not billions, it is okay.

And putin? What happened to her great Russian overcharge button. Ohh, a nice fuck up there, eh? She liked putin then.

But hey, Obama loves Castro and the mullahs too. Yeah, liberals hate strongmen.

I'm guessing you have an interest in a sport of some sort. Imagine choosing between two players, one who commits a typical number of fouls, and another prone to committing closer to 1000 times that number of fouls. That doesn't seem like a hard choice to make for minimally reasonable people.

More generally, you appear to have a misimpression of what's going on here. This isn't a situation where you shout at me then I shout at you, and so forth, in a fight where facts don't matter. In the real world, if you believed that 2+2=4000 is close enough, no amount of retorting to your employer or the judge that they're hardly math geniuses matters, for good reason.

 

[MongGrel]

I'm guessing you have an interest in a sport of some sort. Imagine choosing between two players, one who commits a typical number of fouls, and another prone to committing closer to 1000 times that number of fouls. That doesn't seem like a hard choice to make for minimally reasonable people.

More generally, you appear to have a misimpression of what's going on here. This isn't a situation where you shout at me then I shout at you, and so forth, in a fight where facts don't matter. In the real world, if you believed that 2+2=4000 is close enough, no amount of retorting to your employer or the judge that they're hardly math geniuses matters, for good reason.

Impressive response.

 

[LegendKiller]

I'm guessing you have an interest in a sport of some sort. Imagine choosing between two players, one who commits a typical number of fouls, and another prone to committing closer to 1000 times that number of fouls. That doesn't seem like a hard choice to make for minimally reasonable people.

More generally, you appear to have a misimpression of what's going on here. This isn't a situation where you shout at me then I shout at you, and so forth, in a fight where facts don't matter. In the real world, if you believed that 2+2=4000 is close enough, no amount of retorting to your employer or the judge that they're hardly math geniuses matters, for good reason.

I wholeheartedly agree. We just disagree on who has caused more fouls, as well as whether they are flagrant or not. I see abuse of government power to enrich yourself a far greater foul than a commercial disagreement, or even commercial fraud. They are both fraud, but one is commercial fraud. The other is fraud of taxpayers and breach of something akin to fiduciary.

So by your math...

It's not 2+2= 4000

By my math

It's 2+2*(1,999)=4,000

Whereas the other case would be 2+2*(1,000)= 2,002

But hey, judges obviously never take the severity of the crime into account. Just the number of crimes. That's why murder carries the same punishment as shoplifting, right? Further, some just expect their politicians to be corrupt and accept it as mere fact and never want to change it. Some have vested interest. Take you for example. Brand new account here. So either you're an alt account of a banned member, and a lefty at that, or you're one of Hillary's paid Shillarys running around the intarweb trying to make her look better than the corrupt whore she is (she is for sale to the highest bidder after all).

I mean, how many foreign donors has hillary accepted money from? Obviously a few "fell through the cracks" (her words, not mine). Kinda like the one that helped mcaulliffe get his current job.

That's why ttp was the gold standard before it wasn't.

Now tell me again that all fouls are created equal and we should be counting the number and not the severity.

My suggestion, you drop the smug (but admittedly somewhat witty, in a provincial and sophomoric way), math games. They haven't worked out too well for you since you are just a binary type guy, 2 dimensional if you will, because this is the 2nd time you've opened yourself up way too far. Almost like Hillary did with her witty (and sophomoric) "Delete your account". I mean, really, the retort was just too easy.

 

[jackstar7]

LK, can you name 3 good things about Hilary Clinton with regards to her candidacy?

 

[agent00f]

I wholeheartedly agree. We just disagree on who has caused more fouls, as well as whether they are flagrant or not. I see abuse of government power to enrich yourself a far greater foul than a commercial disagreement, or even commercial fraud. They are both fraud, but one is commercial fraud. The other is fraud of taxpayers and breach of something akin to fiduciary.

So by your math...

It's not 2+2= 4000

By my math

It's 2+2*(1,999)=4,000

Whereas the other case would be 2+2*(1,000)= 2,002

But hey, judges obviously never take the severity of the crime into account. Just the number of crimes. That's why murder carries the same punishment as shoplifting, right? Further, some just expect their politicians to be corrupt and accept it as mere fact and never want to change it. Some have vested interest. Take you for example. Brand new account here. So either you're an alt account of a banned member, and a lefty at that, or you're one of Hillary's paid Shillarys running around the intarweb trying to make her look better than the corrupt whore she is (she is for sale to the highest bidder after all).

I mean, how many foreign donors has hillary accepted money from? Obviously a few "fell through the cracks" (her words, not mine). Kinda like the one that helped mcaulliffe get his current job.

That's why ttp was the gold standard before it wasn't.

Now tell me again that all fouls are created equal and we should be counting the number and not the severity.

My suggestion, you drop the smug (but admittedly somewhat witty, in a provincial and sophomoric way), math games. They haven't worked out too well for you since you are just a binary type guy, 2 dimensional if you will, because this is the 2nd time you've opened yourself up way too far. Almost like Hillary did with her witty (and sophomoric) "Delete your account". I mean, really, the retort was just too easy.

The point is that a conversation with someone who can't acknowledge 1000x differences is entirely futile. They have no connection to reality which is necessary to meaningfully process thoughts.

 

[LegendKiller]

The point is that a conversation with someone who can't acknowledge 1000x differences is entirely futile. They have no connection to reality which is necessary to meaningfully process thoughts.

No, the point is that you can't understand relative severity. You think that the size of the amount matters across the board. You fail shillary .

 

[jackstar7]

LK, three positive things?

 

[OverVolt]

They knew what they were buying when they bought it. No regrets.